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Reply #30 posted 08/16/20 1:15am

EmmaMcG

PatrickS77 said:

"EmmaMcG said:


Once again you think you know what I mean when I talk about MJ looking ill and once again you are completely and utterly wrong. And once again I will tell you that I was NOT referencing his death in any way. Read the words I write, not your own interpretation of them. I've been very clear on what I mean. The reason I bring up his unhealthy appearance is not because he died shortly afterwards. The reason I bring it up is because he looks tired, gaunt, too thin and lacking energy. You can put it down to it just being a rehearsal but I've taken part in enough of those kinds of rehearsals to know that what he was doing was just going through the motions. It didn't look to me like his heart was in it. That's not the kind of legacy he deserves."

Once more. Your interpretation on what he looked like or what you think he was supposed to look or appear like instead. To some people he looked ill, ever since he didn’t appear black anymore. To other people he looked ill, because he was thin. So, whatever. And really, who cares what rehearsals you have been in? You haven’t been in Michael Jackson rehearsals and whatever you’ve been in has nothing to do with him. So that’s irrelevant. And as far as I know, dance rehearsals are there to get through the motions, to get the shit right (at least for anyone who isn't Michael). The elevation of going beyond through the motions comes, when he performs in front of 15.000 screaming fans.



"Also, and this is another example of you not actually reading what I'm writing and instead attributing your own meaning to it, but I didn't say that no thought went into the This Is It shows. Read it again and you'll see I'm referring to the actual documentary itself. And if you can't see what I'm getting at with my criticism of it then I'd put that down to your lack of understanding of how these kinds of docs SHOULD be edited. But needless to say, editing together different clips of the same song during the one "performance" is not how to do it. Look, I know you're clearly a superfan so there's simply no getting through to you. Let's just agree to disagree and move on, yeah?"

Yeah. And if you read it again, you will see that I responded to both the documentary and the actual show, as it was not quite clear what you meant and wanted to cover both bases, just in case. Take whatever of that applies to you. And yes, editing together different clips is exactly what you do, when you either don’t have full songs or want to show that he actually was at rehearsals more than once. Also if you want to loosen things up, show different angles, want to make it less monotonous and want to show that it was a work in progress. And with him wearing different clothes for different rehearsals also no one can accuse the director of cheating, as it is obvious that different rehearsals were cut together. What you state is your preference, but there is no rule on what is right and what is wrong. But what I’m talking to you? You’re one who claimed to really enjoy the latest Star Wars movie, so you clearly talk but have no clue what you’re talking about (as the movie was a crap movie and a crap Star Wars movie). So on that basis alone, I can’t even take you serious. And yes, I feel bad for remembering that, but some people become memorable for the dumb shit they post. wink




It's been a while since I saw "This is it". I wanted to watch it last year at the anniversary of it's release, but didn't get around doing it. I wanted to watch it this year for the anniversary and also didn't get around doing it. 2 days ago, I finally watched it again (actually the whole BR) and I loved it every bit as I loved it then (minus the releasing strategy of Sony, who split bonus materials up on various formats, still hate them for doing that). They did the perfectly right thing in having Michael be front and center for the feature and have the talking heads shut up for the most part, as it isn't about them, but Michael. He is the star and we are only here for him. They got plenty of room to talk in the accompanying bonus footage on the BR, which perfectly rounds out the documentary. I love how it is not a glossy HD Hollywood production, but also incorporates lesser SD footage, different angles, different occasions and thus just emphasizes that lots of the footage was never meant to be in a documentary, but absolutely needed to be there in light of what happened and that fact that the show will never be. I'm just glad, that the opinions of some are insignificant and means jack shit and that the people who actually had a say in what was going to happen, could see the big picture and didn't care about what some small minded people would think. They made the absolutely right decision in showing that footage, HD or SD and let it mostly speak for itself and let Michael be the center. That documentary and accompaniyng bonus footage is exactly how it should be.



And anybody saying that Michael looked not well, not there, that he wasn't enjoying it and his heart wasn't in it, just needs to open their fucking eyes and objectively watch the fucking material again.





Yeah, I'm not going to bother reading all that but like I said, let's agree to disagree and move on.
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Reply #31 posted 08/16/20 9:23am

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EmmaMcG said:

Yeah, I'm not going to bother reading all that but like I said, let's agree to disagree and move on.


Same.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #32 posted 08/16/20 9:41am

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Good. As both of your opinions are shit. This is it, the feature is great the way it is. No one went to the cinema to hear people talk about Michael. They wanted to see Michael.
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Reply #33 posted 08/16/20 12:29pm

EmmaMcG

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Good. As both of your opinions are shit. This is it, the feature is great the way it is. No one went to the cinema to hear people talk about Michael. They wanted to see Michael.


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Reply #34 posted 08/16/20 1:55pm

alphastreet

One time I jokingly called it This Is Shit lol
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Reply #35 posted 08/22/20 10:08pm

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One time I jokingly called it This Is Shit lol

I like that!
Thought I would add that there is a new documentary coming on Bounce TV September 7 called "Killing Michael Jackson". The trailer looks like it will be good but I'm sure it's nothing new.
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Reply #36 posted 08/23/20 10:21am

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Phase3 said:

alphastreet said:

One time I jokingly called it This Is Shit lol

I like that!
Thought I would add that there is a new documentary coming on Bounce TV September 7 called "Killing Michael Jackson". The trailer looks like it will be good but I'm sure it's nothing new.
[Edited 8/22/20 22:08pm]


Man, that title is so depressing
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Reply #37 posted 08/23/20 12:59pm

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alphastreet said:

Phase3 said:
I like that! Thought I would add that there is a new documentary coming on Bounce TV September 7 called "Killing Michael Jackson". The trailer looks like it will be good but I'm sure it's nothing new. [Edited 8/22/20 22:08pm]
Man, that title is so depressing

That's a horrible and insensitive title, what were they thinking?

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Reply #38 posted 08/23/20 1:43pm

alphastreet

slyjackson said:



alphastreet said:


Phase3 said:
I like that! Thought I would add that there is a new documentary coming on Bounce TV September 7 called "Killing Michael Jackson". The trailer looks like it will be good but I'm sure it's nothing new. [Edited 8/22/20 22:08pm]

Man, that title is so depressing

That's a horrible and insensitive title, what were they thinking?



I agree it’s tacky
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Reply #39 posted 08/23/20 5:01pm

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Doalwa said:

I've watched it once 11 years ago and have never looked at it since...in my opinion, MJ probably wouldnt have wanted this footage to get out...he was a perfectionist and rehearsels were simply that...rehearsels, not meant for public consumption.

But I disagree when people say that he looked off, he was thin, true...but then again, he was probably getting in shape for the show and he was never a big man.

And his vocals on Human Nature were out of this world, dude still had it in him..but I can't help but think that his heart wasn't really in it, he probably only wanted a final paycheck and spent his time raising his children...dude was rocking it since being a little kid after all..had nothing left to prove.

Sadly he was robbed this opportunity.

I still havent seen "Leaving Neverland".It slipped my radar somehow.Do you recommend that I see it?


If you are already convinced of MJ's guilt, you may find it interesting. If you are on the fence and want more info, don't waste your time. There's no evidence or proof, it's just two men telling a story without any real evidence to back any of it up, and no mention of the lawsuits, or anything else that may question the validity of the narrative. According to Reed, it's a story of survivors. If you are looking for it to find out what to believe, it's not really a documentary.

I'm not saying who to believe or saying MJ was guilty or innocent. But the director just said "I believe the men" and then did a documentary as if it's been proven MJ was guilty.

As for This Is It, I enjoyed it. I thought it was done well, given what it was. He was pretty thin, but he was 50 and was always thin... the HIStory tour he looked his healthiest, but we also hear he supposedly wasn't well then either. Who knows, but even if he was healthy as a bear before hibernation, being injected with propofol will kill you eventually.

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Reply #40 posted 08/26/20 7:07pm

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When I saw it I wanted to know if the music was over=dubbed like SOTT?

esp since they woudl splice different performances together but the music was seemless.

and it sounded too good for "live".

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Reply #41 posted 08/27/20 7:52am

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alphastreet said:

slyjackson said:

That's a horrible and insensitive title, what were they thinking?

I agree it’s tacky

Won't be watching that. hmph!

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #42 posted 08/29/20 1:06am

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Superstition said:

Phase3 said:

Doalwa said: I still havent seen "Leaving Neverland".It slipped my radar somehow.Do you recommend that I see it?


If you are already convinced of MJ's guilt, you may find it interesting. If you are on the fence and want more info, don't waste your time. There's no evidence or proof, it's just two men telling a story without any real evidence to back any of it up, and no mention of the lawsuits, or anything else that may question the validity of the narrative. According to Reed, it's a story of survivors. If you are looking for it to find out what to believe, it's not really a documentary.

I'm not saying who to believe or saying MJ was guilty or innocent. But the director just said "I believe the men" and then did a documentary as if it's been proven MJ was guilty.

As for This Is It, I enjoyed it. I thought it was done well, given what it was. He was pretty thin, but he was 50 and was always thin... the HIStory tour he looked his healthiest, but we also hear he supposedly wasn't well then either. Who knows, but even if he was healthy as a bear before hibernation, being injected with propofol will kill you eventually.

[Edited 8/23/20 17:03pm]

I've not watched LN for that very reason... heard enough second-hand reports from people I trust saying as you've said here, and I'm not keen on giving ratings to something that's been made that cynically, TBH.

On TII... haven't watched it for some years now, since it was on British TV at some point (2011? 2012?), but I kinda liked it, including the (necessarily) slightly 'rough and ready' nature of it. Probably a good example of a three-stars-out-of-five film, all things considered.

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