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Reply #30 posted 02/03/20 5:40pm

alphastreet

I remember the ET news report about overlapping the frames so he’s not as pale. Also at the time, Whitney Houston was sickly thin and they covered that up
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Reply #31 posted 02/10/20 1:56pm

SoulAlive

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Ive always thought MJ should have done an unplugged during this era. The songs from Invincible seemed ready made for that setting to accentuate his voice/grace with an aoustic setting.

That would have been perfect.Get rid of all the distractions and focus on the VOICE.Would have been a smart career move for him at that time.

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Reply #32 posted 02/10/20 2:06pm

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I’m imagining whatever happens and cry as part of that, would have been so great, but for some reason he was performing older songs from dangerous during that time period
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Reply #33 posted 02/10/20 2:26pm

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This song is so underrated.

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Reply #34 posted 02/11/20 12:47am

SoulAlive

and maybe throw in some surprises like "I Can't Help It" and the old J5 song "Maybe Tomorrow" smile

alphastreet said:

I’m imagining whatever happens and cry as part of that
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Reply #35 posted 02/11/20 9:16am

alphastreet

SoulAlive said:

and maybe throw in some surprises like "I Can't Help It" and the old J5 song "Maybe Tomorrow" smile





alphastreet said:


I’m imagining whatever happens and cry as part of that


Would have been great to hear I can’t help it live, such an underrated song. Beyonce and Stevie wonder did performances of that song
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Reply #36 posted 02/12/20 3:24am

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For many people music occupies a particular space.
For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence.

People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer.
There is too much attached to his music now.
it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it.



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[Edited 2/12/20 3:59am]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #37 posted 02/12/20 8:09am

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hausofmoi7 said:

For many people music occupies a particular space. For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence. People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer. There is too much attached to his music now. it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it. . [Edited 2/12/20 3:59am]

No. It's not. People still go off when they hear Michael at a club or any other public place. It's only losers that get headaches. And those got headaches already 27 years ago.

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Reply #38 posted 02/12/20 9:28am

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hausofmoi7 said:

For many people music occupies a particular space.
For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence.

People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer.
There is too much attached to his music now.
it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it.



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[Edited 2/12/20 3:59am]


Maybe that’s because you or people around you have some sort of problem with yourselves. When I hear Michael on the radio or ply his music, I still get the same rush that I have ALWAYS gotten. I don’t know a single person who has said that his music is uncomfortable or depressing. Maybe you need to get some type of help to see what the REAL problem is. Some people like to blame Michael for their Own inherent issues and project those on MJ.
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Reply #39 posted 02/12/20 10:31am

alphastreet

Free2BMe said:

hausofmoi7 said:

For many people music occupies a particular space.
For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence.

People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer.
There is too much attached to his music now.
it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it.



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[Edited 2/12/20 3:59am]


I still get the same rush from his music too

Maybe that’s because you or people around you have some sort of problem with yourselves. When I hear Michael on the radio or ply his music, I still get the same rush that I have ALWAYS gotten. I don’t know a single person who has said that his music is uncomfortable or depressing. Maybe you need to get some type of help to see what the REAL problem is. Some people like to blame Michael for their Own inherent issues and project those on MJ.
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Reply #40 posted 02/12/20 1:17pm

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If some people can’t seperate the man and the music that is a valid reason.

For the longest time based on the evidence it was looking like Michael was innocent.
But it looks like now that is not the case.


Anyway, he’s gone now.
His music is forever tainted as a result and will never be the same again.

I was never a huge Michael Jackson fan to begin with but I use to enjoy some of his music.




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[Edited 2/12/20 13:19pm]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #41 posted 02/12/20 1:23pm

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Free2BMe said:

hausofmoi7 said:

For many people music occupies a particular space.
For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence.

People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer.
There is too much attached to his music now.
it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it.



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[Edited 2/12/20 3:59am]


Maybe that’s because you or people around you have some sort of problem with yourselves. When I hear Michael on the radio or ply his music, I still get the same rush that I have ALWAYS gotten. I don’t know a single person who has said that his music is uncomfortable or depressing. Maybe you need to get some type of help to see what the REAL problem is. Some people like to blame Michael for their Own inherent issues and project those on MJ.


We have an issue with paedophillia.
We also have an issue with those taking advantage of people less fortunate and exploiting them, this can also include adults being exploited.




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[Edited 2/12/20 14:33pm]
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #42 posted 02/12/20 9:44pm

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Invincible has some amazing songs and Is seriously underrated. There are still people who are not aware of this album because of the bullshit pulled by Mottola/Sony and their sabotage.
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Reply #43 posted 02/13/20 10:21am

alphastreet

Free2BMe said:

Invincible has some amazing songs and Is seriously underrated. There are still people who are not aware of this album because of the bullshit pulled by Mottola/Sony and their sabotage.


I feel like people discovered it after his death too and it became album of the decade in 2009 on billboard. A few months ago my coworker was playing whatever happens on his playlist and I was happy to hear it

It’s definitely underrated and would have sold more if sony didn’t interfere. It also would have done well with a butterflies video and an acoustic set like already mentioned
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Reply #44 posted 02/13/20 11:12am

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Matty said dope. hehe

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #45 posted 02/13/20 12:53pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

For the longest time based on the evidence it was looking like Michael was innocent. But it looks like now that is not the case. Anyway, he’s gone now. His music is forever tainted as a result and will never be the same again. I was never a huge Michael Jackson fan to begin with but I use to enjoy some of his music. . [Edited 2/12/20 13:19pm]

Why? Because there is a stupid, onesided movie with 2 moneyhungry liars telling fairytales?? Nothing has changed.

The music is still the same. Still enjoyed the same as it always has been. People who feel "different" never cared about his music anyway.

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Reply #46 posted 02/13/20 9:40pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

If some people can’t seperate the man and the music that is a valid reason.

For the longest time based on the evidence it was looking like Michael was innocent.
But it looks like now that is not the case.


Anyway, he’s gone now.
His music is forever tainted as a result and will never be the same again.

I was never a huge Michael Jackson fan to begin with but I use to enjoy some of his music.


You pretty much acknowledged that based on the EVIDENCE Michael was/is innocent. Then you went completely irrational and said something ignorant like it looks like now that is not the case. Are you and others really that naive and easily manipulated by two EXTORTIONISTS whose stories have more holes than Swiss Cheese. Even the most moronic and dumbest person in the world should be able to see through the bullshit in the fraudomentary. Seriously, the only logical conclusion is that you and others of your ilk truly WANTED kids to be molested for your own sick gratification. What these two extortionists spewed in the fraudomentary was pure child porn and pedophilic fantasies that turned a lot of sick and perverted people on.
Just as you stated there has NEVER been any evidence-only the lies of two broke men who want money and who have said for two decades that they were never abused.

Stop trying to turn your pedophilic dreams and fantasies into something that never happened. Your issues and problems will not be solved because you WANT something that never happened. Get psychological help!!

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Reply #47 posted 02/13/20 10:30pm

SoulAlive

hausofmoi7 said:

For many people music occupies a particular space.
For some it’s a creative outlet, escapismb or a source of joy and innocence.

People keep saying seperate the person from the music, but every time Michael Jacksons music comes on now its a mood killer.
There is too much attached to his music now.
it’s uncomfortable, depressing and gives some people physical headaches when they hear it.



For me,it’s not a problem at all.When I listen to music,I don’t necessarily think about the personal life of the artist singing it.I think about the song and how it relates to ME and the enjoyment that I get from it.Artists are not “perfect” people and you shouldn’t expect them to be.
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Reply #48 posted 02/14/20 11:20am

alphastreet

Let’s get back to the music. Can you imagine a dance remix to heaven can wait? I’m envisioning that it may be similar to the you are not alone dance mix
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Reply #49 posted 02/15/20 5:13pm

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"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.

"eye feel like we're on the brink of something. It's going 2 B strict & wild & pretty" prince
This nomination is not just 4 me; it’s 4 prince & 4 the fans.prince truly did whatever prince needed 2 do 2 make the fans happy.prince gave his life 4 his fans. Ms E
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Reply #50 posted 02/15/20 5:25pm

alphastreet

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.



It’s like he ignored mjs impact on urban audiences
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Reply #51 posted 02/15/20 7:22pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.

Sony cut the budget before. Then Michael went on the bus and voiced his displeasure. Michael's protests were in June/July 2002. 8/9 months after the album was released.

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Reply #52 posted 02/15/20 8:29pm

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PatrickS77 said:



ChocolateBox3121 said:


"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.




Sony cut the budget before. Then Michael went on the bus and voiced his displeasure. Michael's protests were in June/July 2002. 8/9 months after the album was released.



Exactly
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Reply #53 posted 02/15/20 9:41pm

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It's a good rnb song I really can't listen to Mike for some reason. This is partly due to me thinking he's sexless and I can't connect.

Another turn off is the race issue, I know I am listening to a black man but in my head is the image of him as a white man. I sense no authencitiy. All of these make it difficult for me to enjoy his musicsadly, but I can't change it.

Plus, he isn't funky.

If you look at Prince he's oozing with authenticity and race. He always said he's funky and he's black. Now that's the kinda shit you want to hear. lol as opposed to a sexless man.

Anyway, I am not bashing Mike he's genius and he's respected too.

[Edited 2/15/20 21:48pm]

Prince I will always miss and love U.
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Reply #54 posted 02/15/20 11:31pm

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Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:



ChocolateBox3121 said:


"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.




Sony cut the budget before. Then Michael went on the bus and voiced his displeasure. Michael's protests were in June/July 2002. 8/9 months after the album was released.



Exactly


Absolutely not.
Read the true story in the first page.
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Reply #55 posted 02/16/20 5:29am

Free2BMe

OzlemUcucu said:

It's a good rnb song I really can't listen to Mike for some reason. This is partly due to me thinking he's sexless and I can't connect.



Another turn off is the race issue, I know I am listening to a black man but in my head is the image of him as a white man. I sense no authencitiy. All of these make it difficult for me to enjoy his musicsadly, but I can't change it.



Plus, he isn't funky.



If you look at Prince he's oozing with authenticity and race. He always said he's funky and he's black. Now that's the kinda shit you want to hear. lol as opposed to a sexless man.



Anyway, I am not bashing Mike he's genius and he's respected too.







[Edited 2/15/20 21:48pm]



Lol! Tell that to Michael’s millions of female fans who have eargasms just listening to him sing songs like Heaven Can Wait, Butterflies, Lady In My Life, Break Of Dawn, etc. I will never forget when Butterflies was first played on radio that one of the female DJs actually said she felt as if she was having an orgasm, not eargasm, while listening to that song. Some of you people really don’t have a clue to how Michael affects his fans-male and female. MJs voice gives me goosebumps everytime I hear him, especially his slow jams. There is nothing like the feeling he gives me when I hear that glorious voice and see him perform. I always wonder if he knew just how sexy he was to his fans? Love that man today as much as I did over 40 years ago, even more. Nothing and no other artist even comes close to causing those emotions.
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Reply #56 posted 02/16/20 6:41am

alphastreet

Lol eargasms is a good way to describe it
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Reply #57 posted 02/16/20 7:06am

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alphastreet said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.

It’s like he ignored mjs impact on urban audiences [Edited 2/15/20 17:26pm]

It was more to it than that. Sony was trying desperately to get Mj to sell his stake in the ATV catalog to them. Which affected his relationship with them on every level.

"eye feel like we're on the brink of something. It's going 2 B strict & wild & pretty" prince
This nomination is not just 4 me; it’s 4 prince & 4 the fans.prince truly did whatever prince needed 2 do 2 make the fans happy.prince gave his life 4 his fans. Ms E
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Reply #58 posted 02/16/20 7:08am

alphastreet

ChocolateBox3121 said:



alphastreet said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.



It’s like he ignored mjs impact on urban audiences [Edited 2/15/20 17:26pm]

It was more to it than that. Sony was trying desperately to get Mj to sell his stake in the ATV catalog to them. Which affected his relationship with them on every level.



Yeah true, they really were giving him a hard time
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Reply #59 posted 02/16/20 8:30am

Free2BMe

ChocolateBox3121 said:



alphastreet said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Invincible" did a great job at trying to get Mj's rnb following back. Too bad Mj's bad mouthing Tommy Mottola made SOny cut the promotion budget to non existent.



It’s like he ignored mjs impact on urban audiences [Edited 2/15/20 17:26pm]

It was more to it than that. Sony was trying desperately to get Mj to sell his stake in the ATV catalog to them. Which affected his relationship with them on every level.



You hit the nail on the head. That was exactly what Mottola/Sony was trying to do. Not only were they try to get Michael to sell to them, they were trying to make him lose the catalogue where he would HAVE to sell to them. Thus, the reason that they allowed him to go over budget with recording, studio time, etc. The entire SABOTAGE of the Invincible album was planned and orchestrated with help from MSM to the so-called critics. Mottola was behind all of it. An ex-Sony executive revealed after Michael died that Mottola and Sony DID sabotage Invincible and Michael was correct in calling Mottola out. FTR, when Michael complained DIRECTLY to the Japanese head of Sony, they fired Mottola’s ass. I don’t care what lies and manipulations the MSM spewed, Mottola did NOT leave willingly. The media tried to cover his ass; however, WOKE people/MJ fans knew what happened and were never fooled by the bullshit that the media regurgitated in order to turn public and industry against Michael. MJ fans are aware of EVERYTHING.
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