RJOrion said:

Depeche Mode belongs in...are The Police in?...because they DEFINITELY deserve to be...

The Police were inducted in 2003.

https://www.rockhall.com/...ees/police

To call it a "Rock & roll" hall of fame is a stretch with certain artists that have been admitted.

With that said, hell yes Duran Duran should be in there, so should Pat Benetar, T-Rex, Iron Maiden, New Order, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails or Whitney fucking Houston in yet?.

I think recognition of great artists need to happen during their life if possible.

[Edited 4/5/19 18:40pm]

People here talking about Duran Duran, Chaka Khan, Depeche Mode, & Rick James when there's many actual rock music acts that haven't gotten in:

Grand Funk Railroad
Kansas

America

Boston

Rainbow
38 Special

Johnny Rivers

Marshall Tucker Band

Iron Maiden

Joe Cocker

Emerson, Lake & Palmer

Styx

Bad Brains

Kings X

Fanny

Plasmatics

Eddie Money

Blood, Sweat & Tears

Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Toto (the members played on many other acts records too)

Pat Travers Band

Jethro Tull

Foghat

Bus Boys

Fishbone

Edgar & Johnny Winter

Doobie Brothers

Foreigner

Meatloaf

Quicksilver Messenger Service

Supertramp

S2DG said:

Glindathegood said:

S2DG said:

To call it a "Rock & roll" hall of fame is a stretch with certain artists that have been admitted.

With that said, hell yes Duran Duran should be in there, so should Pat Benetar, T-Rex, Iron Maiden, New Order, The Smiths, Nine Inch Nails or Whitney fucking Houston in yet?.

I think recognition of great artists need to happen during their life if possible.

[Edited 4/5/19 18:40pm]

The term rock is being used to indicate all popular music as distinguished from classical and jazz, not rock as a genre of pop music.

Then it should be called the Pop music hall of fame, right?

Not sure why I get hung up with titles, it's like when when people call Disco funk music, it drives me crazy. Now people call all kinds of music funk and I just have to walk away.

S2DG said:

Then it should be called the Pop music hall of fame, right

There's already one of those:

America's Pop Music Hall Of Fame

Country Music Hall Of Fame

Gospel Music Hall Of Fame

Rhythm And Blues Hall Of Fame

Songwriters Hall Of Fame

Latin Songwriters Hall Of Fame

Alabama Music Hall of Fame

Memphis Music Hall Of Fame

Blues Hall Of Fame

Polka Hall Of Fame

The Funk Music Hall of Fame & Exhibition Center

Hip Hop Hall Of Fame

Bluegrass Music Hall of Fame & Museum

Musician's Hall Of Fame

Texas Conjunto Hall Of Fame & Museum

Folk Music Hall Of Fame

Glindathegood said:

The term rock is being used to indicate all popular music as distinguished from classical and jazz, not rock as a genre of pop music.

If that was the case, then they would have inducted Barry Manilow, New Edition, The Carpenters, Lou Rawls, Barbra Striesand, Richard Marx, Celine Dion, Michael Bolton, Garth Brooks, Kenny Rogers, Chic, Dean Martin, Johnny Mathis, Ace Of Base, MC Hammer, Harry Belafonte, Air Supply, Yanni, Gloria Estefan, New Kids On The Block, etc.

MickyDolenz said:

S2DG said:

Then it should be called the Pop music hall of fame, right

There's already one of those:

America's Pop Music Hall Of Fame

Country Music Hall Of Fame

Gospel Music Hall Of Fame

Rhythm And Blues Hall Of Fame

Songwriters Hall Of Fame

Latin Songwriters Hall Of Fame

Alabama Music Hall of Fame

Memphis Music Hall Of Fame

Blues Hall Of Fame

Polka Hall Of Fame

The Funk Music Hall of Fame & Exhibition Center

Hip Hop Hall Of Fame

Bluegrass Music Hall of Fame & Museum

Musician's Hall Of Fame

Texas Conjunto Hall Of Fame & Museum

Folk Music Hall Of Fame

Wow, thanks for putting in the urls!

With that list then I have to wonder WTF? Rock & Roll must be more popular so this becomes a popularity contest rather than based on musical styles.

What do you think Micky?

S2DG said:

Rock & Roll must be more popular so this becomes a popularity contest rather than based on musical styles.

Rock has been the most popular genre (in the USA) for the most part since the late 1950s until maybe the early 2000s. That's when hip hop was on the way to take its spot. Albums by Eminem, Nelly, & OutKast were going diamond (over 10 million sold in the USA). If you look at the biggest selling artists, most of the Top 20 are rock related. Rock albums in general were usually the best sellers in the past. Dark Side Of The Moon remained on the album chart consecutively for over 10 years. Rock albums are also the ones which are more likely to get deluxe reissues, especially boomer era ones like The Beatles, Stones, & Led Zeppelin. Rock has famous logos that a lot of people know what it is without the name of the band being on it like the Rolling Stones tongue, the Eddie monster for Iron Maiden, the KISS makeup, and the Pink Floyd Dark Side album cover. Several Beatles album covers have been copied a lot, especially the Abbey Road one. In the past the major labels spent more promoting rock than other genres, because that is what sold the most. Rock acts were also more likely to have concerts recorded or filmed. It was rock fans who complained about disco taking over in the late 1970s and they had a riot at a baseball game. Not long after that, many Top 40 radio stations stopped playing any music that could be considered disco or at least played less of it, so disco died quickly. It's the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame that has a TV broadcast and gets a lot of media coverage, none of the other halls get that. So a rock hall will get way more attention than a funk, jazz, or R&B museum. It's like some acts will show up to the Grammys or AMAs, but not the BET or Soul Train Awards. But it's never really been just an all rock music museum from the beginning, although rock is most of the focus. I think Aretha Franklin was inducted the first year it opened. The thing is how many people that complain about artists that have been inducted or not actually go to Cleveland Ohio to visit the hall? I don't think that city is a big tourist spot. The induction ceremony itself usually takes place in NYC. I guess they can't a lot of artists to travel to Cleveland.

It's meaningless I suppose, as we all have our own personal R&R HOF via our listening habits.


Queen and Bon Jovi though. Ouch.


https://www.vulture.com/2...worst.html

MickyDolenz said:

Glindathegood said:

Not necessarily. Those artists aren’t in because they aren’t seen as influential enough. Johnny Cash is in and he’s a country artist.

That's not really the critreia. It's who Jann Wenner and the other founders of Rolling Stone magazine think is worthy of induction. How much influence does Ringo Starr's solo records have? All 4 Beatles are inducted as solo acts as well as the band itself. Eric Clapton is inducted 3 times, the only act that has done that so far. I think New Edition or Barbra Striesand has more influence than Percy Sledge or Paul Butterfield Blues Band.

But again its very HIT and MISS and timing now especially as the "pool" of newer artists get smaller they will start grandfathering artists in, I mean for eons Hall and Oates and Heart were not even in the mix. Same goes for Def leppard, and others. But the misses are quite exceptional, I mean Stevie nicks going in twice, while a Rock Female with much more influence Pat Benatar has never seen the ballot.I mean Stevie is cool but her solo stuff is very hit and mostly miss. Pat really put ROCK females in the mix and on the radio but not just "joni mitchell" type rock females, till that point Rock females were Joni and Joan Baez etc..Pat broke the mold and also dealt with a lot of crap from Label and radio people which is probably why she has been kept out. There also is no real criteria with the HOF its kind of like the Grammys rule for Best New Artist, its full of shit, how one year it disqualifies Whitney Houston because she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass and then also disqualifies Richard Marx because he had one song on the soundtrack for "Nothing in Common" a soundtrack no one heard of and a movie very few saw, but then they turn around and nominate Gwen Stefani and Lauryn Hill claiming "Oh they are "new" solo performers" which is not what the rule states, the rule states you can not have recorded prior material. SO BS all the way around.

lastdecember said:

There also is no real criteria with the HOF its kind of like the Grammys rule for Best New Artist, its full of shit, how one year it disqualifies Whitney Houston because she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass and then also disqualifies Richard Marx because he had one song on the soundtrack for "Nothing in Common" a soundtrack no one heard of and a movie very few saw, but then they turn around and nominate Gwen Stefani and Lauryn Hill claiming "Oh they are "new" solo performers" which is not what the rule states, the rule states you can not have recorded prior material. SO BS all the way around.

yeah,it was interesting when Jody Watley won the 'best new artist" Grammy in 1988.R&B fans had been listening to her since 1978,when she was a member of Shalamar

SoulAlive said:

lastdecember said:

There also is no real criteria with the HOF its kind of like the Grammys rule for Best New Artist, its full of shit, how one year it disqualifies Whitney Houston because she had a duet with Teddy Pendergrass and then also disqualifies Richard Marx because he had one song on the soundtrack for "Nothing in Common" a soundtrack no one heard of and a movie very few saw, but then they turn around and nominate Gwen Stefani and Lauryn Hill claiming "Oh they are "new" solo performers" which is not what the rule states, the rule states you can not have recorded prior material. SO BS all the way around.

yeah,it was interesting when Jody Watley won the 'best new artist" Grammy in 1988.R&B fans had been listening to her since 1978,when she was a member of Shalamar

Its a crazy system for that award, Cyndi Lauper won and she too had an album out prior with her band "Blue Angel" should have been disqualified also.

MickyDolenz said:

S2DG said:

Rock & Roll must be more popular so this becomes a popularity contest rather than based on musical styles.

Rock has been the most popular genre (in the USA) for the most part since the late 1950s until maybe the early 2000s. That's when hip hop was on the way to take its spot. Albums by Eminem, Nelly, & OutKast were going diamond (over 10 million sold in the USA). If you look at the biggest selling artists, most of the Top 20 are rock related. Rock albums in general were usually the best sellers in the past. Dark Side Of The Moon remained on the album chart consecutively for over 10 years. Rock albums are also the ones which are more likely to get deluxe reissues, especially boomer era ones like The Beatles, Stones, & Led Zeppelin. Rock has famous logos that a lot of people know what it is without the name of the band being on it like the Rolling Stones tongue, the Eddie monster for Iron Maiden, the KISS makeup, and the Pink Floyd Dark Side album cover. Several Beatles album covers have been copied a lot, especially the Abbey Road one. In the past the major labels spent more promoting rock than other genres, because that is what sold the most. Rock acts were also more likely to have concerts recorded or filmed. It was rock fans who complained about disco taking over in the late 1970s and they had a riot at a baseball game. Not long after that, many Top 40 radio stations stopped playing any music that could be considered disco or at least played less of it, so disco died quickly. It's the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame that has a TV broadcast and gets a lot of media coverage, none of the other halls get that. So a rock hall will get way more attention than a funk, jazz, or R&B museum. It's like some acts will show up to the Grammys or AMAs, but not the BET or Soul Train Awards. But it's never really been just an all rock music museum from the beginning, although rock is most of the focus. I think Aretha Franklin was inducted the first year it opened. The thing is how many people that complain about artists that have been inducted or not actually go to Cleveland Ohio to visit the hall? I don't think that city is a big tourist spot. The induction ceremony itself usually takes place in NYC. I guess they can't a lot of artists to travel to Cleveland.

This here is why I love the Org, people like you, this is well thought out and written.

I'd have to agree with all of this. Corporations and brands are behind the music business and the RRHOF itself.

It has never had anything to do with music and as soon as we can all take our emotions out of the equation the better we all will be. While I still think artists need recognition, if this is all we have I guess it's better than nothing.

I can tell you has someone who made the journey the Cleveland, OH, I was left with a bad taste in my mouth as a musician and music freak. So many people missing, then the cost to get in and finally what does Jim Morrison's high school report card have to do with Rock & Roll?

Duran Duran are a singles band for me; well, singles + the full Rio album. They deserve to be in the Hall of Fame as much as anyone else though. Imagine Spandau Ballet got in before them purely on the strength of True?

D double for the Hall for sure. i don't follow it much so don't know who in the EFF Spandau and The Cure got in before them. ESP not the former. anywho, they still gets much play! EFF the Hall

datdude said:

i don't follow it much so don't know who in the EFF Spandau and The Cure got in before them. ESP not the former.

They're not inducted. Maybe if there was a Sampling Hall Of Fame, they might get in because I've heard True in several songs

Grand Funk--it is a crime they r not in

StrangeButTrue said:

SoulAlive said:

StrangeButTrue said: A one-hit wonder?! Pat Benatar is the queen of 80s rock.Powerful voice and she influenced other female artists that came later (Pink,for example).

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She has 3, maybe 4 big songs: Love Is A Battlefield, Hit Me, We Belong and Heartbreaker.

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I never understood the disdain on the .org for Duran Duran, a real band with members that contribute equally. Solid hits, tight band, longevity/consistency. Rio alone had as many memorable hits as Benatar had in her whole career.

uh, yeah, you forgot Treat Me Right, Precious Time, A Little Too Late, You Better Run, Fire And Ice, Shadows of the Night, Invincble...

Khan is the one hit wonder, a couple of soul hits and not rock n roll in the least

MickyDolenz said:

People here talking about Duran Duran, Chaka Khan, Depeche Mode, & Rick James when there's many actual rock music acts that haven't gotten in:

Grand Funk Railroad
Kansas

America

Boston

Rainbow
38 Special

Johnny Rivers

Marshall Tucker Band

Iron Maiden

Joe Cocker

Emerson, Lake & Palmer

Styx

Bad Brains

Kings X

Fanny

Plasmatics

Eddie Money

Blood, Sweat & Tears

Bachman-Turner Overdrive

Toto (the members played on many other acts records too)

Pat Travers Band

Jethro Tull

Foghat

Bus Boys

Fishbone

Edgar & Johnny Winter

Doobie Brothers

Foreigner

Meatloaf

Quicksilver Messenger Service

Supertramp

amen...

Musician9 said:

Khan is the one hit wonder, a couple of soul hits and not rock n roll in the least

MickyDolenz said:

Musician9 said:

Khan is the one hit wonder, a couple of soul hits and not rock n roll in the least

Chaka mad?

Chaka real mad...