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Thread started 04/10/20 12:47pm

StrfishNcoffee
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Were Rob and Fab of Milli Vanilli victims of the music industry?

Milli Vanilli were an R&B duo from the 80s. They were huge, they had hits like Girl You Know It's True, Girl I'm Gonna Miss You, and Blame it on the Rain. Then, it turned out that they never sang on their record! The media tore them apart and they were humiliated by the public. One of them ended up committing suicide. I never knew that their producer was the one behind Boney M, he had one of those singers lip-sync to his voice! Was anyone here around when they got busted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThlR_utkJw

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Reply #1 posted 04/10/20 4:00pm

noobman

I was around, but didn't know the whole story.

That producer really ruined their lives.

Milli Vanilli got all the blame, but the whole scam required a bunch of people working together... the real singers, the producer, who knows who else...

I can imagine being in their shoes... in a new world asking them to take part in this scam... wondering "is this part of the business"...

Later on I learned the Beach Boys didn't play on "Pet Sounds"... the music business is a strange game...

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Reply #2 posted 04/10/20 4:20pm

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Someone posted a link here 3 years ago explaining the whole story. It seemed to me they were used and exploited.
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Reply #3 posted 04/10/20 7:48pm

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Milli Vanilli: The Biggest Hoax In Music History


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Reply #4 posted 04/10/20 10:59pm

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I never understood why people were so hard on them. There were other groups that didnt sing on their records and sureky much more to come in the 90s.
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Reply #5 posted 04/11/20 12:25am

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nextedition said:

I never understood why people were so hard on them. There were other groups that didnt sing on their records and sureky much more to come in the 90s.


And people weren't nearly as hard on people like C+C Music Factory, etc using Martha Wash's voice (when she was often told she was recording a demo or a guide vocal), then using some model in the video. Wash went thru hell to get credit and get paid. But people still balk at Rob & Fab. Black Box was sued by Wash and the late Loletta Ho

Go back further, and David Cole from C+C gave a song to the group Seduction (You're My One And Only True Love) with Martha's vocals on it (as a demo) and put Seduction in as the background. He altered her a voice a bit so it was unrecognizable (read: side step paying for her talent). It was a huge hit, and she sued. They reached an out of court settlement.

Cole pulled the same shit again with C+C.

Remember, Seduction, Black Box, and C+C were all within a year or two's time. Cole just used Wash like a fucking vocal vending machine. No one said that much about it. But everyone will drag Rob & Fab out as the proverbial whipping boys.

Even Sheryl Crow says she sang on a lot of people's music that you'd know.

Just when U think U've got more than enough, that's when it all up and flies away.
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Reply #6 posted 04/11/20 12:02pm

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The whole Milli Vanilli "project" was just sleazy. It wasn't just that session vocalists sang on the records, it wasn't just that the instrumentals for their songs were jacked from two year old club mixes, it wasn't just that the dudes who Frank Farrian (the producer) picked to be models couldn't speak English and were just general fuckups, it was everything.

Their undoing was when Farrian submitted the album to the Grammys and they won Best New Artist. People had whispered about all the weird inconsistancies and the fact they couldn't speak English well before, but when they won the Grammy it was just patently clear that it was all a fraud. I remember In Living Color were trashing them every night.

Fab Morvan did a really great interview with DJ Vlad on YouTube a few years ago - I really reccomend checking it out, it's long, but it's pretty much the definitive history of Milli Vanilli.

https://www.youtube.com/w...qmO9VE0PuY

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Reply #7 posted 04/11/20 1:41pm

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This makes me smile!

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Reply #8 posted 04/11/20 2:33pm

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They did get used up but they were probably not the first or last. I didn't get into them but It did not surprise me at all. I was kinda amused st first. Someone in an earlier post mentions C&C Music Factory and Black Box two different groups using Martha Wash' s vocals. Imo that's even more tacky than the Milli Vanilli scandal. C&C and Black Box had absolutely no shame.

Side Note Martha is an amazing vocalist. Incredibly underrated.
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Reply #9 posted 04/11/20 3:41pm

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And we can't forget Technotroic using model Felly Kilingi as the face of the group and lip-synching to Ya Kid K's vocal for the Pump Up The Jam album.

There was a lot of that going on in this time period. And yes, Rob and Fab took all the blame. And We can't forget about Arista and Clive Davis, who to this day claims he had no idea Rob & Fab weren't really singing.

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Reply #10 posted 04/12/20 8:19am

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StrfishNcoffee03 said:

Milli Vanilli were an R&B duo from the 80s. They were huge, they had hits like Girl You Know It's True, Girl I'm Gonna Miss You, and Blame it on the Rain. Then, it turned out that they never sang on their record! The media tore them apart and they were humiliated by the public. One of them ended up committing suicide. I never knew that their producer was the one behind Boney M, he had one of those singers lip-sync to his voice! Was anyone here around when they got busted?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zThlR_utkJw



I was around and I knew and no. No one forced them to go along. But they willingly did and basked in the fame and fortune and then couldn't handle it when it blew up in their face. I don't feel bad for them. If you're willing to scam people, be prepared that it comes out.
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Reply #11 posted 04/12/20 11:29am

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Even the group real McCoy lip sync her everything and it came out after their second album, but didn’t blow up like with Milli vanilli
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Reply #12 posted 04/13/20 5:25am

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That time period had a lot of this, I compare it too the steroid era in baseball, mainly the Barry Bonds Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa times, everyone knew what was going on and turned the other way then let the guys take the bullets. Clive Davis knew about Milli Vanilli and looked the other way, also the guy that put together Milli already used this whole scam with Boney M years before. It was making millions and that was all that the labels cared about, I mean labels don't care if their artists are criminals why would they care if they actually are singing.


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Reply #13 posted 04/14/20 1:29pm

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Yes, blame it on the rain.

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Reply #14 posted 04/14/20 6:30pm

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Back then the song Girl You Know It´s True had already been released by a short-lived group called Numarx on a very obscure dance music label called ZYX Music.

It wasn´t a big success but Frank Farian liked the song and released a cover version with Milli Vanilli, or rather the session musicians, and that´s when it became a huge hit .

One of the Numarx members was later involved with Def Jam Records.

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Reply #15 posted 04/14/20 7:19pm

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alphastreet said:

Even the group real McCoy lip sync her everything and it came out after their second album, but didn’t blow up like with Milli vanilli

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Now that is ironic - “real mccoy” lol
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Reply #16 posted 04/14/20 7:22pm

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I agree that they knew what they were doing, I can feel empathy for the backlash but no sympathy for their experiences of it. This dodgy stuff was endemic at the time in commercial music and SOMEONE had to pay the piper for the lies, fraudulent behavior and general frontin' of this industry - and like anyone caught with their hand in the cookie jar, Milli Villainy were quick to play victim when they realised the well was drying up, so they did deserve it to some degree. And don't try to tell me otherwise because girl you know it's, girl you know it's, girl you know it's

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