LouieLestate said:

And Black Panther deserved it, unlike Endgame which is a fun time but not awardworthy as best picture.

Black Panther's story was overall grounded and the film's impact was important to prove once and for all that an international audience will pay money to see a diverse cast. That's the kind of thing that should be acknowledged by the Academy.

The other comment seems to imply that because Endgame is a popular superhero movie it won't be nominated for best picture Oscar. Well Black Panther was a superhero movie and it won 3 Oscars. Also the song Hard Out Here For A Pimp won an Oscar a few years ago. As far as seing a diverse cast, Black Panther was a success worldwide because it's Marvel/Disney. If it was put out by Spike Lee or Tyler Perry and not Marvel I don't think it would have been as big. It probably would have been like Meteor Man. If Aladdin was not Disney, it's unlikely that a movie starring little known actors Mena Massoud & Naomi Scott would have made over a billion. Mena has even said that he still doesn't get callouts for auditions after Aladdin's popularity, probably because he's Egyptian. Also how popular are the non-Marvel movies starring Marvel actors? DC's Aquaman made over a billion, but has Jason Momoa had any other big money making movies? Today it's often a brand that sells tickets more than a movie star. In general, current really popular movies are based on something from decades ago (Mission Impossible, James Bond, Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, Disney live action remakes, Jumanji, It, Halloween, Godzilla, Toy Story, etc). There's the success of the new Bad Boys sequel, and there's going to be more sequels from old movies (Top Gun: Maverick, Coming 2 America, Beverly Hills Cop 4, Bill & Ted Face The Music)

kindofblue said:

Jeez lads, all the music biz talk and nothing about the music. She's a home-schooled kid with connections who wrote and recorded an album with her brother in their bedroom. The biz took her on and sold it in whatever way makes sense this week, who cares, it's basically the same story as Kim Wilde back in 1980 - here's a good piece in the Baffler about selling this stuff in the streaming age - ultimately and most importantly it's a good album with minimal external meddling on its content that has reached a lot of people, pity more good albums like this don't reach people.

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isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

jfenster said:

isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

The awards? Frankly the Grammys in 2020 are giving Billie Eilish awards to make themselves relevant, not the other way around.

2freaky4church1 said:

jaawwnn said:

Jeez lads, all the music biz talk and nothing about the music. She's a home-schooled kid with connections who wrote and recorded an album with her brother in their bedroom. The biz took her on and sold it in whatever way makes sense this week, who cares, it's basically the same story as Kim Wilde back in 1980 - here's a good piece in the Baffler about selling this stuff in the streaming age - ultimately and most importantly it's a good album with minimal external meddling on its content that has reached a lot of people, pity more good albums like this don't reach people.

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Nice post! I think the fact that her music comes from her and her brother rather than being contrived from some corporate guess of what might sell is much of what makes her success special. We need more of these types of successes to help reinvigorate the music scene.

jaawwnn said:

If "Bad Guy" is the best song of the year, then "Gangnam Style" is the best song of the decade.

Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.

kindofblue said:

Prince style made in the own bedroom-studio only by herself and her brother.

Double post

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JoeTyler said:

If "Bad Guy" is the best song of the year, then "Gangnam Style" is the best song of the decade.

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sounds about right. Psy wrote that song by himself with Yoo Gun-hyung. Just like Prince.

lastdecember said:

Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.

I knew this would happen when I kept seeing commercials for the show and kept thinking, "there has to be someone else performing. They're holding out for the show". LOL at that one. I guess they thought all those billions of streams or whatever they call it today (impressions?) from Billie Eilish and L'il Nas X would translate into viewers.

CynicKill said:

lastdecember said:

Just another quick note, this years GRAMMY telecast was the lowest rated in 12 years which at the time was the lowest in history for the show. The industry, of course blamed everything from "Everyone has things like Netflix and other streaming tv services and does not watch TV, to being tuned into the death of Kobe Bryant" rather than actually calling it what it is, lack of interest in the artists plain and simple. People do not get this. The main way music is obtained now is BY RENTAL, remember that, you own nothing, you have no collection nothing to go back to, so the music now whether good or not is rental, its disposable, its chewing gum that you will forget really quick.

I knew this would happen when I kept seeing commercials for the show and kept thinking, "there has to be someone else performing. They're holding out for the show". LOL at that one. I guess they thought all those billions of streams or whatever they call it today (impressions?) from Billie Eilish and L'il Nas X would translate into viewers.

Yeah even though they also claim "Oh it was just 6% down from last year", but again its the way Music is consumed today by in large its streaming, which is non ownership, non investment etc.... so why would anyone care to tune in? Also the biggest fall was in their key demographic 18-40 year olds, that was their biggest drop off, everything older pretty much has no interest in watching this because no one on the show in realtiy interests them, I mean if I just didnt have the thing on MUTE as a background to what i was working on, I wouldnt even know their was a show. It's not like 50 year olds were like cool "Aerosmith is on, I'll sit through three hours of people i have no clue or care about", plus the Aerosmith performance was awful, once DMC came out and rapped over their own record? WTF? You should have just had Steven tyler come out and do "dream on" and go home, "Livin on the edge" why? Walk this way? why?

This guys breakdown of the Billie Eilish mystique is very enlightening:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T87vtClP_k

EmmaMcG said:

CynicKill said:

This guys breakdown of the Billie Eilish mystique is very enlightening:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T87vtClP_k

Nothing we hadn't already mentioned in here? Just more detail.

RJOrion said:

billie ellish music is garbage...

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jaawwnn said:

jfenster said:

isnt it just to make it potentially sell even more?

The awards? Frankly the Grammys in 2020 are giving Billie Eilish awards to make themselves relevant, not the other way around.

no her music....

I don't know much about her but a story on CNN about her clothing style said that she's had a personal shopper buy her clothes and dress her since she was 14.

RJOrion said:

billie ellish music is garbage...

she makes Lana del Rey sound as good as prime Kate Bush

Grammys don't mean nothing anymore. The last time they was relevant was in 1987. If you think Billie Eilish is good then bless your heart

AvocadosMax said:

She’s awesome. If you haven’t listened to her music or watched her creative videos, do so now! She won 5 awards, 4 top categories

Oh, Billie's your girl? Really? Well, MY girl, Mabel, can trump YOUR girl, Billie, with one little pipe in her throat of the very many she's got! 10 million zillion triliion times over! "Loneliest time of the year" is a song, the likes of which I don't think I've ever heard before!! I mean, if you put like, the head of the entire MAFIA down in front of the speakers and played that song, I think he'd start crying! In this age of AI-generated-music and whatnot, it's SO COOL that we've got people like Mabel carrying the torch and all. So - the Grammys and all, can basically go fuck themselves

P.S. I should point out that I don't hate Billie, I love "Xanny" and the new Bond song, and all the other songs, but come on,....she's no Mabel!

The Grammys have got a screw loose - what are they thinking??

domainator2010 said:

EmmaMcG said:

domainator2010 said:

P.S. I should point out that I don't hate Billie, I love "Xanny" and the new Bond song, and all the other songs, but come on,....she's no Mabel!

The Grammys have got a screw loose - what are they thinking??

Who's Mabel?

Amongst other things, Neneh Cherry's daughter:

https://www.youtube.com/w...PbkUUccZGQ" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/w...PbkUUccZGQ

in 2 years she will be on the episode of "where are they now?"