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Thread started 12/01/19 5:50pm

beast44

Why is Ciara a flop?

This is nowhere near a hate thread. Ciara seems like a nice person, I'm just wondering why she's been flopping consistently on every album, but she still gets media attention? Anyone else would've been dropped 10 years ago, but she is somehow...still here.

Plus, is there any way out for here? Or is she jsut done for? I want her to be successful, but it looks like it's never gonna happen.

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Reply #1 posted 12/01/19 6:51pm

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beast44 said:

I'm just wondering why she's been flopping consistently on every album, but she still gets media attention?

She's married to Russell Wilson,the quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks.He's "hot" in his career and since she is his wife,the media still pays attention to her too,IMO.

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Reply #2 posted 12/01/19 7:24pm

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Back in the day if you weren’t bringing it then you fell off. Today celebs get attention for being ‘liked’ and in the media for things other than music.
You can’t tell her fans she isn’t flipping though. Her music is whack
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Reply #3 posted 12/02/19 2:15am

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Hit or no hit Ciara is my bae lol

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Reply #4 posted 12/02/19 3:49am

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Reply #5 posted 12/02/19 7:50am

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In terms of "flop" who are we measuring against? who is selling music now? taylor Swift? I dont think Ciara is or has the crossover appeal, so she gets her gigs tours and does events. Just because we dont see these artists charting and all over the place like Beyonce, doesnt mean they dont do anything anymore, flop would be investing millions and getting nothing, she isnt investing millions nor are labels giving her that kind of money, this isnt a Mariah Carey Glitter deal


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Reply #6 posted 12/02/19 3:26pm

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SoulAlive said:

She's married to Russell Wilson, the quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks. He's "hot" in his career and since she is his wife, the media still pays attention to her too, IMO.


Yet one of those things has anything to do with the other.

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Reply #7 posted 12/02/19 3:40pm

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She mostly charted on the R&B charts. But it's been over a decade since she had a #1 album.

"Dose" is a decent song, but it hasn't even charted. I think it's a slightly better song than "Level Up," yet that one charted.

She just always came off as B-list to me. Not quite what she wanted to be as an artist. Look at her discography, I truly had no idea she'd done much of anything since "Love Sex Magic" with Timberlake. I honestly only ever heard about her attending this event, or doing that charity or whatever. It was never about music. She boomed onto the scene in the "Lose Control" video and "1-2 Step" but after that, it has felt spotty, hit n' miss. She has that thinner voice like Janet or Britney has, but that's workable, it has its niche about it. Maybe it's just who produced her, or the quality of the songs. Clearly, her stuff isn't hitting as much as others.

I think about Mya, Tweet, and Ashanta all being in the C-list category at this point. Ciara is just another shit song away from being demoted a notch. Bless her, maybe she should've taken a step back from singing and done more dance-centric stuff as a job. Them legs should be making her a lot more money. haha

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Reply #8 posted 12/02/19 3:59pm

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I agree she’s a really good dancer but not known for her music these days
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SoulAlive said:

beast44 said:

I'm just wondering why she's been flopping consistently on every album, but she still gets media attention?

She's married to Russell Wilson,the quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks.He's "hot" in his career and since she is his wife,the media still pays attention to her too,IMO.

I was going to say the same

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She is a GREAT dancer

Everyone is not going to be a star frontman/woman

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It's so iffy. Like J-Lo is a great dancer and a C list singer/actress

The only songs that were really good overall were produced by Puff Daddy(and usually some remake of a classic rnb song)

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I think Ciara should think outside the box and do more dancing singing with veteran entertainers

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Reply #11 posted 12/03/19 1:28pm

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SoulAlive said:

She's married to Russell Wilson, the quarterback of the Seattle Seahawks. He's "hot" in his career and since she is his wife, the media still pays attention to her too, IMO.


Yet one of those things has anything to do with the other.

If she had not married a hot shot quarterbck,do you think the media would still pay attention to her? Her hits dried up a long time ago.

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TrivialPursuit said:


Yet one of those things has anything to do with the other.

If she had not married a hot shot quarterbck,do you think the media would still pay attention to her? Her hits dried up a long time ago.


I don't disagree about her career, which is the point of the thread. But her marriage has done nothing for her career either. (She married laterally, not up. haha) I don't know her husband or recognize his name. I've heard more about her (or at all) since she's been married to him. I only know about "Dose" from a Kyle Hanagami video.

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Reply #13 posted 12/04/19 7:09am

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CIARA and RUSSELL(COWBOYS) got visual attention when they attended a White House Obama era event together.

After that I started seeing more about Ciara.

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Reply #14 posted 12/04/19 9:03am

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She's barely an average singer... her songs are formulaic, with no outstanding instrumentation or rhythm tracks... she needs new, grown up production.. she needs that Karyn White or Cherrelle w/JimmyJam & Terry Lewis sound..
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Reply #15 posted 12/05/19 2:27pm

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I don't know if she is or was a flop; she had 21 charted songs and several top-10 albums over about a 15-year period. She also had a lot of competition on the pop/R&B scene. Her prime stretch was good enough not to be considered a flop, and not every solo artist can be a mega-seller like MJ or Janet or Beyonce, etc.

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Reply #16 posted 12/05/19 2:35pm

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maybe not a commercial flop, but from a critical perspective, her music doesnt warrant her sustained celebrity status... Id be pressed to name more than 1 or 2 Ciara song titles ... and they were average at best...i know im not alone..
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Reply #17 posted 12/05/19 11:27pm

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I wouldn't consider her a flop but an artist who has already peaked as a musical

artist. Marginally talented from a vocal standpoint yes. Great high energy dancer yes.

Her biggest comercial success obviously came from highly successful top charting debut solo album.

Goodies, 1,2 Step,Oh and Get Up from the Step Up soundtrack are still dance floor staples.

Her debut was triple platinum. Her single Promise from her sophomore album The Evolution

went platinum and topped the R&B/Hip Hot charts. Her subsequent albums and singles have

been marginally successful or commercial flops. I would go as far to say she has had a better

solo career than some of her contemporaries like Solange, Kelly Rowland, Letoya, Keri Hilson,

Jennifer Hudson, and Jordin Sparks. Even Ashanti and Keyshia Cole who probably were moderately more successful have hit their peak musically.

To clear the air it's ridulous to think she is in the news only because she's married to Russell

Wilson who plays for the Seahawks not the Cowboys. Ciara has endorsements as well as her

entertainment ventures. She currently has a new single out now called Melanin.

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I think 1 big problem for people like Ciara is a flooded 'market'. Too many voices trying to get everyone to notice them. As phunkdaddy noted above look at all those artists-female trying to be heard. I will say Solange goes into some very listenworthy discussions. I like her quirkiness. She would have been more noticed if she was say in the 1960s.

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It might seem like a 'disrespect' but really think many of them should think about moolighting as background singers with 'legends' or more seasoned artists who don't have a continued-community band. Like if Chaka Khan goes on tour or Tina goes for that last one for the road show, Ciara should be auditioning. If Joni Mitchell was able to do something Solange should be laying on her front lawn to get her attention to sing for her etc

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I think 1 big problem for people like Ciara is a flooded 'market'. Too many voices trying to get everyone to notice them. As phunkdaddy noted above look at all those artists-female trying to be heard. I will say Solange goes into some very listenworthy discussions. I like her quirkiness. She would have been more noticed if she was say in the 1960s.

.

It might seem like a 'disrespect' but really think many of them should think about moolighting as background singers with 'legends' or more seasoned artists who don't have a continued-community band. Like if Chaka Khan goes on tour or Tina goes for that last one for the road show, Ciara should be auditioning. If Joni Mitchell was able to do something Solange should be laying on her front lawn to get her attention to sing for her etc

I think Solange could have done well in the early 80's. Her debut album was pretty solid.

I'm surprised and disappointed Jennifer Hudson and Jordin Sparks haven't been more

successful with their careers because they both are very talented singers but that's more than likely because neither one of them are overly provocative with their music or videos and they are not twerkers.

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Reply #21 posted 12/06/19 12:01pm

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maybe not a commercial flop, but from a critical perspective, her music doesnt warrant her sustained celebrity status... Id be pressed to name more than 1 or 2 Ciara song titles ... and they were average at best...i know im not alone..


but as we know, sustained celebrity does not depend on artistic merit. i sense that music acts make more money as brands than "musicians" these days. Especially those who have already peaked.

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Reply #22 posted 12/06/19 7:09pm

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I don't consider her a flop. She is actually wining. She is doing better than most who came out when she did.

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Reply #23 posted 12/07/19 9:21pm

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After the "Krunk" era was done so was her career. lol
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Reply #24 posted 12/07/19 10:28pm

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I agree she was associated with the 'crunk' era. She has impeccible dancing skills. She has yet to leave the r&b era dn try maybe dance music or something different than what she has done. I really liked her last single Thinkin' About You..for some reason it didnt take off but I think if anyone of these new girls came out with it like Selena Gomez or Ariana... HIT.

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