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Reply #30 posted 03/23/19 6:41pm

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^^I'd guess that people who had read the book or seen their Behind The Music episode or an interview will already know what the group is like lol

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Reply #31 posted 03/23/19 10:07pm

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The Dirt (2019) I think if you are just getting into the group, this film is a good introduction. However, 1 hr and 48 minutes is just not enough time to cover the entire Motley Crue saga, and after watching it, I felt entertained but short changed at the same time. Sure the cast was excellent, especially Machine Gun Kelly who played Tommy Lee (My favorite scenes in the movie was the scene where Tommy was describing how his day would go tv ) and Iwan Rheon who played Mick Mars, and I loved the end credits showing the split-screen comparisons between the real Crue and the movie Crue. But I also noticed a lot of things that divates from the book, which is covered in this article Fact-Checking Mötley Crüe’s Netflix Movie ‘The Dirt’ https://www.rollingstone....ck-808838/

For example “7. Tommy Didn’t Meet Heather Locklear The Night of Vince’s Car Accident


In the movie, Lee meets Heather Locklear at a house party the night of Neil’s drunken car crash that killed Hanoi Rocks drummer Nicholas “Razzle” Dingley. They actually met backstage at an REO Speedwagon concert after his accountant introduced them. The movie does get right, however, that he initially confused her with Heather Thomas from The Fall Guy."
I also noticed the music playing in the background of Neil's car accident scene, it was I Can't Wait by Nu Shooz.......but that song was released in 1986, not in 1984!


I give The Dirt a 3 out of 5 popcorn while listening to Dr Feelgood....now why wasn't this song and video featured it the film?



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Reply #32 posted 03/24/19 7:35am

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It appears Nikki has borrowed the bad wigs from the movie and put them on top of his noggin. lol

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Reply #33 posted 03/24/19 7:44am

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TrivialPursuit said:



djThunderfunk said:


The movie was excellent. It did everything right that Bohemian Rhapsody did wrong. They went with reality instead of a sugar coated puff piece and weren't afraid to let themselves look like assholes. Lots of people who know nothing about the band will come away from this movie hating them for sure.




I loved the movie. Yesterday was my birthday, so it was a good birthday present. I went to Target to get the soundtrack. I refuse to watch Bohemian Rhapsody because of how they portrayed Freddie having AIDS and knowing about it during LiveAid. It's about 5 years too early for that.

Anyway, The Dirt touched on the bigger moments in the band's history, and kept the timeline going at a good pace. They broke the 4th wall a couple of times, which reminded me of I, Tonya. It worked, though. I'm glad they didn't concentrate on trying to recreate concert performances and stuck to the back stories. The Ozzy story was great to see, and that's what happened. Nikki noted how studios wanted them to water stuff (like that) down and they refused. Netflix told them, "Make your movie, whatever it is", and they did. The timeline element w/ Mick's hip replacement seemed out of nowhere, and the reasoning around it (their eventual reunion as a 4some again) wasn't touched on, although they did touch on Corabi's hiring quickly. That section seemed a tad jumbled, but it could still make sense. Mick's condition was noted early on, so the hip replacement made sense; almost like notes of his condition bookended a stretch of time.

Machine Gun Kelly as Tommy Lee - he nailed it. Tommy's walk, his head movements, solid. Mick came across as a total crank, but he probably is in real life to some extent. Him being older gave him a different perspective, but for some reason he stuck with the kids in the band. He was a crank, but he wasn't stupid. I wish they had delved just a tad more into Nikki hiding in his closet, paranoid and high as fuck. They did show that, but I wanted deeper darkness to that. I thought one of the voices on the answering machine would be Vanity, but I never heard her name anyway. The Nikki & Vince characters were good but sort of paled in comparison to Tommy's over the top personality.

I do have to say, some of the wigs were not great on the actors. But then again, hair wasn't great in the 80s.

That opening shot, though! You know you're in for a ride with that opening sequence before the title card goes up. (Don't spoil it.)

I'm not sure non-fans would hate them. People aren't oblivious to a rock band's antics.

I felt bad about Nikki's parents. What a bunch of assholes. It's a glaring juxtaposition to Tommy coming from a more stable home. Skylar's sickness was a tough sequence, too. Vince must have felt like life was kicking his ass during all that time. And frankly, it probably was to some extent. They all had their ass kicked: Nikki with dying, Tommy with his bullshit, Mick w/ his condition, and Vince with Skylar's death.



Have to disagree on that on the QUEEN thing, it’s not 5 years too early, that would be 1990 and Freddie was already dieing, one doctor said and to all accounts The Miracle album was going to be the last. But then because touring or playing live was not going to happen they went back to the studio did innuendo then kept working. As for him knowing, all accounts show that he knew in 1986 at some point, and in 1985 he may have had the first sign of it, he was told not to perform at Live Aid by doctors for a throat condition which some have speculated could have been the first sign. But in 1986 had a wound on his leg that would not heal and that’s when he was diagnosed, this wound and leg is confirmed by Brian May years later when the band knew Freddie showed this horrible effect to Brian and Brian had to look away and Freddie apologized for doing that to Brian. So live Aid is questionable but it’s hollywood and they will do things to magnify a situation. There are many in Purple Rain and I have heard a lot of the Dirt is not correct.

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Reply #34 posted 03/24/19 8:09am

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MickyDolenz said:

^^I'd guess that people who had read the book or seen their Behind The Music episode or an interview will already know what the group is like lol


And they’d enjoy a representation on screen
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Reply #35 posted 03/24/19 7:41pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

MickyDolenz said:

^^I'd guess that people who had read the book or seen their Behind The Music episode or an interview will already know what the group is like lol

And they’d enjoy a representation on screen

yeahthat the film was a sanitized history of the group.

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Reply #36 posted 03/26/19 9:22pm

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A slew of interviews out there, some with Tommy, most all with Nikki. Vince is nowhere to be seen. I am not sure why. Is the movie tough to watch with the stuff he endured? I don't know.

One interesting note I saw in an interview with Pete Mitchell, Nikki said his mother used to date Richard Pryor, and they couldn't get into restaurants because he was black and she was white. He was a little kid and just never understood what the big deal was back then.

Also interesting he was born in 1958 like the three greats of the 80s. We've lost two of them, yet Nikki's died what - two times - and he's still alive. Amazing how some made it through, and some didn't.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #37 posted 03/26/19 9:34pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

A slew of interviews out there, some with Tommy, most all with Nikki. Vince is nowhere to be seen. I am not sure why. Is the movie tough to watch with the stuff he endured? I don't know.

One interesting note I saw in an interview with Pete Mitchell, Nikki said his mother used to date Richard Pryor, and they couldn't get into restaurants because he was black and she was white. He was a little kid and just never understood what the big deal was back then.

Also interesting he was born in 1958 like the three greats of the 80s. We've lost two of them, yet Nikki's died what - two times - and he's still alive. Amazing how some made it through, and some didn't.



Vince was portrayed well. I think they all made sure they all came out looking well rock n’roll wise. It’s a short little fluff piece of a movie with a little sex and debauchery thrown in.
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Reply #38 posted 03/29/19 8:55pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TrivialPursuit said:

A slew of interviews out there, some with Tommy, most all with Nikki. Vince is nowhere to be seen. I am not sure why. Is the movie tough to watch with the stuff he endured? I don't know.

One interesting note I saw in an interview with Pete Mitchell, Nikki said his mother used to date Richard Pryor, and they couldn't get into restaurants because he was black and she was white. He was a little kid and just never understood what the big deal was back then.

Also interesting he was born in 1958 like the three greats of the 80s. We've lost two of them, yet Nikki's died what - two times - and he's still alive. Amazing how some made it through, and some didn't.

Vince was portrayed well. I think they all made sure they all came out looking well rock n’roll wise. It’s a short little fluff piece of a movie with a little sex and debauchery thrown in.

yeahthat casting of the Crue was spot on thumbs up!

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Reply #39 posted 04/03/19 4:47pm

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Were we all watching the same movie? I've been a bigger than I'd like to admit Crue head for quite some time, and that movie was mostly... pretty goddamn awful. The casting for the band was impeccable, but the actual script itself was infuriating for me. None of the time lines made sense, they gave fuckin Pete Davidson way more screen time for a guy that really wasn't THAT significant in the book, and I'd wager the real Tom Zutuat would agree. They also got the facts wrong. Lee didn't meet Heather at the party Vince and Razzle left to get booze for, the band did NOT get back together so quickly after Skylar's death (and Jesus man, they actually used some of the dialogue Vince said to Tommy in a drunken stupor as something he said to the band themselves? That's low), and holy shit did they totally paint right over the Corabi years and his very significant input during that era. That 94 album they did is still their best and clearly most musically accomplished lp.
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Look, I know my fanboy colors are showing, but the book is suuuuch an amazing and awesome read. You may not like the band, or the members themselves and I wouldn't blame you for thinking that (except for Mick Mars. He's the only member pretty much universally respected and the only one who hasn't made a fool of himself multiple times in public). But that book? There's just something magical about it and how it was executed. It's format and how most of the source material was explained from each member's view was genius. And this is why the movie failed for me. And really, a two hour movie for a book that dense and that crazy? Doomed to fail, doomed to be picked apart by dorks like me with too much time on their overly critical hands. This could have been incredible if it were given a 6-7 episode mini series. But the film has some great one liners though ("Hey man, muzzle that!"). Overall, 3/10. And one more thing and I promise I'm done: The Doc McGee arc and why he was fired in the movie almost made me pull a Motley Crue and throw my TV out the window. The fucking balls of the screen writers, man.
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Reply #40 posted 04/03/19 6:03pm

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kygermo said:

This could have been incredible if it were given a 6-7 episode mini series.

Other than BET, who does music miniseries? They had a 3 night one for New Edition & a 2 night one for Bobby Brown. There were the ones from the 1990s for The Jacksons & The Temptations on NBC I think. There was a telenovela series about Celia Cruz a few years ago. But since it was a soap, probably not that factual, like historical fiction.

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Reply #41 posted 04/03/19 7:41pm

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kygermo said:


This could have been incredible if it were given a 6-7 episode mini series.



Other than BET, who does music miniseries? They had a 3 night one for New Edition & a 2 night one for Bobby Brown. There were the ones from the 1990s for The Jacksons & The Temptations on NBC I think. There was a telenovela series about Celia Cruz a few years ago. But since it was a soap, probably not that factual, like historical fiction.


Well, considering it was Netflix that ultimately got the rights, them. It's just...in my humble opinion of course, the project had incredible potential. So incredible, in fact, that a 2 hour standard movie format wasn't really conducive to get the batshit craziness of the book across. But hey, they were given the hand they were dealt and in turn just totally shit the bed by releasing the convoluted, disorganized final product we all just watched. I really wanted to like this movie, my expectations weren't impossibly high and I was totally stoked to finally watch it. But holy shit I did not expect this disaster, and I say that with everything else I've already expressed with zero arrogance.
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Reply #42 posted 04/03/19 9:05pm

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Watched it again (3rd time) tonight.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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