RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

com·plic·it

/kəmˈplisit/

adjective

adjective: complicit

involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

"all of these people are complicit in some criminal conspiracy"

complicit = association with, or participation in a wrongful act... it doesnt have to be a "criminal" act...you just picked the first definition you saw...there's different sources with definitions worded differently for the same word...im sure that people who know what the word means, knew that it was applicable in this context...

I'm laughing that you are trying to make people 'who did not comment the way you wanted them to 'complicit'

...like in the Madonna thread

Twitter was having a field day about that few days ago,,but like somebody said, Eric changed and that redeemed him in a sense. Morrissy on the other hand,,,,,,

OldFriends4Sale said:

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm laughing that you are trying to make people did not comment the way you wanted them to 'complicit'

...like in the Madonna thread

really?...ok then, produce your proof that i "was trying to make people comment the way i wanted them to", in ANY thread...of course, you cant... when i make a comment, im not looking for cosigns or approval..im stating my opinion and/or beliefs...you just seem to get confrontational when my beliefs or opinions (on race, specifically) arent symmetrical to yours...but thats cool...i expect it at this point...FIN

I said you are trying to make people 'complicit' who don't agree with your thought process.
Your words, not mine. You are making a judgment.

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uh and racism IS a belief

a person doesn't have to act, to be racist or a bigot, or prejudiced or sexist or homophobic

they are beliefs

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People change. Ask him what he believes today.

And how about we have all of you who think he is based on something he spouted 40yrs ago, some questions about other ethnicities, genders and sexual orientations...

RJOrion said:

Graycap23 said:

When someone shows u who they are..........believe them.

so true...those are 100% words to live by... and people that defend racists and their racist words and/or actions, are complicit in said racism..

I agree.

My thoughts on Clapton:

Very talented musician but a VERY weak minded, easily mislead, and a complete punk in his younger days. He seems to have genuine regret for the earlier decades of his life. It's up to the individual to decide if he warrants their sympathy or forgiveness. I'm not that big hearted, his words and attitude back then are the same as people who performed or incited acts of violence then and NOW on people of color. He can kiss my black ass. Fuck him.

[Edited 7/22/19 21:16pm]

BalladofPeterParker said:

My thoughts on Clapton:

Very talented musician but a VERY weak minded, easily mislead, and a complete punk in his younger days. He seems to have genuine regret for the earlier decades of his life. It's up to the individual to decide if he warrants their sympathy or forgiveness. I'm not that big hearted, his words and attitude back then are the same as people who performed or incited acts of violence then and NOW on people of color. He can kiss my black ass. Fuck him.

[Edited 7/22/19 21:16pm]

Bingo.

RJOrion said:

kitbradley said:

DaveT said:

Eric Clapton has confessed he is still “disgusted” at himself for shouting racist and fascist slogans on stage at a 1976 concert.

More than 40 years ago, the “Layla” rocker stunned fans at a gig in Birmingham, England by launching into a racist tirade, which included him shouting, “Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man.”

During the rant, Clapton used various racist epithets and also praised controversial Conservative politician Enoch Powell.

Footage of the outburst features in a new documentary about his career, “Eric Clapton: A Life in 12 Bars,” and according to the Daily Mail, at a London Q&A session promoting the film, the 72-year-old musician said he was “disgusted” by his past.

“I sabotaged everything I got involved with. I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn’t make sense. Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman and I championed black music,” he continued.

Known for his love of the blues, Clapton was also pals with several leading black musicians, including Jimi Hendrix and B.B. King, who he collaborated with on 2000 album

https://1061thecorner.com/news/030030-eric-clapton-disgusted-by-past-racist-outburst/

BigBlue1894 said:

DaveT said:

I think in this context w_g (the missing letter being "o") was one of the derogatory terms floating around the UK for a person of Indian or Pakistani heritage.

It wasn't actually. It was a word used to refer to black people.

It is a term used toward a wide variety of people. I know it is used in Australia too towards Italians and Greeks.
The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog),

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The origin of the term is unclear. It was first noted by lexicographer F.C. Bowen in 1929, in his Sea Slang: a dictionary of the old-timers' expressions and epithets, where he defines wogs as "lower class Babu shipping clerks on the Indian coast." Many dictionaries - erroneously, and mistakenly -[which?] say "wog" derives from the golliwogg, a blackface minstrel doll character from a children's book, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg by Florence Kate Upton, published in 1895; or from pollywog, a dialect term for tadpole that is used in maritime circles to indicate someone who has not crossed the equator.

Suggestions that the word is an acronym for "wily Oriental gentleman", "working on government service", or similar, are examples of false etymology.

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Use in British English

"Wog", in the UK, is a derogatory and racially offensive slang word referring to a non-white, Jewish, or darker-skinned European person, including people from the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, other parts of Asia such as the East Indies, or the Mediterranean area, including Southern Europeans. A similar term, wop, has historically been used to refer to Italians.

The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog), appears to date from the First World War but was popularised by George Wigg, Labour MP for Dudley, in 1949 when in a parliamentary debate concerning the Burmese, Wigg shouted at the Conservative benches, "The Honourable Gentleman and his friends think they are all 'wogs'. Indeed, the Right Honourable Member for Woodford [i.e., Winston Churchill] thinks that the 'wogs' begin at Calais."

As reported by English-Jewish journalist Linda Grant, people in England have referred to Jews and Israelis as "wogs", as well.

In Season 1 Episode 6 - 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers (a 1975 British TV show), Major Gowen specifically refers to "wog" as meaning any person from India (when speaking about the India vs England cricket game at the Oval to Basil Fawlty).

Use in Australian English

In Australia, the term "wog" refers to residents of Southern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ethnicity or appearance. The slur became widely diffused with an increase in immigration from Europe and the Levant after the Second World War and the term expanded to include immigrants from the Mediterranean region and the Middle East. These new arrivals were perceived by the majority population as contrasting with the larger predominant Anglo Protestant/Anglo-Australian/Anglo-Celtic Australian culture.

Today, "wog" is used particularly in places in Australia with substantial Southern European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern populations; mainly Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. As with other slang and prima facie profanity used in contemporary Australian English, the term "wog" may be employed either aggressively or affectionately within differing contexts.

In Australian English, "wog" can also be used as a slang word for an illness such as a common cold or influenza, as in: "I'm coming down with a wog". Such usage is not perceived as derogatory.

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Wog is a slang word in the idiom of Australian English and British English. In the UK, it is usually employed as an ethnic or racial slur, and considered derogatory ...

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Another erroneous claim is that it was used in the mid 1800s, with WOGS (meaning Working On Government Service) stencilled on the shirts of Indian workers in ...

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Wog definition, a contemptuous term used to refer to any nonwhite person, especially a dark-skinned native of the Middle East or Southeast Asia. See more.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DyCL_8ogzs

When wog parents give the Talk

BigBlue1894 said:

I think that you need to understand the difference between the words was and is. I've no idea if Clapton still is a racist although it's quite telling that he's never to my knowledge, apologised for this terrible racist outburst. What's absolutely certain is that he certainly was a racist 40 years ago.

see post #44

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As I said earlier, it's easy to target a public person, but everyone pointing the finger in judgement, lets pull up the recordings of what we've all said in private (off camera lol) in the privacy of your space, with friends and family... prejudiced things, bigoted things, sexist things, homophobic things...

OldFriends4Sale said:

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

see post #44

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As I said earlier, it's easy to target a public person, but everyone pointing the finger in judgement, lets pull up the recordings of what we've all said in private (off camera lol) in the privacy of your space, with friends and family... prejudiced things, bigoted things, sexist things, homophobic things...

Fo one, the thread title is "Was Eric Clapton A Racist?"...not "Lets All Discuss Things We Say In Private"... two, Eric Clapton didnt say those things in private, he said them in front of hundreds, maybe thousands of people which can incite more racism or racist acts from those in attendance, just like Donald Trump's racist rant against the congresswomen of color...so, it makes zero sense for you to make this about the people who think he is racist, and what they discuss in private...we are not public figures or celebrities, and this thread is not about us...if someone would like to start a thread about that, id gladly participate... [Edited 7/23/19 8:04am]

LOL doesn't matter, If I say sexist bigoted things in private and come on a social media page and judge someone for doing the same thing just public, I'm a hypocrite.

see post #44

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I appreciate you RJOrion

OldFriends4Sale said:

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

LOL doesn't matter, If I say sexist bigoted things in private and come on a social media page and judge someone for doing the same thing just public, I'm a hypocrite.

see post #44

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I appreciate you RJOrion

every question asked about someone else, is "judging someone"...even if you say, "Clapton is not a racist", that is judging him...is that hypocritical? Judge: verb 1. form an opinion or conclusion about. "it is hard to judge whether such opposition is justified" synonyms: form the opinion, come to the conclusion, conclude, decide, determine; consider, believe, think, deem, view; deduce, gather, infer, gauge, tell, see, say, estimate, assess, guess, surmise, conjecture; regard as, hold, see as, look on as, take to be, rate as, rank as, class as, count; informalreckon, figure, guesstimate "I judged that she was simply exhausted" thats what is done in almost EVERY thread...lol..did you go to the thread where various people are psycho-analyzing Prince (despite never meeting him), and say they are hypocrites for "judging" him?...when they surely have/had problems of their own?..of course not... thats what we do in comment and reply sections, we give our opinions...just because they dont agree with yours doesnt make them hypocritical...

ok judging as in condemning

and I'm giving the option of repentance that I would want for myself in any given situation.

OldFriends4Sale said:

kitbradley said:

I don't know much about Eric Clapton but people do evolve. I'm not sure what "W*gs" means? Is it a British term? Whatever it is, I'm sure you can't spell it out on this board.

W_g is a racist term generally directed towards Italians/Sicilians/Greeks/Mediterranean people

A w*g was a term for Afro/Caribbeans

OldFriends4Sale said:

BigBlue1894 said:

I think that you need to understand the difference between the words was and is. I've no idea if Clapton still is a racist although it's quite telling that he's never to my knowledge, apologised for this terrible racist outburst. What's absolutely certain is that he certainly was a racist 40 years ago.

see post #44

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As I said earlier, it's easy to target a public person, but everyone pointing the finger in judgement, lets pull up the recordings of what we've all said in private (off camera lol) in the privacy of your space, with friends and family... prejudiced things, bigoted things, sexist things, homophobic things...

What he said was definitely racist. If you said those things in 1976, you'd also be a racist then. It took Clapton over 40 years to apologise for the outburst.

PennyPurple said:

Eric Clapton has confessed he is still “disgusted” at himself for shouting racist and fascist slogans on stage at a 1976 concert.

More than 40 years ago, the “Layla” rocker stunned fans at a gig in Birmingham, England by launching into a racist tirade, which included him shouting, “Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man.”

During the rant, Clapton used various racist epithets and also praised controversial Conservative politician Enoch Powell.

Footage of the outburst features in a new documentary about his career, “Eric Clapton: A Life in 12 Bars,” and according to the Daily Mail, at a London Q&A session promoting the film, the 72-year-old musician said he was “disgusted” by his past.

“I sabotaged everything I got involved with. I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn’t make sense. Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman and I championed black music,” he continued.

Known for his love of the blues, Clapton was also pals with several leading black musicians, including Jimi Hendrix and B.B. King, who he collaborated with on 2000 album

https://1061thecorner.com/news/030030-eric-clapton-disgusted-by-past-racist-outburst/

Have you actually seen the film?

OldFriends4Sale said:

BigBlue1894 said:

DaveT said: It wasn't actually. It was a word used to refer to black people.

It is a term used toward a wide variety of people. I know it is used in Australia too towards Italians and Greeks.
The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog),

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The origin of the term is unclear. It was first noted by lexicographer F.C. Bowen in 1929, in his Sea Slang: a dictionary of the old-timers' expressions and epithets, where he defines wogs as "lower class Babu shipping clerks on the Indian coast." Many dictionaries - erroneously, and mistakenly -[which?] say "wog" derives from the golliwogg, a blackface minstrel doll character from a children's book, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg by Florence Kate Upton, published in 1895; or from pollywog, a dialect term for tadpole that is used in maritime circles to indicate someone who has not crossed the equator.

Suggestions that the word is an acronym for "wily Oriental gentleman", "working on government service", or similar, are examples of false etymology.

.

Use in British English

"Wog", in the UK, is a derogatory and racially offensive slang word referring to a non-white, Jewish, or darker-skinned European person, including people from the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, other parts of Asia such as the East Indies, or the Mediterranean area, including Southern Europeans. A similar term, wop, has historically been used to refer to Italians.

The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog), appears to date from the First World War but was popularised by George Wigg, Labour MP for Dudley, in 1949 when in a parliamentary debate concerning the Burmese, Wigg shouted at the Conservative benches, "The Honourable Gentleman and his friends think they are all 'wogs'. Indeed, the Right Honourable Member for Woodford [i.e., Winston Churchill] thinks that the 'wogs' begin at Calais."

As reported by English-Jewish journalist Linda Grant, people in England have referred to Jews and Israelis as "wogs", as well.

In Season 1 Episode 6 - 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers (a 1975 British TV show), Major Gowen specifically refers to "wog" as meaning any person from India (when speaking about the India vs England cricket game at the Oval to Basil Fawlty).

Use in Australian English

In Australia, the term "wog" refers to residents of Southern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ethnicity or appearance. The slur became widely diffused with an increase in immigration from Europe and the Levant after the Second World War and the term expanded to include immigrants from the Mediterranean region and the Middle East. These new arrivals were perceived by the majority population as contrasting with the larger predominant Anglo Protestant/Anglo-Australian/Anglo-Celtic Australian culture.

Today, "wog" is used particularly in places in Australia with substantial Southern European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern populations; mainly Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. As with other slang and prima facie profanity used in contemporary Australian English, the term "wog" may be employed either aggressively or affectionately within differing contexts.

In Australian English, "wog" can also be used as a slang word for an illness such as a common cold or influenza, as in: "I'm coming down with a wog". Such usage is not perceived as derogatory.

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Wog is a slang word in the idiom of Australian English and British English. In the UK, it is usually employed as an ethnic or racial slur, and considered derogatory ...

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Another erroneous claim is that it was used in the mid 1800s, with WOGS (meaning Working On Government Service) stencilled on the shirts of Indian workers in ...

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Wog definition, a contemptuous term used to refer to any nonwhite person, especially a dark-skinned native of the Middle East or Southeast Asia. See more.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DyCL_8ogzs

When wog parents give the Talk

You can quote any dictionary you want. I was there in the UK at that time and the word w*g was used for afro/caribbeans. The racists had lots of other words for Italians, Greeks and Pakistanis

It is what it is...

And you read the quote that you posted he was directing the 'Wog' slur at Middle Easterners first, not just Africans as you indicated ie fucking w*g Arab grabbed my wife's bum, F*cking Saudis taking over London. The black w*gs and c**ns and Arabs and f*cking Jamaicans and f*cking… don’t belong here,

BigBlue1894 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is a term used toward a wide variety of people. I know it is used in Australia too towards Italians and Greeks.
The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog),

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The origin of the term is unclear. It was first noted by lexicographer F.C. Bowen in 1929, in his Sea Slang: a dictionary of the old-timers' expressions and epithets, where he defines wogs as "lower class Babu shipping clerks on the Indian coast." Many dictionaries - erroneously, and mistakenly -[which?] say "wog" derives from the golliwogg, a blackface minstrel doll character from a children's book, The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg by Florence Kate Upton, published in 1895; or from pollywog, a dialect term for tadpole that is used in maritime circles to indicate someone who has not crossed the equator.

Suggestions that the word is an acronym for "wily Oriental gentleman", "working on government service", or similar, are examples of false etymology.

.

Use in British English

"Wog", in the UK, is a derogatory and racially offensive slang word referring to a non-white, Jewish, or darker-skinned European person, including people from the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, other parts of Asia such as the East Indies, or the Mediterranean area, including Southern Europeans. A similar term, wop, has historically been used to refer to Italians.

The saying, "The wogs begin at Calais" (implying that everyone who is not British is a wog), appears to date from the First World War but was popularised by George Wigg, Labour MP for Dudley, in 1949 when in a parliamentary debate concerning the Burmese, Wigg shouted at the Conservative benches, "The Honourable Gentleman and his friends think they are all 'wogs'. Indeed, the Right Honourable Member for Woodford [i.e., Winston Churchill] thinks that the 'wogs' begin at Calais."

As reported by English-Jewish journalist Linda Grant, people in England have referred to Jews and Israelis as "wogs", as well.

In Season 1 Episode 6 - 'The Germans' episode of Fawlty Towers (a 1975 British TV show), Major Gowen specifically refers to "wog" as meaning any person from India (when speaking about the India vs England cricket game at the Oval to Basil Fawlty).

Use in Australian English

In Australia, the term "wog" refers to residents of Southern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, and Eastern European ethnicity or appearance. The slur became widely diffused with an increase in immigration from Europe and the Levant after the Second World War and the term expanded to include immigrants from the Mediterranean region and the Middle East. These new arrivals were perceived by the majority population as contrasting with the larger predominant Anglo Protestant/Anglo-Australian/Anglo-Celtic Australian culture.

Today, "wog" is used particularly in places in Australia with substantial Southern European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern populations; mainly Sydney, Melbourne and Adelaide. As with other slang and prima facie profanity used in contemporary Australian English, the term "wog" may be employed either aggressively or affectionately within differing contexts.

In Australian English, "wog" can also be used as a slang word for an illness such as a common cold or influenza, as in: "I'm coming down with a wog". Such usage is not perceived as derogatory.

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Wog is a slang word in the idiom of Australian English and British English. In the UK, it is usually employed as an ethnic or racial slur, and considered derogatory ...

.

Another erroneous claim is that it was used in the mid 1800s, with WOGS (meaning Working On Government Service) stencilled on the shirts of Indian workers in ...

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Wog definition, a contemptuous term used to refer to any nonwhite person, especially a dark-skinned native of the Middle East or Southeast Asia. See more.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DyCL_8ogzs

When wog parents give the Talk

You can quote any dictionary you want. I was there in the UK at that time and the word w*g was used for afro/caribbeans. The racists had lots of other words for Italians, Greeks and Pakistanis

BigBlue1894 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

see post #44

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As I said earlier, it's easy to target a public person, but everyone pointing the finger in judgement, lets pull up the recordings of what we've all said in private (off camera lol) in the privacy of your space, with friends and family... prejudiced things, bigoted things, sexist things, homophobic things...

What he said was definitely racist. If you said those things in 1976, you'd also be a racist then. It took Clapton over 40 years to apologise for the outburst.

was it really, when did he change, who did he talk to etc prior to this recent...

It is what it is, wonderful that people change and can change...

I've seen very dark levels of alcoholism and drug addiction

There are mothers who prostituded themselves because of it, I guess they are forever whores sluts and hookers...

BigBlue1894 said:

I don't know if he's still a racist today. What evidence do those posters who claim that he isn't still a racist have? I'd like to see it please.

That's the thing....no one knows how anyone truly feels, deep down.

BigBlue1894 said:

PennyPurple said:

Eric Clapton has confessed he is still “disgusted” at himself for shouting racist and fascist slogans on stage at a 1976 concert.

More than 40 years ago, the “Layla” rocker stunned fans at a gig in Birmingham, England by launching into a racist tirade, which included him shouting, “Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man.”

During the rant, Clapton used various racist epithets and also praised controversial Conservative politician Enoch Powell.

Footage of the outburst features in a new documentary about his career, “Eric Clapton: A Life in 12 Bars,” and according to the Daily Mail, at a London Q&A session promoting the film, the 72-year-old musician said he was “disgusted” by his past.

“I sabotaged everything I got involved with. I was so ashamed of who I was, a kind of semi-racist, which didn’t make sense. Half of my friends were black, I dated a black woman and I championed black music,” he continued.

Known for his love of the blues, Clapton was also pals with several leading black musicians, including Jimi Hendrix and B.B. King, who he collaborated with on 2000 album

https://1061thecorner.com/news/030030-eric-clapton-disgusted-by-past-racist-outburst/

Have you actually seen the film?

No I have not.