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Reply #30 posted 01/28/20 11:29am

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She broke Christopher Cross's record which stood for I think 39 years. That might not be a good thing. I love Christopher Cross but he never really went anywhere after that besides the theme to Arthur.
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Reply #31 posted 01/28/20 11:52am

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And Black Panther deserved it, unlike Endgame which is a fun time but not awardworthy as best picture.

Black Panther's story was overall grounded and the film's impact was important to prove once and for all that an international audience will pay money to see a diverse cast. That's the kind of thing that should be acknowledged by the Academy.

The other comment seems to imply that because Endgame is a popular superhero movie it won't be nominated for best picture Oscar. Well Black Panther was a superhero movie and it won 3 Oscars. Also the song Hard Out Here For A Pimp won an Oscar a few years ago. As far as seing a diverse cast, Black Panther was a success worldwide because it's Marvel/Disney. If it was put out by Spike Lee or Tyler Perry and not Marvel I don't think it would have been as big. It probably would have been like Meteor Man. razz If Aladdin was not Disney, it's unlikely that a movie starring little known actors Mena Massoud & Naomi Scott would have made over a billion. Mena has even said that he still doesn't get callouts for auditions after Aladdin's popularity, probably because he's Egyptian. Also how popular are the non-Marvel movies starring Marvel actors? DC's Aquaman made over a billion, but has Jason Momoa had any other big money making movies? Today it's often a brand that sells tickets more than a movie star. In general, current really popular movies are based on something from decades ago (Mission Impossible, James Bond, Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Disney live action remakes, Jumanji, It, Halloween, Godzilla, Toy Story, etc). There's the success of the new Bad Boys sequel, and there's going to be more sequels from old movies (Top Gun: Maverick, Coming 2 America, Beverly Hills Cop 4, Bill & Ted Face The Music)

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Reply #32 posted 01/28/20 12:46pm

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kindofblue said:

Please check again. Billie is NOT manufactured pop at all, it is homegrown, self written music, Prince style made in the own bedroom-studio only by herself and her brother.



And Billie is not positioned as the next big thing. She is already the biggest star on the scene. She won most of the end-of-year-charts for 2019 in Europe, and I guess also in the US.



And no, she also doesn't make music aimed at 14 year olds. I'm 47, and the two CDs she has out seldom leave the player. She's as fresh as 1999 was in 1982.



You definitely miss out a lot if You don't follow her closely.





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Just been checking out some more of Billie Eilish's music. Like I said before, not my cup of tea at all but she's definitely being positioned as the next big thing. I mean, we all know that the Grammy's are bought and paid for. The "main" awards are anyway. That's not really a secret at this stage. So not only does she "win" several Grammy's but she's also given the new Bond theme. Well, now that Bond is being distributed by Universal Pictures and Billie Eilish is signed to a division of Universal Music, it makes sense. It's actually great promotion. Similar to how Columbia gave Skyfall to Adele when it was their movie studio in charge of Bond. I don't like most manufactured pop and Billie Eilish is no different but she's very young and I wish her well. Hopefully she is given more protection than a lot of other young girls are given in the music industry.



Every single song in the pop charts is manufactured pop, designed to sell records and not for artistic merit. Now, that's not to say that it's not good. Good and bad is subjective. And I don't doubt you when you say that Billie Eilish writes her own songs. But she is not in control of what songs go on her album and what ones are left to the side. She is not in control of which songs are released as singles and which ones are not. I have worked in the music industry and I have seen how these things work. Record labels exist to make money and they are never going to allow an 18 year old girl to make decisions that will impact potential profits. Even big, more established artists don't have that kind of creative freedom.

Basically, 99% of the whole thing is about marketing. And yes, pretty much all pop music is marketed towards teens. But that's nothing new. Prince, Madonna, Jacko, Britney, Christina, Timberlake, Eminem, Elvis, The Beatles etc. All were marketed towards a teenage audience when they were in their commercial prime. Again though, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. And I'm not saying that old people like yourself* can't enjoy it. That's just the nature of the music industry.



*Apologies for the "old people" bit. I couldn't help myself ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Reply #33 posted 01/28/20 1:18pm

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Jeez lads, all the music biz talk and nothing about the music. She's a home-schooled kid with connections who wrote and recorded an album with her brother in their bedroom. The biz took her on and sold it in whatever way makes sense this week, who cares, it's basically the same story as Kim Wilde back in 1980 - here's a good piece in the Baffler about selling this stuff in the streaming age - ultimately and most importantly it's a good album with minimal external meddling on its content that has reached a lot of people, pity more good albums like this don't reach people.





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Reply #34 posted 01/28/20 1:20pm

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isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

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Reply #35 posted 01/28/20 1:22pm

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jfenster said:

isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

The awards? Frankly the Grammys in 2020 are giving Billie Eilish awards to make themselves relevant, not the other way around.

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Reply #36 posted 01/28/20 4:13pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Now Tyler, the Creator, he is the shit.


biggrin yes She alright though she got potential, album is kewl, echoes previous sentiments etc โœŠ.
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Reply #37 posted 01/28/20 6:21pm

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jaawwnn said:

Jeez lads, all the music biz talk and nothing about the music. She's a home-schooled kid with connections who wrote and recorded an album with her brother in their bedroom. The biz took her on and sold it in whatever way makes sense this week, who cares, it's basically the same story as Kim Wilde back in 1980 - here's a good piece in the Baffler about selling this stuff in the streaming age - ultimately and most importantly it's a good album with minimal external meddling on its content that has reached a lot of people, pity more good albums like this don't reach people.





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Nice post! I think the fact that her music comes from her and her brother rather than being contrived from some corporate guess of what might sell is much of what makes her success special. We need more of these types of successes to help reinvigorate the music scene.

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Reply #38 posted 01/29/20 5:49am

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jaawwnn said:

Jeez lads, all the music biz talk and nothing about the music. She's a home-schooled kid with connections who wrote and recorded an album with her brother in their bedroom. The biz took her on and sold it in whatever way makes sense this week, who cares, it's basically the same story as Kim Wilde back in 1980 - here's a good piece in the Baffler about selling this stuff in the streaming age - ultimately and most importantly it's a good album with minimal external meddling on its content that has reached a lot of people, pity more good albums like this don't reach people.







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Reply #39 posted 01/29/20 5:54am

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If "Bad Guy" is the best song of the year, then "Gangnam Style" is the best song of the decade.

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Reply #40 posted 01/29/20 6:33am

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Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.


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Reply #41 posted 01/29/20 6:39am

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kindofblue said:

Prince style made in the own bedroom-studio only by herself and her brother.

lol

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Reply #42 posted 01/29/20 6:40am

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Double post confused

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Reply #43 posted 01/29/20 6:41am

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JoeTyler said:

If "Bad Guy" is the best song of the year, then "Gangnam Style" is the best song of the decade.

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lol sounds about right. Psy wrote that song by himself with Yoo Gun-hyung. Just like Prince.

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Reply #44 posted 01/29/20 7:02am

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lastdecember said:

Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.

I knew this would happen when I kept seeing commercials for the show and kept thinking, "there has to be someone else performing. They're holding out for the show". LOL at that one. I guess they thought all those billions of streams or whatever they call it today (impressions?) from Billie Eilish and L'il Nas X would translate into viewers.

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Reply #45 posted 01/29/20 8:55am

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CynicKill said:

lastdecember said:

Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.

I knew this would happen when I kept seeing commercials for the show and kept thinking, "there has to be someone else performing. They're holding out for the show". LOL at that one. I guess they thought all those billions of streams or whatever they call it today (impressions?) from Billie Eilish and L'il Nas X would translate into viewers.

Yeah even though they also claim "Oh it was just 6% down from last year", but again its the way Music is consumed today by in large its streaming, which is non ownership, non investment etc.... so why would anyone care to tune in? Also the biggest fall was in their key demographic 18-40 year olds, that was their biggest drop off, everything older pretty much has no interest in watching this because no one on the show in realtiy interests them, I mean if I just didnt have the thing on MUTE as a background to what i was working on, I wouldnt even know their was a show. It's not like 50 year olds were like cool "Aerosmith is on, I'll sit through three hours of people i have no clue or care about", plus the Aerosmith performance was awful, once DMC came out and rapped over their own record? WTF? You should have just had Steven tyler come out and do "dream on" and go home, "Livin on the edge" why? Walk this way? why?


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Reply #46 posted 01/31/20 10:06pm

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This guys breakdown of the Billie Eilish mystique is very enlightening:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T87vtClP_k

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Reply #47 posted 02/02/20 10:23pm

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EmmaMcG said:

kindofblue said:

Please check again. Billie is NOT manufactured pop at all, it is homegrown, self written music, Prince style made in the own bedroom-studio only by herself and her brother.



And Billie is not positioned as the next big thing. She is already the biggest star on the scene. She won most of the end-of-year-charts for 2019 in Europe, and I guess also in the US.



And no, she also doesn't make music aimed at 14 year olds. I'm 47, and the two CDs she has out seldom leave the player. She's as fresh as 1999 was in 1982.



You definitely miss out a lot if You don't follow her closely.





EmmaMcG said:


Just been checking out some more of Billie Eilish's music. Like I said before, not my cup of tea at all but she's definitely being positioned as the next big thing. I mean, we all know that the Grammy's are bought and paid for. The "main" awards are anyway. That's not really a secret at this stage. So not only does she "win" several Grammy's but she's also given the new Bond theme. Well, now that Bond is being distributed by Universal Pictures and Billie Eilish is signed to a division of Universal Music, it makes sense. It's actually great promotion. Similar to how Columbia gave Skyfall to Adele when it was their movie studio in charge of Bond. I don't like most manufactured pop and Billie Eilish is no different but she's very young and I wish her well. Hopefully she is given more protection than a lot of other young girls are given in the music industry.



Every single song in the pop charts is manufactured pop, designed to sell records and not for artistic merit. Now, that's not to say that it's not good. Good and bad is subjective. And I don't doubt you when you say that Billie Eilish writes her own songs. But she is not in control of what songs go on her album and what ones are left to the side. She is not in control of which songs are released as singles and which ones are not. I have worked in the music industry and I have seen how these things work. Record labels exist to make money and they are never going to allow an 18 year old girl to make decisions that will impact potential profits. Even big, more established artists don't have that kind of creative freedom.

Basically, 99% of the whole thing is about marketing. And yes, pretty much all pop music is marketed towards teens. But that's nothing new. Prince, Madonna, Jacko, Britney, Christina, Timberlake, Eminem, Elvis, The Beatles etc. All were marketed towards a teenage audience when they were in their commercial prime. Again though, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. And I'm not saying that old people like yourself* can't enjoy it. That's just the nature of the music industry.



*Apologies for the "old people" bit. I couldn't help myself ๐Ÿ˜‚

There is footage of the bedroom she and her brother made the album and a note of the sequence of the album.
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Reply #48 posted 02/03/20 6:39am

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CynicKill said:

This guys breakdown of the Billie Eilish mystique is very enlightening:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T87vtClP_k

Nothing we hadn't already mentioned in here? Just more detail.

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Reply #49 posted 02/05/20 11:08am

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billie ellish music is garbage...
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Reply #50 posted 02/06/20 5:57am

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RJOrion said:

billie ellish music is garbage...

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Reply #51 posted 02/06/20 1:37pm

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jaawwnn said:

jfenster said:

isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

The awards? Frankly the Grammys in 2020 are giving Billie Eilish awards to make themselves relevant, not the other way around.

no her music....

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Reply #52 posted 02/06/20 2:27pm

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I don't know much about her but a story on CNN about her clothing style said that she's had a personal shopper buy her clothes and dress her since she was 14.


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Reply #53 posted 02/10/20 10:52am

JoeTyler

RJOrion said:

billie ellish music is garbage...

she makes Lana del Rey sound as good as prime Kate Bush

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Reply #54 posted 02/14/20 10:21am

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Grammys don't mean nothing anymore. The last time they was relevant was in 1987. If you think Billie Eilish is good then bless your heart

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Reply #55 posted 02/15/20 9:08pm

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Sheโ€™s awesome. If you havenโ€™t listened to her music or watched her creative videos, do so now! She won 5 awards, 4 top categories


Oh, Billie's your girl? Really? Well, MY girl, Mabel, can trump YOUR girl, Billie, with one little pipe in her throat of the very many she's got! 10 million zillion triliion times over! "Loneliest time of the year" is a song, the likes of which I don't think I've ever heard before!! I mean, if you put like, the head of the entire MAFIA down in front of the speakers and played that song, I think he'd start crying! In this age of AI-generated-music and whatnot, it's SO COOL that we've got people like Mabel carrying the torch and all. So - the Grammys and all, can basically go fuck themselves smile

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Reply #56 posted 02/15/20 9:10pm

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P.S. I should point out that I don't hate Billie, I love "Xanny" and the new Bond song, and all the other songs, but come on,....she's no Mabel!

The Grammys have got a screw loose - what are they thinking??

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Reply #57 posted 02/16/20 6:55am

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domainator2010 said:

P.S. I should point out that I don't hate Billie, I love "Xanny" and the new Bond song, and all the other songs, but come on,....she's no Mabel!



The Grammys have got a screw loose - what are they thinking??



Who's Mabel?
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Reply #58 posted 02/16/20 7:36am

domainator2010

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:

P.S. I should point out that I don't hate Billie, I love "Xanny" and the new Bond song, and all the other songs, but come on,....she's no Mabel!

The Grammys have got a screw loose - what are they thinking??

Who's Mabel?


Amongst other things, Neneh Cherry's daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/w...PbkUUccZGQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/w...PbkUUccZGQ

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Reply #59 posted 02/17/20 4:29pm

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in 2 years she will be on the episode of "where are they now?"

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