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mikemike13

PM Dawn/Wax Poetics

You can download the in-depth PM Dawn feature from Wax Poetics here. This link expires in 6 days.

https://wetransfer.com/do...807/cc2a9f

Next year, under new ownership but still working with the original founders and editorial team, Wax Poetics is reshaping and relaunching. To keep inspiring generations of music lovers. To keep them discovering music and the stories behind it.

https://www.kickstarter.c...oject_link

[Edited 9/2/20 13:36pm]

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Reply #1 posted 09/02/20 5:18pm

S2DG

Thanks!

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Reply #2 posted 09/02/20 7:03pm

hardwork

Fabulous thanks!

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Reply #3 posted 09/02/20 11:28pm

RJOrion

Wax Poetic is a great magazine... PM Dawn is/was trash
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Reply #4 posted 09/03/20 11:42am

datdude

love Prime Minister Dawn. slept on by many, but lots did/do recognize. he was great at creating moody atmospheric joints with contemplative/spiritual underpinnings. i love when his joints show up in my Spotify shuffle. esp. I'd Die Without You, Paper Doll, On a Clear Day and Downtown Venus.

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Reply #5 posted 09/03/20 1:50pm

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Thanks, I’m a huge PM Dawn fan, it seems not much is known about them post 1995 so this article was a great to read. It would be nice if their catalogue was reassessed and rereleased
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Reply #6 posted 09/04/20 6:28pm

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PM Dawn is far from trash, actually.

They relied a good deal on samples and references, but the way they meshed stuff together, and a lot of their messaging was stellar. There was another released album called Fucked Music that I love, too. Not all their music had samples, of course. I think Jesus Wept is their best record, by far. But it wasn't as popular as the previous sets.

I still love and listen to "Fantasia's Confidential Ghetto," which is a medley of "1999," "Once In A Lifetime," and "Coconut."

I believe some of the stuff they did acted as a precursor to neo-soul later in the 90s. But it was pre-neo-soul with an ethereal and (as noted) atmospheric, moody, thoughtful, yet bright, hopeful and warm.

It's ashamed Prince Be is no longer with us.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #7 posted 09/05/20 5:46am

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TrivialPursuit said:

PM Dawn is far from trash, actually.

They relied a good deal on samples and references, but the way they meshed stuff together, and a lot of their messaging was stellar. There was another released album called Fucked Music that I love, too. Not all their music had samples, of course. I think Jesus Wept is their best record, by far. But it wasn't as popular as the previous sets.

I still love and listen to "Fantasia's Confidential Ghetto," which is a medley of "1999," "Once In A Lifetime," and "Coconut."

I believe some of the stuff they did acted as a precursor to neo-soul later in the 90s. But it was pre-neo-soul with an ethereal and (as noted) atmospheric, moody, thoughtful, yet bright, hopeful and warm.

It's ashamed Prince Be is no longer with us.

Part of the problem is that "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss" is just about the most atypical track on the 1st LP. It's not really indicative of what is lurking within - a futuristic Afro-psychedelic Garden of Eden. Sample-wise "Set Adrift" is close to some shit Puffy would later do - just rather unartistically loop somebody else's shit and get over on that. That THAT blew up and went to #1 pop and made them look like sellouts to some hip-hop people was kind of unfortunate as the rest of the album is NOTHING like that. Some peple judge them by "Set Adrift" and maybe "I'd Die Without You" and really they are missing the entire thing they were doing. Having said that, I see very little to no connection/influence at all between PM Dawn and neo-soul (Erykah Badu, Maxwell, D'Angelo) as the author of the Wax Poetics article asserts. Those neo-soul artists were operating firmly within a very well-established R&B tradition. For example, 1,000s of other cats had done the R&B love man shit that Maxwell was doing. He did it in his own distinct way that many (women) really loved, but it wasn't new. PM Dawn? Nobody was making music like that before 1991. PM Dawn was several rungs higher up the vibratory ladder. I just don't see any connection at all.

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Reply #8 posted 09/08/20 7:40am

Cinny

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"I'd Die Without You" showed they were more than lazy rappers with a sampler.

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Reply #9 posted 09/08/20 8:09am

Cinny

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hardwork said:

Sample-wise "Set Adrift" is close to some shit Puffy would later do - just rather unartistically loop somebody else's shit and get over on that. That THAT blew up and went to #1 pop and made them look like sellouts to some hip-hop people was kind of unfortunate as the rest of the album is NOTHING like that.


That's exactly what happened but it was sort of genius that their debut single got everyone's ears.

Prince Be was a heavyweight in the record collecting world too. I have heard stories from hip hop's elite: Pete Rock, Large Professor, Q-Tip, Diamond D, Lord Finesse, Kid Capri. They all have a story where they arrive very early to a record trading sale and they are trying to hollar at some vinyl, but the dealer refuses saying he is holding them for Prince Be. lol This dude could reserve a whole table of pricey records.

One interesting Prince sample to note was P.M. Dawn sampling "Cindy C" from The Black Album on their 1991 album, but we all know that shit was a bootleg until 1994.
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Reply #10 posted 09/09/20 7:15am

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mikemike13 said:

You can download the in-depth PM Dawn feature from Wax Poetics here. This link expires in 6 days.

https://wetransfer.com/do...807/cc2a9f

Next year, under new ownership but still working with the original founders and editorial team, Wax Poetics is reshaping and relaunching. To keep inspiring generations of music lovers. To keep them discovering music and the stories behind it.

https://www.kickstarter.c...oject_link

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Can you re-up the link? P.M. Dawn are one of my favorite groups!

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