TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh ok, were there CONTROL outtakes?


I'm always interested in music connected with an album project

Surely there were, but I've never heard of anything. It'd be amazing to find that out.

I would love for her to remaster her albums with outtakes. But, I'm not sure Janet is really into doing that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

musicman said:

I would love for her to remaster her albums with outtakes. But, I'm not sure Janet is really into doing that.

It's not that she's not into it. It's about money. Who's going to fund it, campaign it, manufacture it, etc. It takes time and cashola to accomplish that.

Control is so crisp and loud (as noted in the thread), but it could benefit from a clean up a bit. Some tweaking here and there. Same with janet. The Velvet Rope is so dark and textured, but I can sense some clarity waiting to happen on that here and there.

TrivialPursuit said:

musicman said:

I would love for her to remaster her albums with outtakes. But, I'm not sure Janet is really into doing that.

It's not that she's not into it. It's about money. Who's going to fund it, campaign it, manufacture it, etc. It takes time and cashola to accomplish that.

Control is so crisp and loud (as noted in the thread), but it could benefit from a clean up a bit. Some tweaking here and there. Same with janet. The Velvet Rope is so dark and textured, but I can sense some clarity waiting to happen on that here and there.

True. I would like the bonus tracks.

musicman said:

TrivialPursuit said:

It's not that she's not into it. It's about money. Who's going to fund it, campaign it, manufacture it, etc. It takes time and cashola to accomplish that.

Control is so crisp and loud (as noted in the thread), but it could benefit from a clean up a bit. Some tweaking here and there. Same with janet. The Velvet Rope is so dark and textured, but I can sense some clarity waiting to happen on that here and there.

True. I would like the bonus tracks.

God yes, or any early versions. Although, I sorta feel like they wrote the songs as they worked. Maybe they didn't demo them too much. It was a very specific project for everyone involved. But yeah, the outtakes, those great 12" singles, all remastered on two fat ass disks, extra pics, some commentary by Jam & Lewis, and John McClain..

Jam & Lewis recorded the album "in the red" in error, so Control can't get any louder.

If you want more stuff from the album, there are the remixes, "Start A New" a non-Flyte Tyme 1985 Japanese only track that does not fit the album, and a different mix of "Funny How Time Flies" with a dude talking to her, instead of what sounds like one side of a phone call they released.

"Control" made me take notice of Miss Jackson. I wore that LP out in '86.

uPtoWnNY said:

"Control" made me take notice of Miss Jackson. I wore that LP out in '86.

I felt like in some way I was getting a protege of a protege album, and was really peaked by it

Hell the whole Time band except for Morris were involved someway I believe.

Plus the rumor that Prince would be involved had me looking and waiting and watching

Here's a good find....a stem of Funny How Time Flies with additional vocals and banter back and forth with a male voice who sounds a lot like Terry. (or maybe Jimmy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuAvJIXIMWQ

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/control-2-183710/

Album Reviews April 24, 1986 5:00AM ET

Control

By Rob Hoerburger

On their latest albums, two members of pop music's first family move in markedly different directions. While Jermaine regresses toward unmitigated sap, Janet steps out and boldly states that she's not the Jacksons' baby sister anymore.
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As usual, Jermaine's is a case of wasted potential. The general consensus was that once he broke free of Motown, he would undergo some kind of creative metamorphosis and develop the writing and producing chops hinted at on isolated singles. Though he's still got the voice for credible funk or meaty ballads, neither is supplied by his songwriting or Michael Omartian's programmed production. The dance cuts have a format-friendly, artificial sheen, layered by obligatory Arthur Baker-like breaks that would have sounded fresh two years ago. The occasional bite in Jermaine's voice is hardly enough to penetrate the slush.
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Jermaine's preference has shifted anyway, to maudlin ballads that point him more toward Johnny Mathis than Stevie Wonder. The most tolerable of these, "If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful," was written by Elliot Willensky, who also penned one of brother Michael's prepubescent pinnacles, "Got to Be There." The appeal of the song is not Jermaine's sobbing but the dulcet tones of Whitney Houston, whose presence assures the song plenty of radio time. It now seems unlikely that Jermaine will ever rise to the level of Prince, Michael and Stevie. Hit or no hit, Precious Moments leaves him stranded in double-A ball.

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On the other hand, Janet's Control is already a hit, but she sounds more concerned with identity than with playlists. For an entire side, she and ex-Time-members-turned-producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis dispel the pop-ingénue image of her first two albums with some sharp-tongued, post-1999 metallic funk. On cuts such as "Nasty" and the single "What Have You Done for Me Lately," Janet makes the message clear: She's still basically a nice girl but ready to kick some butt if you try to put her on a pedestal.
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Janet lightens up a bit on side two, reverting to more conventional teen concerns ("He Doesn't Know I'm Alive"). The production becomes a bit less dense, and the songs expose her still-ripening voice a little more. But she's clearly ready for graduation. Control is a better album than Diana Ross has made in five years and puts Janet in a position similar to the young Donna Summer's — unwilling to accept novelty status and taking her own steps to rise above it.

I always considered this another Time record. I loved this album back in the day, but honestly this one hasn't aged well for me. The only Janet album I still listen to every once in a while is the 3rd one.

Poplife88 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Poplife88 said:

I always considered this another Time record. I loved this album back in the day, but honestly this one hasn't aged well for me. The only Janet album I still listen to every once in a while is the 3rd one.

Control IS the 3rd Janet album.

Oops...yes you are right...I mean the 3rd JJ/TL album...the one with Thats the Way Love Goes. Not the biggest fan of Janet Jackson obviously.

oslobro said:

Here's a good find....a stem of Funny How Time Flies with additional vocals and banter back and forth with a male voice who sounds a lot like Terry. (or maybe Jimmy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuAvJIXIMWQ

That's the one. It's actually cooler the way they released it from only the female perspective.

This album needs the deluxe treatment.

IAdoreWeronika said:

This album needs the deluxe treatment.

There's nothing to add to it! Can't get any louder, no outtakes, all the remixes have been recently reissued.

Cinny said:

IAdoreWeronika said:

This album needs the deluxe treatment.

There's nothing to add to it! Can't get any louder, no outtakes, all the remixes have been recently reissued.

Shame, did not know there was no outtakes.

I was thinking about the song Control and Janet's life. Privacy is my middle name my last name is Control...

Do you think she had success Controlling her Privacy? Or did her need to control Privacy Control her?

http://janetjackson.com.br/en/2019/01/14/retro-ensaio-de-janet-com-paula-abdul-cai-na-internet/

's no secret that Janet Jackson's Control Era (1986 - 1988) was partly choreographed by Paula Abdul. Some of Janet's most iconic moves such as "What Have You Done For Me Lately" and "Nasty", were born from the partnership between the two artists.

There are several pictures and some videos from that time, including rehearsals and behind the scenes footage. But this week, an unpublished video showing "What Have You Done For Me Lately" rehearsal leaked! Watch this gem on our Facebook page.

Gimme a beat!

Sittin' in the movie show
Thinkin' nasty thoughts
Better be a gentleman
Or you'll turn me off
That's right, lemme tell it

Nasty, nasty boys, don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys
Nasty, nasty boys, don't ever change
Oh you nasty boys

I don't like no nasty girl
I don't like nasty food
The only nasty thing I like
Is a nasty groove
Will this one do?
Uh huh, I know... say...

Nasty, nasty boys, gimme a nasty groove
Nasty, nasty boys, lemme see your nasty body move

I could learn to like this, listen up...

I'm not a prude, I just want some respect
So close the door if you want me to respond
Cause privacy is my middle name
My last name is control
No, my first name ain't baby,
It's Janet... Ms. Jackson if you're nasty

Nasty boys don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty...

Nasty boys don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys don't mean a thing to me
Nasty... don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys
(I like this part)

Hey! Who's that thinkin' nasty thoughts? Nasty boys!
Who's that in that nasty car? Nasty boys!
Who's that eatin' that nasty fruit? Nasty boys!
Who's jammin' to my nasty groove? Nasty boys!

Ladies? Nasty boys don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys

I remember attending a industry event that Janet(whom I worked with) did for the promotion of this 'Control" album it hadn't really hit yet. James Debarge showed up unannounced & acted a COMPLETE FOOL! He had to be taken away by police. He was just crying and begging to see her. It was so sad. What a striking contrast to the first time I saw them together when no one knew they were dating or even married.

[Edited 7/5/20 20:42pm]

alphastreet said:

This is a story about control....birth control

Cinny said:

alphastreet said:

Cinny said:

Control of getting laid, control of who I do