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NIN new albums

Sound like his worst yet
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Reply #1 posted 09/03/20 3:12pm

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After Reznor hit the gym and stopped the five-year gaps between records shit was never the same.

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Reply #2 posted 09/04/20 3:42pm

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Wonder if he's done making movie soundtracks yet...

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Reply #3 posted 09/04/20 6:40pm

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S2DG said:

Wonder if he's done making movie soundtracks yet...


Trent's been doing movie soundtracks for a decade. It's clearly a great outlet for him, and he's doing well enough people are asking him to do more.

I'm not necessarily a huge NIN fan, but if some folks don't dig them anymore... why bother to listen?

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 09/04/20 7:49pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

S2DG said:

Wonder if he's done making movie soundtracks yet...


Trent's been doing movie soundtracks for a decade. It's clearly a great outlet for him, and he's doing well enough people are asking him to do more.

I'm not necessarily a huge NIN fan, but if some folks don't dig them anymore... why bother to listen?

People said the samething of Prince, and the answer is the same.

People listen hoping for that relapse of greatness.

They hopethat an artist will have a moment where they fall back into the vibe that made people like them in the first place, even if its just for one song.

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Reply #5 posted 09/05/20 8:34am

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BlaqueKnight said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Trent's been doing movie soundtracks for a decade. It's clearly a great outlet for him, and he's doing well enough people are asking him to do more.

I'm not necessarily a huge NIN fan, but if some folks don't dig them anymore... why bother to listen?

People said the samething of Prince, and the answer is the same.

People listen hoping for that relapse of greatness.

They hopethat an artist will have a moment where they fall back into the vibe that made people like them in the first place, even if its just for one song.


I think this is part of it but the reason I keep listening is that I'm also looking for artistic growth.

I'm a fan of NIN and his body of work speaks for itself but his soundtrack work all sounds the same and is boring.


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Reply #6 posted 09/05/20 10:12am

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BlaqueKnight said:

People said the samething of Prince, and the answer is the same.

People listen hoping for that relapse of greatness.

They hopethat an artist will have a moment where they fall back into the vibe that made people like them in the first place, even if its just for one song.


It's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it? We love our artists, but we also set our own expectations on them. When they don't meet those expectations, we believe they've somehow lessened the quality of output. Yet, to the artist, it is growth. It is something new that they haven't done before.

The last thing Prince wanted to do was make Purple Rain over and over and over and over. Sure ATWIAD followed PR's blueprint, and while they're similar, tracks like "Purple Rain" vs "The Ladder" - well, the latter doesn't stand a chance. So is ATWIAD growth, or a half-assery of his music?

Is Trent Reznor expected to always be remaking The Downward Spiral or Fragile or Pretty Hate Machine? Or should he be trying something new? What's trash to some is growth to others. So for Trent to "fall back into the vibe that made people like" him in the first place - is that really where you want one of your favorites artists to go? Backwards? Some call it a vibe, but to Reznor, it may be the past, a place he's already visited and used.

Prince's closest vibe to Purple Rain was probably The Gold Experience. Rocker opening track, anthemic ending, a duet, a power ballad, a nasty song, it's all there. But some may argue it's not Purple Rain II. (Often times, I do.) No real Prince fan would want that, I would imagine. So how is it okay for NIN fans to keep asking for the same thing again?

In the end, it's all perspective. One man's The Slip is another man's Sign O the Times.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #7 posted 09/05/20 2:42pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

BlaqueKnight said:

People said the samething of Prince, and the answer is the same.

People listen hoping for that relapse of greatness.

They hopethat an artist will have a moment where they fall back into the vibe that made people like them in the first place, even if its just for one song.


It's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it? We love our artists, but we also set our own expectations on them. When they don't meet those expectations, we believe they've somehow lessened the quality of output. Yet, to the artist, it is growth. It is something new that they haven't done before.

The last thing Prince wanted to do was make Purple Rain over and over and over and over. Sure ATWIAD followed PR's blueprint, and while they're similar, tracks like "Purple Rain" vs "The Ladder" - well, the latter doesn't stand a chance. So is ATWIAD growth, or a half-assery of his music?

Is Trent Reznor expected to always be remaking The Downward Spiral or Fragile or Pretty Hate Machine? Or should he be trying something new? What's trash to some is growth to others. So for Trent to "fall back into the vibe that made people like" him in the first place - is that really where you want one of your favorites artists to go? Backwards? Some call it a vibe, but to Reznor, it may be the past, a place he's already visited and used.

Prince's closest vibe to Purple Rain was probably The Gold Experience. Rocker opening track, anthemic ending, a duet, a power ballad, a nasty song, it's all there. But some may argue it's not Purple Rain II. (Often times, I do.) No real Prince fan would want that, I would imagine. So how is it okay for NIN fans to keep asking for the same thing again?

In the end, it's all perspective. One man's The Slip is another man's Sign O the Times.


1. The Ladder >>> Purple Rain

2. What song on TGE is a duet?

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Reply #8 posted 09/05/20 2:55pm

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Trent is in a special rut where he is aware that he's treading the same ground over and over again or he up his own ass doing instrumental work.

I blame it on Atticus Ross.

For anybody that doesn't know, Trent's process is goofing around for a hour or two hours on some instruments, going for a walk while Atticus put the best parts together in a song format then Trent polishing it up into something he likes.

The formula is getting stale. When he does push out of the box, it's imitation of artists he likes.

I'd much prefer more things like Everything or the Hesitation Marks tour where he brought in background singers or Year Zero where he put everything together alone in his hotel room while touring.
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Reply #9 posted 09/05/20 8:12pm

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MattyJam said:

1. The Ladder >>> Purple Rain

2. What song on TGE is a duet?


We March.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #10 posted 09/08/20 1:21am

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TrivialPursuit said:

BlaqueKnight said:

People said the samething of Prince, and the answer is the same.

People listen hoping for that relapse of greatness.

They hopethat an artist will have a moment where they fall back into the vibe that made people like them in the first place, even if its just for one song.


It's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it? We love our artists, but we also set our own expectations on them. When they don't meet those expectations, we believe they've somehow lessened the quality of output. Yet, to the artist, it is growth. It is something new that they haven't done before.

The last thing Prince wanted to do was make Purple Rain over and over and over and over. Sure ATWIAD followed PR's blueprint, and while they're similar, tracks like "Purple Rain" vs "The Ladder" - well, the latter doesn't stand a chance. So is ATWIAD growth, or a half-assery of his music?

Is Trent Reznor expected to always be remaking The Downward Spiral or Fragile or Pretty Hate Machine? Or should he be trying something new? What's trash to some is growth to others. So for Trent to "fall back into the vibe that made people like" him in the first place - is that really where you want one of your favorites artists to go? Backwards? Some call it a vibe, but to Reznor, it may be the past, a place he's already visited and used.

Prince's closest vibe to Purple Rain was probably The Gold Experience. Rocker opening track, anthemic ending, a duet, a power ballad, a nasty song, it's all there. But some may argue it's not Purple Rain II. (Often times, I do.) No real Prince fan would want that, I would imagine. So how is it okay for NIN fans to keep asking for the same thing again?

In the end, it's all perspective. One man's The Slip is another man's Sign O the Times.

I always take an artist for what they are. There are very few artists whose output I pay full attention to. I used to say this on here and get much criticism for it but it still stands with me: An artist can do whatever they want. I like what I like; I don't what I don't. Who you are only gets you a ticket to my ear. What you do is how you keep it. If Prince ain't puttin' out songs I like, I'm not listening to Prince. I'm not "listening until I find the deeper meaning" or stuff like that. I'm moving on. Trent gets the same treatment. If Trent decides that his next body of work will be a series of etudes played on french horns, bagpipes and steel drums, he's welcome to go on that journey; I just won't be going with him.

If he does decide to drop that Pretty Hate Machine 2 - he has my attention. lol

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Reply #11 posted 09/08/20 10:09am

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BlaqueKnight said:

I always take an artist for what they are. There are very few artists whose output I pay full attention to. I used to say this on here and get much criticism for it but it still stands with me: An artist can do whatever they want. I like what I like; I don't what I don't. Who you are only gets you a ticket to my ear. What you do is how you keep it. If Prince ain't puttin' out songs I like, I'm not listening to Prince. I'm not "listening until I find the deeper meaning" or stuff like that. I'm moving on. Trent gets the same treatment. If Trent decides that his next body of work will be a series of etudes played on french horns, bagpipes and steel drums, he's welcome to go on that journey; I just won't be going with him.

If he does decide to drop that Pretty Hate Machine 2 - he has my attention. lol


I totally agree with all this. I'm one of those who is critical of Prince's internet releases during NPGMC. I couldn't care less about The Slaughterhouse and The Chocolate Invasion. I can never hear "Props and Pounds," "The Daisy Chain," "Sex Me, Sex Me Not," etc again, and it's still too soon. I just waited it out until I heard something interesting again. Took a minute, too.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #12 posted 09/09/20 10:38am

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TrivialPursuit said:

BlaqueKnight said:

I always take an artist for what they are. There are very few artists whose output I pay full attention to. I used to say this on here and get much criticism for it but it still stands with me: An artist can do whatever they want. I like what I like; I don't what I don't. Who you are only gets you a ticket to my ear. What you do is how you keep it. If Prince ain't puttin' out songs I like, I'm not listening to Prince. I'm not "listening until I find the deeper meaning" or stuff like that. I'm moving on. Trent gets the same treatment. If Trent decides that his next body of work will be a series of etudes played on french horns, bagpipes and steel drums, he's welcome to go on that journey; I just won't be going with him.

If he does decide to drop that Pretty Hate Machine 2 - he has my attention. lol


I totally agree with all this. I'm one of those who is critical of Prince's internet releases during NPGMC. I couldn't care less about The Slaughterhouse and The Chocolate Invasion. I can never hear "Props and Pounds," "The Daisy Chain," "Sex Me, Sex Me Not," etc again, and it's still too soon. I just waited it out until I heard something interesting again. Took a minute, too.

lol Same.

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