It's funny that people on this site are arguing for Rufus & Chaka, but not Judas Priest, an actual rock band

kitbradley said:

Tontoman22 said:

I agree, Houston got in becasue of Clive Davis's relationship with the R&RHOF and it's members. If I am not mistake he used to belong to the induction board. You could also tell if you look on their Facebook page and saw of the the promotional videos for their nominees. They were really pumping her up, saying her career was unparalled...etc etc...

You were reading my mind. Both Nippy and Biggie's inductions had ZERO to do with their race or legacies. After having a conversation with someone in the business, yes, Clive is 100% responsible for both of them getting inducted only after one nomination. Other people continue to get snubbed and not nominated at all again because of the inside politics. It's really just a big joke. After having the conversation, I will not waste time voting in the future. The inductees are already decided while the fan vote is taking place.

Yep, well her 7 consecutive #1s were becasue of Davis, pulling his strings behind the scene, terroriziing the interns that workd at Arista (to do everything they could to make sure that it happened). Now he's trying to tell everyone she broke barriers down on MTV. But I concur with you, I won't be wasting my time with the fan vote either.

Tontoman22 said:

kitbradley said:

You were reading my mind. Both Nippy and Biggie's inductions had ZERO to do with their race or legacies. After having a conversation with someone in the business, yes, Clive is 100% responsible for both of them getting inducted only after one nomination. Other people continue to get snubbed and not nominated at all again because of the inside politics. It's really just a big joke. After having the conversation, I will not waste time voting in the future. The inductees are already decided while the fan vote is taking place.

Yep, well her 7 consecutive #1s were becasue of Davis, pulling his strings behind the scene, terroriziing the interns that workd at Arista (to do everything they could to make sure that it happened). Now he's trying to tell everyone she broke barriers down on MTV. But I concur with you, I won't be wasting my time with the fan vote either.

How can one harrass interns to get a #1 ?

At the end of the day it's just people buying her records, no?

Tontoman22 said:

kitbradley said:

You were reading my mind. Both Nippy and Biggie's inductions had ZERO to do with their race or legacies. After having a conversation with someone in the business, yes, Clive is 100% responsible for both of them getting inducted only after one nomination. Other people continue to get snubbed and not nominated at all again because of the inside politics. It's really just a big joke. After having the conversation, I will not waste time voting in the future. The inductees are already decided while the fan vote is taking place.

Yep, well her 7 consecutive #1s were becasue of Davis, pulling his strings behind the scene, terroriziing the interns that workd at Arista (to do everything they could to make sure that it happened). Now he's trying to tell everyone she broke barriers down on MTV. But I concur with you, I won't be wasting my time with the fan vote either.

Does he not know Tina Turner, Chaka Khan, The Pointer Sisters, Deniece Williams, Diana Ross, Donna summer and others all had their videos on MTV before Nippy came along? Or does he expect people who weren't around during that time or too young to remember that Nippy was responsbile for breaking down the barriers at MTV for black females?

METALLICA's KIRK HAMMETT Weighs In On MOTÖRHEAD And THIN LIZZY's Exclusion From ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME

January 22, 2020 Blabbermouth

METALLICA guitarist Kirk Hammett has expressed his disappointment over the fact that MOTÖRHEAD has yet to be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

Eligible since 2002, the Lemmy-fronted outfit was on the ballot for the class of 2020 but failed to receive enough votes.

During a career-spanning interview on Dean Delray's "Let There Be Talk" podcast, Hammett stated about MOTÖRHEAD's exclusion from the Rock Hall: "I really think that when things like that happen, it might be a generational thing where maybe some of the older people just don't get it — they just don't fucking get it. They don't see the range of influence and the impact and the inspiration that certain bands have. They don't hear it, because maybe they're part of a different generation and were told that vocals sung like that are bad. But they're not — they're fucking just another type of vocal. And [those people believe that] recordings like that have no merit. [I've] gotta admit, some of those MOTÖRHEAD recordings are fucking so beautifully raw."

Kirk continued: "For those kind of people, MOTÖRHEAD is a little bit of a bitter pill. And the comprehension of it is kind of — it could be a little better comprehended. And I think that's the problem — it's merely a generational thing. As much as I don't like saying that, because I think if it's good music, it's gonna transcend generations. But then, at certain times, people are just closed off from it from the get-go, for whatever reason. It's just one of those things that just happens."

When Delray opined that NINE INCH NAILS should not be inducted into the Rock Hall before acts like KRAFTWERK, Gary Numan and DEVO, all of whom were an influence on Trent Reznor, Hammett said: "If it weren't for those bands, where would NINE INCH NAILS be? It's so that way with so many other bands too. I mean, THIN LIZZY — fucking hell. I mean, Jesus Christ, they were such a huge influence with me and all my friends and all the bands that were coming up at the same time we were, and they're still not in the fucking Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Again, maybe it's generational. I don't know. Maybe they just didn't sell enough fucking albums. Sometimes it feels like you have to sell a certain amount of albums before they would even consider you, which is, I think, a big piece of shit, too."

Even though artists are eligible for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame 25 years after the release of their first album or single, iconic hard rock and metal bands like JUDAS PRIEST, IRON MAIDEN and SCORPIONS have yet to be recognized by the institution, which inducted METALLICA and GUNS N' ROSES in those groups' first year of eligibility.

Rock Hall rules state that artists become eligible a quarter century after their first records were released, but the Hall also claims that other "criteria include the influence and significance of the artists' contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock 'n' roll," which is, of course, open to interpretation.

Eligible for induction since 1999, KISS didn't get its first nomination until 2009, and was finally inducted in 2014.

DEEP PURPLE was eligible for the Rock Hall since 1993 but didn't get inducted until 2016.

Dave Matthews Band? haha

Clive Davis did a lot of dirty things but so did a lot of LABEL guys back when LABELS ruled the way. We forget that CLIVE had not one issue with Milli Vanilli and KNEW all about it and looked the other way, which is why I never understood that whole situation. And in the end the ones thrown under the bus were Fab and Rob not the producer who was the mastermind and HAD DONE IT BEFORE with Boney M, not CLIVE who knew all about it, but the two guys who wanted out got all the shit. So I know there was a lot of extra push on Whintey, they also made sure to get her songs that fit and that she could make her own that were not her own. People for the longest time thought Whitney wrote them little did they know almost all of them were covers of minor hits. But she had the chops no doubt and not taking that away, but same deal for Mariah though she is a writer and also Celine Dion though Celine is like a french whitney. Cant wait to see what happens when they have to go in, I mean if Whitney is in MARIAH has to go in, she doubled Whitneys hits and sales and also wrote them.

2freaky4church1 said:

Dave Matthews Band? haha

They shouldnt get in, there are alot of 90's acts and tons of 80's that need to go. The notorious BIG thing is a joke two albums? not even two really. LL must feel great that he fell off the ballot and BIG goes in first try. But the whole FAN VOTE thing is a joke, it really does not matter at all, it counts as ONE VOTE, so it helped no one, Pat Benatar is a total slap in the face because STEVIE NICKS NEVER should have gotten in solo but we know how she pulled that off. Her solo career is sub par to say the least. Without PAT no Heart no Joan Jett etc....But next year look to see Mariah, the Foo Fighters and Lenny Kravitiz as the new ones on the ballot and early rumblings are for Duran Duran to finally get a nod

lastdecember said:

PurpleSpirit319 said:

Another reason that Whitney and Biggie got in is because of this Goddam race issue, which in my mind has gone WAY OUT OF HAND now!!! They had to let those 2 in because there would have been calls of foul and the HOF would have been accused of being racist!!! Racism was never an issue in anything like this before, but now it seems its being pushed more and more to the fore!! This ceremony should be about longevity and quantity and quality of their work, NOT about being scared not to include someone in because of being accused of being racist!!!

Really? Fuck it, I'll bite. So how can not including Whitney and Biggie be considered racist? There's quite a few black artists in the Rock and Roll hall of fame, so i don't quite understand where you're coming from... So, maybe I'm just splitting hairs, but i don't think they should have gotten in simply because they weren't Rock & Roll artist. It is the Rock & Roll hall of fame, right?

In addition, it's really batshit crazy that artists such as Todd Rundgren (WTF, in terms of talent, Todd is up there with Prince), Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest (another WTF? ), Devo, Kraftwerk (Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five are in, but Kraftwerk are not?), Iron Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Motorhead, Grand Funk Railroad, Motley Crue, Siouxsie & the Banshees, King Crimson, Ronnie James Dio, the Scorpions and Pat Benatar, still are not in the R&R hall of fame. More so since groups and people like NWA, the Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Janet Jackson, Whitney, and Biggie, are in there. i do like those groups/people. i just don't think they can be considered Rock and roll artist(maybe except for early Beastie Boys, and, if you include some of their samples, Public Enemy). And, i don't think they should have been considered(and inducted) before those older(in terms of longevity, minus Slayer and Megadeth) groups.

[Edited 1/27/20 1:14am]

JoeyC said:

In addition, it's really batshit crazy that artists such as Todd Rundgren (WTF, in terms of talent, Todd is up there with Prince), Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest (another WTF? ), Devo, Kraftwerk (Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five are in, but Kraftwerk are not?), Iron Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Motorhead, Grand Funk Railroad, Motley Crue, Siouxsie & the Banshees, King Crimson, Ronnie James Dio, the Scorpions and Pat Benatar, still are not in the R&R hall of fame. More so since groups and people like NWA, the Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Janet Jackson, Whitney, and Biggie, are in there. i do like those groups/people. i just don't think they can be considered Rock and roll artist(maybe except for early Beastie Boys, and, if you include some of their samples, Public Enemy). And, i don't think they should have been considered(and inducted) before those older(in terms of longevity, minus Slayer and Megadeth) groups

You can kind of guess who is more likely to get inducted into the Hall by what kind of coverage (or lack of) they got in Rolling Stone magazine, since they are behind it. There is no particular criteria other than an act is eligible 25 years after their debut album. It is known that Jann Wenner is not really a fan of heavy metal or prog rock. The founders like Wenner are more into blues and R&B based rock like Rolling Stones & Eric Clapton. Clapton has been inducted 3 times, more than any other performer. Some blues acts like B.B. King, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, & Bobby "Blue" Bland are in. Even lesser known acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band have been inducted. Rap has been more accepted in RS than metal ever was. Metal had its own magazines like Hit Parader, R&B had Right On! & Black Beat, and jazz had Downbeat. They featured acts that Rolling Stone either ignored or gave little coverage to. RS mostly wrote about R&B that crossed over. There wasn't really an equivalent to RS for R&B, at least not in the US, until maybe Vibe in the 1990s. Right On! & Black Beat were more teen magazines like Tiger Beat. Before that the more well known R&B performers would get featured in Ebony/Jet, but it wasn't usually about their music, more like showing off their home or something.

I don't think Wenner is much into electronic music either. One of the writers that worked for RS in the 1970s said that he had a hard time getting articles about disco artists in it because Wenner did not want disco in the magazine and was said to not understand it. The writer was a disco fan. Notice that Chic has been nominated at least 10 times but still has not gotten in. Donna Summer was also nominated several times, and I think she only got in because she had recently passed away. So that is probably why Kraftwerk has not been accepted but NWA has. Ringo Starr got inducted for his solo career because Paul McCartney requested it. Paul noticed that the other 3 Beatles were in for their solo careers and Ringo wasn't. Even Brian Epstein was inducted before Ringo. I think recently they started inducting older acts that they ignored like Chicago, Journey, The Cars, Bon Jovi, Genesis, & Doobie Brothers who have been long been eligible. Probably to still get the original boomer readers of RS to watch the HBO broadcast. They inducted 1990s acts Nirvana, Green Day, Tupac, & Pearl Jam as soon as they were eligible. I have a feeling that Destiny's Child will get in their first year of being eligible, even the Jackson 5 was around 28 years and Michael was inducted 29 years after his 1st album (Got To Be There).

Empress said:

I don't understand why so many people care about this. The RRHOF lost credibilty years ago. Just take if for what it is.....a night of some good performances and collabs.

You're right, but unfortunately the Rock Hall is all we've got for every type of music except classical and country (both of which have their own HOF's).

Why hasn't there been a rap/hiphop HOF yet??

The genre has been around for over 40 years now ... it's time!

lastdecember said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Dave Matthews Band? haha

They shouldnt get in, there are alot of 90's acts and tons of 80's that need to go. The notorious BIG thing is a joke two albums? not even two really. LL must feel great that he fell off the ballot and BIG goes in first try. But the whole FAN VOTE thing is a joke, it really does not matter at all, it counts as ONE VOTE, so it helped no one, Pat Benatar is a total slap in the face because STEVIE NICKS NEVER should have gotten in solo but we know how she pulled that off. Her solo career is sub par to say the least. Without PAT no Heart no Joan Jett etc....But next year look to see Mariah, the Foo Fighters and Lenny Kravitiz as the new ones on the ballot and early rumblings are for Duran Duran to finally get a nod

You seem really mad about Stevie Nicks getting in TWICE, but I'm happy she did. First woman ever. Rock on Gold Dust Woman!

Anyway, every artist out there has had good work and some work not as good, especially Pat Benatar. I won't be too hard on you becuase I remember you like Duran Duran and it's a crime they are not in yet. I believe you were also the A-Ha fan, right? I don't post on here as much as I used to but I remember your username.

lastdecember said:

Without PAT no Heart no Joan Jett etc....But next year look to see Mariah, the Foo Fighters and Lenny Kravitiz as the new ones on the ballot and early rumblings are for Duran Duran to finally get a nod

I agree with you on Pat, and really hope Lenny gets in.

PurpleSpirit319 said:

FUCK WHITNEY FUCKING HOUSTON, FUCK NOTORIOUS BIFUCKINGG!! How can the HOF ignore a band that was virtually on top of the leaderboard for most of the voting time and had the most votes(1 million +) in favour of these 2 non-talents I have no idea!!! I am talking about The Dave Matthews Band!! Its the last time I vote relentlessly for anyone!! The HOF is fucked up big time now!!!!

[Edited 1/15/20 9:46am]

Really PurpleSpirit Phuck Whitney and Biggie obviously U R 1 of those braninwashed haters that don't know where Rock and Roll really comes from , I bet U R the type that thinks R&B Hip Hop etc should have their own category , Rock and Roll is just watered down R&B , it was called Devil Music back in the early 50's because of pioneers like Chuck Berry Little Richard Etta James and Ray Charles just 2 name a few . I know the R&R HOF has skipped more than a few great Rock acts , can't believe the Doobie Brothers are just now getting in damn shame, yes I think Whitney should be in her voice alone was beautiful as she was , now Biggie and 2pac should not be in B4 L.L. Cool J who has been at it since 1984 and the 1st artist on Def Jam records est. in 1984, look U have a right 2 your opinion but don't knock their hustle because they got voted in RIP WHITNEY HOUSTON & Biggie Smalls, baby baby .

PurpleSpirit319 said:

Another reason that Whitney and Biggie got in is because of this Goddam race issue, which in my mind has gone WAY OUT OF HAND now!!! They had to let those 2 in because there would have been calls of foul and the HOF would have been accused of being racist!!! Racism was never an issue in anything like this before, but now it seems its being pushed more and more to the fore!! This ceremony should be about longevity and quantity and quality of their work, NOT about being scared not to include someone in because of being accused of being racist!!!

Welcome 2 AmeriKKKa it's always about race here every President except 4 President Obama has had a Whites Only agenda from Washington to Donald Chumpanzee , racist KKkops have been killing African Americans since after slavery, racism is needed in AmeriKKKa 2 even funKKKtion it could not survive without RACISM. Why do u think people get mad when any other than Rock and Roll artist is especially a hip hop artist is inducted or anyone darker than a napkin is inducted. I think Whitney should be in and Chaka should have been in a loooooong time ago as well as the Doobie Brothers , if we are talking longivity then L.L.Cool J and New Edition should be in Google em if U R not familiar with either, both acts have been on the Pop Tart charts yet one is Hip Hop the other R&B respecfully .

This has long become one of the most ridiculous institutes. At the end of the day, literally everybody will be in the HOF. Also those who have absolutely nothing in common with RnR.

One of the things that pisses me off about the R&R Hall of Fame is....there are certain artists that keep getting nominated every year and then not getting picked.I'm talking about artists like Rufus and Chaka Khan,War,and Chic.It's insulting and disrespectful.If you're not gonna put these people in there,don't nominate them at all! They did that crap with Donna Summer when she was alive.They only put her in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame after she died.I guess they felt guilty for snubbing her before

DaveT said:

Still no Kraftwerk? ...!!!!!!!!!!!

They invented electronic music. How in the blue hell are they not in yet?

They had no "mainstream" success, despite their influence. That's a factor

MickyDolenz said:

It's funny that people on this site are arguing for Rufus & Chaka, but not Judas Priest, an actual rock band

I think it's safe to say that Judas Priest will eventually be chosen,so there's no need to argue for their induction.

Rufus and Chaka actually have rock roots.Listen to their early albums.I'd argue that Chaka has more to do with rock and roll than Whitney Houston does.

MickyDolenz said:

JoeyC said:

In addition, it's really batshit crazy that artists such as Todd Rundgren (WTF, in terms of talent, Todd is up there with Prince), Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest (another WTF? ), Devo, Kraftwerk (Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five are in, but Kraftwerk are not?), Iron Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Motorhead, Grand Funk Railroad, Motley Crue, Siouxsie & the Banshees, King Crimson, Ronnie James Dio, the Scorpions and Pat Benatar, still are not in the R&R hall of fame. More so since groups and people like NWA, the Beastie Boys, Public Enemy, Janet Jackson, Whitney, and Biggie, are in there. i do like those groups/people. i just don't think they can be considered Rock and roll artist(maybe except for early Beastie Boys, and, if you include some of their samples, Public Enemy). And, i don't think they should have been considered(and inducted) before those older(in terms of longevity, minus Slayer and Megadeth) groups

You can kind of guess who is more likely to get inducted into the Hall by what kind of coverage (or lack of) they got in Rolling Stone magazine, since they are behind it. There is no particular criteria other than an act is eligible 25 years after their debut album. It is known that Jann Wenner is not really a fan of heavy metal or prog rock. The founders like Wenner are more into blues and R&B based rock like Rolling Stones & Eric Clapton. Clapton has been inducted 3 times, more than any other performer. Some blues acts like B.B. King, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, & Bobby "Blue" Bland are in. Even lesser known acts like Paul Butterfield Blues Band have been inducted. Rap has been more accepted in RS than metal ever was. Metal had its own magazines like Hit Parader, R&B had Right On! & Black Beat, and jazz had Downbeat. They featured acts that Rolling Stone either ignored or gave little coverage to. RS mostly wrote about R&B that crossed over. There wasn't really an equivalent to RS for R&B, at least not in the US, until maybe Vibe in the 1990s. Right On! & Black Beat were more teen magazines like Tiger Beat. Before that the more well known R&B performers would get featured in Ebony/Jet, but it wasn't usually about their music, more like showing off their home or something.

I don't think Wenner is much into electronic music either. One of the writers that worked for RS in the 1970s said that he had a hard time getting articles about disco artists in it because Wenner did not want disco in the magazine and was said to not understand it. The writer was a disco fan. Notice that Chic has been nominated at least 10 times but still has not gotten in. Donna Summer was also nominated several times, and I think she only got in because she had recently passed away. So that is probably why Kraftwerk has not been accepted but NWA has. Ringo Starr got inducted for his solo career because Paul McCartney requested it. Paul noticed that the other 3 Beatles were in for their solo careers and Ringo wasn't. Even Brian Epstein was inducted before Ringo. I think recently they started inducting older acts that they ignored like Chicago, Journey, The Cars, Bon Jovi, Genesis, & Doobie Brothers who have been long been eligible. Probably to still get the original boomer readers of RS to watch the HBO broadcast. They inducted 1990s acts Nirvana, Green Day, Tupac, & Pearl Jam as soon as they were eligible. I have a feeling that Destiny's Child will get in their first year of being eligible, even the Jackson 5 was around 28 years and Michael was inducted 29 years after his 1st album (Got To Be There).

Chic will probably never get in, now that Nile Rodgers got the "Musical Excellence" award a few years back...That was definitely a consolation prize for Chic not being inducted after being on so many ballots. A shame, because that means that Bernard Edwards and Tony Thompson and Raymond Jones will never get the recognition

For me, the greatest snubs are the J Geils Band and Los Lobos.

Chic is a lost cause at this point.

Nick715 said:

lastdecember said:

They shouldnt get in, there are alot of 90's acts and tons of 80's that need to go. The notorious BIG thing is a joke two albums? not even two really. LL must feel great that he fell off the ballot and BIG goes in first try. But the whole FAN VOTE thing is a joke, it really does not matter at all, it counts as ONE VOTE, so it helped no one, Pat Benatar is a total slap in the face because STEVIE NICKS NEVER should have gotten in solo but we know how she pulled that off. Her solo career is sub par to say the least. Without PAT no Heart no Joan Jett etc....But next year look to see Mariah, the Foo Fighters and Lenny Kravitiz as the new ones on the ballot and early rumblings are for Duran Duran to finally get a nod

You seem really mad about Stevie Nicks getting in TWICE, but I'm happy she did. First woman ever. Rock on Gold Dust Woman!

Anyway, every artist out there has had good work and some work not as good, especially Pat Benatar. I won't be too hard on you becuase I remember you like Duran Duran and it's a crime they are not in yet. I believe you were also the A-Ha fan, right? I don't post on here as much as I used to but I remember your username.

I wouldnt care if Pat was already in, seems a little foolish that someone who opened the ROCK female door, and when I say ROCK female I dont mean Joni or the singer songwriters, I mean the female version of the males that they let in no question. Stevie's solo output did not get her in, Fleetwood Mac got her in the second time that is for sure. Her solo work is very spotty and if I would vote for her, it would be years from now not first ballot, that is insanity. Pat overlooked is criminal plain and simple, to finally have her on the ballot and then have her second in fan popularity just to have others pass her is crazy. As for Duran to me like I said if not for them MTV or just video as an art form does not happen the way it did, so DURAN is the reason for Madonna and a whole slew of others who had giant careers on videos and to some bands and older artists they had new careers because of video. But to have Depeche and the Cure in before them again, clueless.

SoulAlive said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's funny that people on this site are arguing for Rufus & Chaka, but not Judas Priest, an actual rock band

I think it's safe to say that Judas Priest will eventually be chosen,so there's no need to argue for their induction.

Rufus and Chaka actually have rock roots.Listen to their early albums.I'd argue that Chaka has more to do with rock and roll than Whitney Houston does.

There is no arguement, you are 100% correct. Rufus and Chaka's first couple of albums were Rock influenced. Chaka, as a solo artist, took it even further and more consistantly. This is one of the reasons why I'd rather see her inducted as a solo artist than with Rufus. Her solo discography is far more eclectic than her Rufus discography. Nippy had a Pop/Pop-Soul niche that she rarely ventured outside of.

Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame How serious can you take this hall if Iron Maiden is not in it.

JorisE73 said:

Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame How serious can you take this hall if Iron Maiden is not in it.

Or that Kiss is in.

Empress said:

JorisE73 said:

Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame How serious can you take this hall if Iron Maiden is not in it.

Or that Kiss is in.

Disco "Rock"

Like I said in another thread, call it something else so people can stop getting worked up about some of the nominees not being guitar based acts. I think Pat Benatar for sure should be in there. Same with Chaka. It makes no sense that Joan Jett and Stevie Nicks are in but Benatar isn't. As far as Whitney...yes she did get in on her first nomination but I think she's been eligible for like 10 years. The Righteous Brothers, The Shirelles, Bobby Darin, The Supremes, Gladys Knight & the Pips, The Staple Singers, The Moonglows, Brenda Lee, The Ronettes, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Darlene Love, Donna Summer, they're all in the HOF. I'm sure someone who thinks Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Todd Rungren etc. should be in wouldn't consider any of these rock worthy.

But man if Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, Madonna and Janet Jackson are worthy surely Whitney Houston is. She's like the #1 or #2 best selling female artist of all time. She was the first (and still maybe the only?) artist - male or female - to have 7 #1 singles in a row and The Bodyguard soundtrack is one of the best sellling albums of all time with world-wide claimed sales of 45M. Plus she inspired a whole crop of female singers from Mariah to Christina to Beyoncé and beyond. Rename it the popular music hall of fame and get in worthy artists that have been excluded because they're not what someone's definition of "rock" is. To me that would include Barbra Streisand and Dionne Warwick.

kitbradley said:

lastdecember said:

Clive Davis did a lot of dirty things but so did a lot of LABEL guys back when LABELS ruled the way. We forget that CLIVE had not one issue with Milli Vanilli and KNEW all about it and looked the other way, which is why I never understood that whole situation. And in the end the ones thrown under the bus were Fab and Rob not the producer who was the mastermind and HAD DONE IT BEFORE with Boney M, not CLIVE who knew all about it, but the two guys who wanted out got all the shit. So I know there was a lot of extra push on Whintey, they also made sure to get her songs that fit and that she could make her own that were not her own. People for the longest time thought Whitney wrote them little did they know almost all of them were covers of minor hits. But she had the chops no doubt and not taking that away, but same deal for Mariah though she is a writer and also Celine Dion though Celine is like a french whitney. Cant wait to see what happens when they have to go in, I mean if Whitney is in MARIAH has to go in, she doubled Whitneys hits and sales and also wrote them.

Mariah will not be inducted with her first nomination. It will take several. She doesnt have anyone to convince the committee to do it. Im sure Tommy doesnt give a rats behind whether she is inducted or not. Clive's ego needed Nippy to get inducted immediately. [Edited 1/26/20 18:17pm]

But Nippy didn't get inducted immediately. She was eligible like 10 years ago. I think Madonna got in the first year she was eligible. I don't know who will induct Nippy (Dionne is too old) but I hope to god it's not Clive. It should be another great singer. Maybe Stevie Wonder (who sang at her funeral) or Christina Aguilera. Just no Jennifer Hudson please.