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2008 Universal vault fire destroyed hundreds of thousands of music master recordings - and almost nobody knew Quite horrifying, God. . Sources: https://www.nytimes.com/2...dings.html https://www.nytimes.com/2...ule=inline . Quote: . Eleven years ago this month, a fire ripped through a part of Universal Studios Hollywood. At the time, the company said that the blaze had destroyed the theme park’s “King Kong” attraction and a video vault that contained only copies of old works. . The fire started in the early hours of June 1, 2008. Overnight, maintenance workers had used blowtorches to repair the roof of a building on the set of New England Street, a group of colonial-style buildings used in scenes for movies and television shows. The workers followed protocol and waited for the shingles they worked on to cool, but the fire broke out soon after they left, just before 5 a.m. The flames eventually reached Building 6197, known as the video vault, which housed videotapes, film reels and, crucially, a library of master sound recordings owned by Universal Music Group. . But, according to an article published on Tues...s Magazine, the fire also tore through an archive housing treasured audio recordings, amounting to what the piece described as “the biggest disaster in the history of the music business.” . In a confidential report in 2009, Universal Music Group estimated the loss at about 500,000 song titles. . Almost all of the master recordings stored in the vault were destroyed in the fire, including those produced by some of the most famous musicians since the 1940s. . Almost of all of Buddy Holly’s masters were lost, as were most of John Coltrane’s masters in the Impulse Records collection. The fire also claimed numerous hit singles, likely including Bill Haley and His Comets’ “Rock Around the Clock,” Etta James’s “At Last” and the Kingsmen’s “Louie Louie.”
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Well, all hope for those Vanity reissues just went up in flames. "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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That's beyond devastating ... it's borderline incomprehensible. | |
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I'm at a loss for words. | |
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Wow, that's some serious shit. That sucks. | |
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While this is definitely a disaster, at least the notable artist's music will not be lost to us. It's the little known artists whose tapes were yet to be digitized that are the real tragedy. Universal had acquired so many labels before 2008 (I notice a lot of MCA artists are listed in the article). Second generation master tapes would have been sent to every corner of the world (Possibly CDs into the 90s) and could be sitting in vaults on every continent. Artists who only had their albums pressed in the US may be left wanting. Sadly a lot of unreleased material could be gone though. Even if Universal still had the tapes there's no guarantee they'd be releasing much of it to the public anyway. | |
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Extremely sad and upsetting story. A bulding as important as that deserves constant monitoring. Not sure if there wasn't, but I wish this fire would have been caught earlier. | |
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Imagine if Prince's masters were in that fire. I don't argue with people about my opinions. Scram. I said what I said. | |
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Copies of the Vanity tapes could be elsewhere. Her LPs were issued in many different territories. I just don't think effort would be made to find them should reissues ever be planned. . Maybe the fire is why Universal Japan keep issuing the same titles over and over... It also explains why many post-2008 reissues are sourced from vinyl. What a disaster! | |
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SoulConservator said: While this is definitely a disaster, at least the notable artist's music will not be lost to us. It's the little known artists whose tapes were yet to be digitized that are the real tragedy. Universal had acquired so many labels before 2008 (I notice a lot of MCA artists are listed in the article). Second generation master tapes would have been sent to every corner of the world (Possibly CDs into the 90s) and could be sitting in vaults on every continent. Artists who only had their albums pressed in the US may be left wanting. Sadly a lot of unreleased material could be gone though. Even if Universal still had the tapes there's no guarantee they'd be releasing much of it to the public anyway. | |
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But Sony & WEA bought up a lot of labels too. Same with Disney buying up other movie studios. Entertainement is now owned by 4 or 5 conglomerates. But that's not really a new thing. A lot of alternate music to the mainstream was originally on independent labels like jazz, rock n roll, gospel, soul, blues, and so on. Elvis Presley & Sam Cooke were on Sun & Keen. RCA bought their contracts. RCA is now owned by Sony. Some of Sam's stuff is owned by Allen Kline's company and so are the early Rolling Stones records. On a related note the southern soul label Malaco was hit by a tornado a few years ago and a lot of their masters were destroyed too. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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They're disputing it already... . “While there are constraints preventing us from publicly addressing some of the details of the fire that occurred at NBCUniversal Studios facility more than a decade ago, the incident – while deeply unfortunate – never affected the availability of the commercially released music nor impacted artists’ compensation.” . UMG’s statement also says that the Times article “conveniently ignores the tens of thousands of back catalog recordings that we have already issued in recent years – including master-quality, high-resolution, audiophile versions of many recordings that the story claims were ‘destroyed,’” and also says, “UMG invests more in music preservation and development of hi-resolution audio products than anyone else in music.” It doesn’t say, however, that those original master recordings — physical, analogue audio tapes in many cases — were or were not destroyed. Source: http://www.brooklynvegan....ault-fire/ . And not even the artists were aware of it happening until the NY Times Article: . Some of the artists first learned of this from the article and have weighed in. Hole told Pitchfork yesterday they were “not aware until this morning,” and R.E.M. wrote that they “are trying to get good information to find out what happened and the effect on the band’s music, if any.” Questlove, meanwhile, tweeted implying that Do You Want More and Illadelph Halflife may have been lost in the fire. And music mogul Irving Azoff, who manages Steely Dan and others, said “We have been aware of ‘missing’ original Steely Dan tapes for a long time now. We’ve never been given a plausible explanation. Maybe they burned up in the big fire. In any case, it’s certainly a lost treasure.” . I've read that No Doubt, Eminem and Krist Novoselic from Nirvana are comenting as well, trying to find out what happened. Krist stated that it seems the master tapes to Nirvana's "Nevermind" album were lost. Eminem's for "The Marshall Mathers LP" and "Lose Yourself" too, even though his tapes were digitized right before the fire. . Sources: https://genius.com/a/emin...vault-fire https://www.billboard.com...ersal-fire https://www.cbc.ca/music/...-1.5172021 https://ultimateclassicro...usic-fire/ [Edited 6/12/19 18:17pm] | |
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But Sony & WEA bought up a lot of labels too. Same with Disney buying up other movie studios. Entertainement is now owned by 4 or 5 conglomerates. But that's not really a new thing. A lot of alternate music to the mainstream was originally on independent labels like jazz, rock n roll, gospel, soul, blues, and so on. Elvis Presley & Sam Cooke were on Sun & Keen. RCA bought their contracts. RCA is now owned by Sony. Some of Sam's stuff is owned by Allen Kline's company and so are the early Rolling Stones records. On a related note the southern soul label Malaco was hit by a tornado a few years ago and a lot of their masters were destroyed too. | |
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I think it is an embarassing loss to all involved, the companies, the artists. That's why it would not be openly shared. | |
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Kind of makes moving Prince's vault contents to Iron Mountiain's secured location look like a good move, doesn't it? | |
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Sheryl Crow's reaction: "Oh my Lord ... this makes me sick to my stomach, And shame on those involved in the cover-up." . | |
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Some of the artists on here own their masters, SO, I dont really know how "no one" knew their stuff was gone supposedly. Elton John, Don Henley etc...own their stuff, do you really think ELTON would have been quiet for 11 years if he knew his stuff was gone. He got his masters a long time ago. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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“We have many very concerned clients,” attorney Howard King, partner in King, Holmes, Paterno & Soriano, said Thursday. “This has a potentially huge impact on their future, coupled with the rather disturbing fact that no one ever told them that their intellectual property may have been destroyed. There is a significant amount of discussion going on, and there will be formal action taken.” Source: https://www.latimes.com/e...story.html CBS news: youtube.com/watch?v=41Np091wsDI | |
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This is concerning.
Today several of the company’s nearly 1,500 facilities are devoted to entertainment assets. Warner Music Group stores hundreds of thousands of master recordings in Iron Mountain’s Southern California facilities, and nearly all of Sony Music Entertainment’s United States masters holdings — more than a million recordings — are reportedly kept in Iron Mountain warehouses in Rosendale, N.Y. The Boyers, Pa., facility where UMG keeps most of its United States masters is a 1.7-million-square-foot former limestone mine. The facility offers optimal archive conditions, climate control and armed guards. For labels, Iron Mountain is a one-stop shop. In addition to providing storage, it runs on-site studios, so staff members can pull tapes and send digital transfers to labels online, avoiding any need for recordings to leave the premises. Yet some music-business insiders regard this arrangement as a mixed bargain. When masters arrive at Iron Mountain, they say, institutional memory — archivists’ firsthand knowledge of poorly inventoried stacks — evaporates, as does the possibility of finding lost material, either by dogged digging or chance discovery. (Many treasures in tape vaults have been stumbled upon by accident.) Tapes can be retrieved only when requested by bar-code number, and labels pay fees for each request. For years, rumors have circulated among insiders about legendary albums whose masters have gone missing in Iron Mountain because labels recorded incorrect bar-code numbers. The kind of mass tape-pull that would be necessary to unearth lost recordings is both financially and logistically impractical. “I’ve always thought of Iron Mountain as that warehouse in the last scene of ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark,’ ” says Thane Tierney, who co-founded Universal’s now-defunct reissue label Hip-O Select. “Just endless rows of stuff. It’s perfectly safe, but there’s no access, no possibility of serendipity. Nearly all the tapes that go in will never come off the shelf. They’re lost to history.” | |
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Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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I read somewhere that movie copies were destroyed in the fire too. I think that's not the original negtives, but the film reels sent out to movie theaters. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Oh yeah, Iron Mountain is a giant improvement over Prince's basement or some random warehouse. The concerning part is that they have to pay money per tape they pull out of the archive and the fact that catalog mismanagment is possible. . The documentation of the material seems to be good since Michael Howe was able to find the P&M83 cassette out of the 12 suspected cassettes they pulled from the 10,000 cassettes they have stored there. Still we know that there's some tapes with no markings at all and it's doubtful that they'll spend the money to find out what they are. . Can't remember where I read it but I heard it cost $3000 to digitize a tape for release using their internal team. Only going off the amount of cassettes they sent to Iron Mountain from Paisley, it would cost over 30 million to digitize everything. And the claim that it costs $90000 a month to store everything means the estate is spending a million a year on storage alone. | |
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Strive said: This is concerning.
Today several of the company’s nearly 1,500 facilities are devoted to entertainment assets. Warner Music Group stores hundreds of thousands of master recordings in Iron Mountain’s Southern California facilities, and nearly all of Sony Music Entertainment’s United States masters holdings — more than a million recordings — are reportedly kept in Iron Mountain warehouses in Rosendale, N.Y. The Boyers, Pa., facility where UMG keeps most of its United States masters is a 1.7-million-square-foot former limestone mine. The facility offers optimal archive conditions, climate control and armed guards. For labels, Iron Mountain is a one-stop shop. In addition to providing storage, it runs on-site studios, so staff members can pull tapes and send digital transfers to labels online, avoiding any need for recordings to leave the premises. Yet some music-business insiders regard this arrangement as a mixed bargain. When masters arrive at Iron Mountain, they say, institutional memory — archivists’ firsthand knowledge of poorly inventoried stacks — evaporates, as does the possibility of finding lost material, either by dogged digging or chance discovery. (Many treasures in tape vaults have been stumbled upon by accident.) Tapes can be retrieved only when requested by bar-code number, and labels pay fees for each request. For years, rumors have circulated among insiders about legendary albums whose masters have gone missing in Iron Mountain because labels recorded incorrect bar-code numbers. The kind of mass tape-pull that would be necessary to unearth lost recordings is both financially and logistically impractical. “I’ve always thought of Iron Mountain as that warehouse in the last scene of ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark,’ ” says Thane Tierney, who co-founded Universal’s now-defunct reissue label Hip-O Select. “Just endless rows of stuff. It’s perfectly safe, but there’s no access, no possibility of serendipity. Nearly all the tapes that go in will never come off the shelf. They’re lost to history.” I don't understand why it would prevent the possibility of finding lost material, if the tapes are digitally transferred? | |
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New York Times published a list of affected artists but there's no word on what albums were lost.
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Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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The Comedy world lost a lot of history in this fire.
[Edited 6/26/19 12:17pm] [Edited 6/26/19 12:35pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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The works of a lot of famous composers was destroyed too. The masters for many great movie soundtracks, plays and TV compositions . . . gone.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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