CynicKill said:

RJOrion said:

CynicKill said: he didnt arrange or compose the music...the band's sound is what made them sound "black"...that was the TK Records house band/session artists that were in place before KC&TSB even formed. that band played on records by Betty Wright, George & Gwen McCrae, Peter Brown, Foxy, etc... all those session musicians playing on hits by those artists, ended up becoming The Sunshine Band...and except for 1 or 2 horn players, they were all black...in performances, KC (harry casey) would stand behind a keyboard and act like he was playing it... as far as "writing songs", 'shake your booty' and 'get down tonight' are elementary school level lyricism, made catchy, and fattened up by some serious Miami funk.. Harry Casey was a fraud as an artist, but he was apparently very intelligent, well connected and opportunistic.

Thanks for the info.

I should've known KC did WAY too much bopping behind that keyboard to be actually playing it.

Session careers, which thrived in the 70's, seems all but dead now.

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Look, I'm not a big fan, but Harry Casey and Richard Finch (the two white guys in the band) composed all of those songs, as well as hits for other artists, including George McCrae (they wrote "Rock Your Baby", and "I Get Lifted") Gwen McCrae (They wrote "Rocking Chair") and even the Crusaders (they wrote 'Chain Reaction").

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and BTW, I agree with those that said AWB is the blackest white band ever.....along with maybe Tower of Power...

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Don't 4get Van Halen

I saw an online quote once that said The Police are just three jazz musicians pretending to be in a rock band.

Or something to that affect.

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CynicKill said:

I saw an online quote once that said The Police are just three jazz musicians pretending to be in a rock band.

Or something to that affect.

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Overall, I'd say thats a pretty fair assessment, as long as it's not meant to be an insult that is.

kygermo said:

CynicKill said:

I saw an online quote once that said The Police are just three jazz musicians pretending to be in a rock band.

Or something to that affect.

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Overall, I'd say thats a pretty fair assessment, as long as it's not meant to be an insult that is.

It was a compliment, though Stewart Copeland, being the contrarian that he is, probably wouldn't see it that way.

CynicKill said:

kygermo said:

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Overall, I'd say thats a pretty fair assessment, as long as it's not meant to be an insult that is.

It was a compliment, though Stewart Copeland, being the contrarian that he is, probably wouldn't see it that way.

Where are you on the argument that Outlandos d'Amour is Punk, at least partially?

Groovy1 said:

CynicKill said:

It was a compliment, though Stewart Copeland, being the contrarian that he is, probably wouldn't see it that way.

Where are you on the argument that Outlandos d'Amour is Punk, at least partially?

They definitely put out punk records.

I think the comment was more directed at their chops then the content of some of their records.

And how those chops infiltrated their songs.

The influence of black music is everywhere if you're looking for it. It seems odd that she singles out Kid A without any mention of what was undoubtedly the single biggest influence on Radiohead’s change of direction with that album, namely the UK electronica scene of the 90s and the stuff coming out of Warp records (Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher). Of course, those artists have a very clear Jazz/Dance/Hip-Hop influence, Windowlicker is as funky as hell. Most of the qualities that she describes were probably already present in much of their work (that radical, introspective, ambient quality). If she’d sat through LP5, she’d know that. She probably should have mentioned Tricky and the whole Trip-Hop thing too. These things always have a nice circularity and cross-pollination to them. James Brown meets Karlheinz Stockhausen with Miles’ “On The Corner” etc. The broken, experimental IDM beats of some of the best modern Hip Hop is another example – Zebra Katz etc.

https://www.youtube.com/w...XZA4KB2pds

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Well said Fen.

Radiohead is the epitome of white music, lol.

Nice try though.

MattyJam said:

Radiohead is the epitome of white music, lol.

Nice try though.

It's sad that people make such statements about 'white' or 'black' music these days. Musicians are influenced by music in general and what they are exposed to or grew up listening to. Prince was exposed to both all types of music growing up so it is easy to hear his influences and it's why he has such mass appeal. I don't doubt that Radiohead is heavily influenced by all types of music, regardless of the color of the people that made it. But hey, if you still want to label and categorize music - go right ahead. That's not what Prince was really about though, in case you did not know.

Abdul said:

MotorBootyAffair said:

Average White Band

Bingo!

First band that came to mind but I think she was smart enough to write "of our time" instead of "ever." The title of the thread wasn't really accurate.

I have to read the article, but I do notice that black artists on the more alternative side of the spectrum (think Frank Ocean) are big fan boys of the band so that's very interesting.

A big difference from when black people had a fondness for Coldplay, totally by-stepping U2, whom is a big influence on them.

I guess U2, though churchy and christiany, were too rock and or folksy.

But Coldplay being THE safest throws off the "blackness" curve a little.

CynicKill said:

I have to read the article, but I do notice that black artists on the more alternative side of the spectrum (think Frank Ocean) are big fan boys of the band so that's very interesting.

A big difference from when black people had a fondness for Coldplay, totally by-stepping U2, whom is a big influence on them.

I guess U2, though churchy and christiany, were too rock and or folksy.

But Coldplay being THE safest throws off the "blackness" curve a little.

besides JayZ, what Black People "have a fondness for Coldplay"?...i personally think their music is trash bin material...none of my friends or family or acquaintances are fans either...who you talkin bout?

RJOrion said:

CynicKill said:

I have to read the article, but I do notice that black artists on the more alternative side of the spectrum (think Frank Ocean) are big fan boys of the band so that's very interesting.

A big difference from when black people had a fondness for Coldplay, totally by-stepping U2, whom is a big influence on them.

I guess U2, though churchy and christiany, were too rock and or folksy.

But Coldplay being THE safest throws off the "blackness" curve a little.

besides JayZ, what Black People "have a fondness for Coldplay"?...i personally think their music is trash bin material...none of my friends or family or acquaintances are fans either...who you talkin bout?

You might be onto something.

I might have mistaken the declarations of a few celebs as the whole of black people.

RJOrion said:

CynicKill said:

I have to read the article, but I do notice that black artists on the more alternative side of the spectrum (think Frank Ocean) are big fan boys of the band so that's very interesting.

A big difference from when black people had a fondness for Coldplay, totally by-stepping U2, whom is a big influence on them.

I guess U2, though churchy and christiany, were too rock and or folksy.

But Coldplay being THE safest throws off the "blackness" curve a little.

besides JayZ, what Black People "have a fondness for Coldplay"?...i personally think their music is trash bin material...none of my friends or family or acquaintances are fans either...who you talkin bout?

That doesn't mean anything, though.

RJOrion said:

Radiohead is as white as trader joes mayonnaise, who are they talking about. The real answer is Paramore

purplepolitician said:

^ "Don't go crying to yo mama"

hailey williams is the truth. her solo album is da bomb

khill95 said:

Radiohead is as white as trader joes mayonnaise, who are they talking about. The real answer is Paramore

I see your Paramore and raise you one Hiatus Kaiyote.

https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/news/musicnews/nai-palm-drake-kendrick-lamar-hiatus-kaiyote-beyonce-jay-z-paak/9949808

Two of my favorite songs on my ipod playlist by Christian Scott:

https://www.youtube.com/w...-9-E0SOfMI

https://www.youtube.com/w...Ijh2oUoU_M

CynicKill said: