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Reply #30 posted 01/24/20 12:26pm

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alphastreet said:

DaveT said:
I absolutely love Chvrches! Saw them by chance at Glasto 2016 as they were on before New Order who were my chosen band for the Saturday night... Chvrches ended up being the best act I saw all weekend! Hoping they tour again soon.
Wow you’re lucky you saw new order! I agree they put on a great show and I love the Every Open Eye album

New Order are the worst band I've ever seen live sad

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Reply #31 posted 01/24/20 12:27pm

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jaawwnn said:

Grace Jones is incredible live, and looks brilliant.

Iggy Pop too.

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Reply #32 posted 01/24/20 12:31pm

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alphastreet said:


DaveT said:
I absolutely love Chvrches! Saw them by chance at Glasto 2016 as they were on before New Order who were my chosen band for the Saturday night... Chvrches ended up being the best act I saw all weekend! Hoping they tour again soon.

Wow you’re lucky you saw new order! I agree they put on a great show and I love the Every Open Eye album

New Order are the worst band I've ever seen live sad



Maybe they should have opened for chvrches then lol
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Reply #33 posted 01/24/20 4:21pm

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No shame but she's done everything and she's old now.


I don't think anyone has done everything. Some artists certainly get in a groove and ride it until the end of time. Bon Jovi, The Rollinng Stones - certain folks are just "oh, yep, that's them." Madonna certainly tries to inhabit new sounds every time around. MJ did (of course with the span between his albums, it wasn't hard to find new sounds), and Janet does, too. Prince sorta had carry over sounds that connected certain albums or eras. D&P and prince are similar, Controversy & 1999 are sisters, ATWIAD & Parade are almost interchangeable at times, etc. M purposely sets out to do something different in each record.

What is stuffy though is her compressed, dry electronica aesthetic. It was cute on Ray of Light. It was okay on Music, then it got boring on American Life (her worst album, to me). The threads of that sound are throughout her subsequent records. But I will say Confessions was more open and fun. MDNA is okay as a record, but is great in concert. I like the DVD concert much more than the album. Rebel Heart was her Prince 90's moment, when she fully grabbed at trends, instead of making them. The fucking air horn sound alone makes it one of her worst albums in history. I hate that it even exists. It's the first Madonna record I've skipped buying (as well as the concert DVD). It have a visceral reaction to it. It's just garbage.

I wonder if fans would say the same about Prince being "old now" since they are the same age. Did anyone say that when he decided to just sit at a piano and play songs for 70 minutes? "How boring. He's old now, so makes sense." What does age have to do with making music? Just because she's 62 this year doesn't mean her brain has stopped working.

But I don't think any artist has done everything. We could've said that about Prince - having done rap, rock, R&B, soul, funk, spoken word, etc - but then he sat his ass down at a piano and sang and people lost their minds (rightly so).

The one thing that tires me with Madonna is always being overly political or SJW-esque. But she's speaking her truth in the moment. I just get sorta tired of it sometimes.


big difference, I would hardly compare The Rolling Stones to Bon Jovi, the stones haven't done anything new in two decades at least, jovi like them or not release new music and often debut at number one round the globe, though you won't hear them on the radio that's because in the USA you have to be a ten year old to get airplay and appeal to even younger listeners. As for Madonna I have nightmare stories about this tour, the album I listened to twice and it was boring stuff yes it was different but different doesn't mean good. Her cancellations are insane I have heard people have lost thousands on travel which is insane because I would not travel anywhere for her nor pay over fifty dollars for a ticket for her in case she shows up.


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Reply #34 posted 01/24/20 6:35pm

alphastreet

That’s unfortunate she had cancellations like that, plus she charges an arm and a leg for tickets.

I don’t know about you but some of her career best is on the new album. Dark Ballet, God Control, etc.
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Reply #35 posted 01/25/20 9:32am

alphastreet

Did anyone catch the time she posted a song on Instagram that she wrote and was singing about playing guitar with your gloves on being like sex with a condom? I thought she was really being stupid but got over it when madame x hit
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Reply #36 posted 01/25/20 12:53pm

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Hurt knee aside, I hope she's alright. I've found her behaviour this era to be...more erratic than usual. Even going back just an album or two, her interviews have a life and spontaneity that seems a bit dimmed. As if she's a little out of it? I don't like that she committed to this huge tour, and is in "indescribable" pain, as it reminds me of some of her late and great colleagues.

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My other qualm is that her voice is better than her reputation suggests. If she just sat on a stool and sang her heart out, I'd be more inclined to buy a ticket than if it was the same heavily choreographed dance routines (but slower this time, and in pain).

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It's not my favorite era, and it's not how I'd have hoped things would look at this point.

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On the flip side, did anyone catch Patti Smith on The Tonight Show? It's just a woman who's older than Madonna, but seems way more comfortable in her own skin, and free and goofy and alive. A joy to watch.

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Reply #37 posted 01/25/20 12:56pm

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Hurt knee aside, I hope she's alright. I've found her behaviour this era to be...more erratic than usual. Even going back just an album or two, her interviews have a life and spontaneity that seems a bit dimmed. As if she's a little out of it? I don't like that she committed to this huge tour, and is in "indescribable" pain, as it reminds me of some of her late and great colleagues.


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My other qualm is that her voice is better than her reputation suggests. If she just sat on a stool and sang her heart out, I'd be more inclined to buy a ticket than if it was the same heavily choreographed dance routines (but slower this time, and in pain).


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It's not my favorite era, and it's not how I'd have hoped things would look at this point.


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On the flip side, did anyone catch Patti Smith on The Tonight Show? It's just a woman who's older than Madonna, but seems way more comfortable in her own skin, and free and goofy and alive. A joy to watch.





I hope she takes it easy too on the remaining dates. I also thought of mj and prince
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Reply #38 posted 01/26/20 2:14pm

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Funny because the staging for Madame X tour looks a lot like Grace Jones' One Man Show. If Madonna allowed photography during her show, more people would be aware of this.

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Reply #39 posted 01/26/20 2:16pm

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lastdecember said:

Her cancellations are insane I have heard people have lost thousands on travel


And those are the hardcore fans she is burning.

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Reply #40 posted 01/27/20 3:04am

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Cinny said:

lastdecember said:

Her cancellations are insane I have heard people have lost thousands on travel


And those are the hardcore fans she is burning.

This is Croke Park 2008 all over again! lol

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Reply #41 posted 01/27/20 11:41am

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looby said:


I'm sorry, but I don't think that there are many people that want to see a 60 plus year old person, gyrating around on stage, in skimpy costumes or underwear,



Are you sure about that? Because lots of people go to concerts by Grace Jones & Iggy Pop who are in their 70s. lol These pics are from 2019.








Iggy Pop's build looks like an action figure that was left on the register too long.Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.
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Reply #42 posted 01/27/20 11:47am

alphastreet

He looks like he’s melting and stuck in midlife crisis

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MickyDolenz said:



looby said:


I'm sorry, but I don't think that there are many people that want to see a 60 plus year old person, gyrating around on stage, in skimpy costumes or underwear,



Are you sure about that? Because lots of people go to concerts by Grace Jones & Iggy Pop who are in their 70s. lol These pics are from 2019.








Iggy Pop's build looks like an action figure that was left on the register too long.Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.

lol lol lol lol lol
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Reply #43 posted 01/27/20 12:31pm

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even Prince said theres a time when u dont wanna show skin

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Reply #44 posted 01/27/20 4:14pm

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Her last album was quite mature and well-rounded, compared to her other music from the last 12 years at least. I think the stage show concept on the new tour is very cool but still unmatured from her, who's doing big stage shows for almost 30 years.

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I don't expect to be mindblown by her at this point like I did with Bowie's last album, for example, but the music she puts out still has the Madonna-ness that I enjoy, and she felt a lot more assured and comfortable on the last album, so I'm okay with it.

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Reply #45 posted 01/28/20 12:10am

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Reply #46 posted 01/28/20 8:14am

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Ew he looks grotesque
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Reply #47 posted 01/29/20 8:29am

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SoulAlive said:

as for the tour.....I didn't go this time.I've seen every Madonna tour since Blonde Ambition,spent a ton of money and I'm at the point now where I'll just wait for the blu-ray,if there will be one biggrin

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Reply #48 posted 01/30/20 9:51am

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She got talent for sure. I've been singing her praise for over a year. She'll be performing at the Oscar too.
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Reply #49 posted 01/30/20 10:54am

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Madonna has been "stuffy & boring"for about 35 years now...the last exciting stuff she did was the "Like A Virgin" LP...
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Reply #50 posted 01/30/20 10:56am

RJOrion

Iggy Pop looks like a raw rotisserie chicken
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Reply #51 posted 01/30/20 11:16am

alphastreet

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Iggy Pop looks like a raw rotisserie chicken


He really does
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Reply #52 posted 01/30/20 8:47pm

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Oh My -

Will someone please give Iggy an IRON because his costume needs ironing !!

LOL

On Madonna though - I love her Madame X album - it is my second Fav album (Erotica being my first Fav) and then followed by American Life (these three sound amazing on Vinyl - particulary Madame X.............think it was meant to be heard that way with the full dynamics)

automatic said:

MickyDolenz said:

Are you sure about that? Because lots of people go to concerts by Grace Jones & Iggy Pop who are in their 70s. lol These pics are from 2019.

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Iggy Pop's build looks like an action figure that was left on the register too long.Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.

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Reply #53 posted 01/30/20 9:28pm

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automatic said:

Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.

Here you go

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1325c8e49e689c2fabc0457e35828fbc/fa48415456a05ba5-6b/s1280x1920/3d220f21aac1b6870371c86b5ac8b1c946d15b71.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/8ce182dd58a1d35945f9d3314bb7abba/fa48415456a05ba5-38/s1280x1920/e8d7b60d0f8e2c1c48b56878828ff4f07a9825e5.jpg

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Reply #54 posted 01/30/20 9:37pm

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jfenster said:

even Prince said theres a time when u dont wanna show skin

Cher disagrees

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #55 posted 01/31/20 10:12am

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automatic said:

Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.

Here you go

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1325c8e49e689c2fabc0457e35828fbc/fa48415456a05ba5-6b/s1280x1920/3d220f21aac1b6870371c86b5ac8b1c946d15b71.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/8ce182dd58a1d35945f9d3314bb7abba/fa48415456a05ba5-38/s1280x1920/e8d7b60d0f8e2c1c48b56878828ff4f07a9825e5.jpg

So who told this guy that it was shameful for a woman to be a woman, and it takes a man to dress as a woman to prove that? What he said is stupid and makes no sense at all! If you want to dress as a woman fine, but it doesn't take a woman wearing a pair of pants to prove that it's not shameful for a man to be a man.....idiotic!

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Reply #56 posted 01/31/20 10:46am

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looby said:

So who told this guy that it was shameful for a woman to be a woman, and it takes a man to dress as a woman to prove that? What he said is stupid and makes no sense at all! If you want to dress as a woman fine, but it doesn't take a woman wearing a pair of pants to prove that it's not shameful for a man to be a man.....idiotic!

Whatever you say Archie. lol

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #57 posted 01/31/20 11:01am

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looby said:



MickyDolenz said:




automatic said:


Might be the time to put on a shirt dude.

Here you go


https://66.media.tumblr.com/1325c8e49e689c2fabc0457e35828fbc/fa48415456a05ba5-6b/s1280x1920/3d220f21aac1b6870371c86b5ac8b1c946d15b71.jpg


https://66.media.tumblr.com/8ce182dd58a1d35945f9d3314bb7abba/fa48415456a05ba5-38/s1280x1920/e8d7b60d0f8e2c1c48b56878828ff4f07a9825e5.jpg



So who told this guy that it was shameful for a woman to be a woman, and it takes a man to dress as a woman to prove that? What he said is stupid and makes no sense at all! If you want to dress as a woman fine, but it doesn't take a woman wearing a pair of pants to prove that it's not shameful for a man to be a man.....idiotic!




yeah, thats some pretty twisted logic
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Reply #58 posted 01/31/20 11:27am

looby

MickyDolenz said:

looby said:

So who told this guy that it was shameful for a woman to be a woman, and it takes a man to dress as a woman to prove that? What he said is stupid and makes no sense at all! If you want to dress as a woman fine, but it doesn't take a woman wearing a pair of pants to prove that it's not shameful for a man to be a man.....idiotic!

Whatever you say Archie. lol

Right back at ya Veronica. lol

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Reply #59 posted 01/31/20 11:37am

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looby said:

Right back at ya Veronica. lol

Who is Veronica? I was talking about Archie Bunker, who would make the same kind of comment you did.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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