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Here is an amazing response on Quora by a person called Marina Gkane that really sums up everything there is to know about Robson and the current situation:
https://www.quora.com/How...-Neverland [Edited 1/30/19 8:40am] | |
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Billions, actually. They sued the Estate for 1,5 Billions. They tried and tried and, when it didn't work out, they said "You'll see" and went on to do the doc. According to Finaldi, they will keep trying to sue. He even says he wants a trial Obviously, they'll go nowhere legally as they were rejected already twice. They will keep on slandering Michael hoping the Estate will give them money under the table in an attempt to shut them up for good. They started the child porn stories, are constantly feeding RadarOnline slanderous articles on MJ and so on trying to get the Estate to take desperate (monetary) measures. But, then again, I don't know if they'll go anywhere since the maximum damage has been done. | |
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ItsLetoyaBaby said:
I think that has to do with growing up
What do you mean by the bolded part? [Edited 1/30/19 8:17am] Yeah I guess I outgrew the level of fandom though I still do care. By the bolder part I meant he was a good distraction but his issues became distracting eventually. It used to hurt but that’s old news. And aw thanks for understanding [Edited 1/30/19 10:53am] | |
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When we were young and didn't have much to worry about MJ was our world. With time we get some perspective and move on though we still admire him and see him as a part of our life story 
Or, maybe depending on whether he coincided with a negative or positive part of our story so will he react to him latter.
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From everything I read about the film; this is going to be hard for me, a life long fan. Apparently the evidence, the descriptions, the memories are all overwhelming, and everyone present found them authentic. Ooof. . I wonder about my own willingness to overlook what was right in my face, because he made so much music I loved. I guess in my heart of hearts, I hoped the accusations were about slumber parties gone awry, where he stupidly played doctor, or some nonsense. Today, even that scenario seems out of bounds. WHAT WAS HE DOING SLEEPING WITH THOSE KIDS? And why have I been more or less okay with it for the past 20 years? . Regarding the accusers: I can understand why they would lie under oath. I empathize with the confusion of trauma. What I don't understand is this: Wade is saying, today, that he 100% is doing this to help other victims. That's noble. But he's only saying that after he sued the estate for an huge ammount of money, and had that lawsuit thrown out of court. So which is it? Is he mostly interested in helping others, or is he interested in helping others because he couldn't get his money? If he had gotten his money, would he still be helping others? How low is this guy's character? And if the answer is ... very low ... can I believe his story? . Confusing times. I guess I'll have to watch the doc, and see how it strikes me. But I can't listen to the music anymore. His voice makes me cringe. "In the Closet", anyone? Jesus, it makes me sick.
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Mintchip said: From everything I read about the film; this is going to be hard for me, a life long fan. Apparently the evidence, the descriptions, the memories are all overwhelming, and everyone present found them authentic. Ooof. . I wonder about my own willingness to overlook what was right in my face, because he made so much music I loved. I guess in my heart of hearts, I hoped the accusations were about slumber parties gone awry, where he stupidly played doctor, or some nonsense. Today, even that scenario seems out of bounds. WHAT WAS HE DOING SLEEPING WITH THOSE KIDS? And why have I been more or less okay with it for the past 20 years? . Regarding the accusers: I can understand why they would lie under oath. I empathize with the confusion of trauma. What I don't understand is this: Wade is saying, today, that he 100% is doing this to help other victims. That's noble. But he's only saying that after he sued the estate for an huge ammount of money, and had that lawsuit thrown out of court. So which is it? Is he mostly interested in helping others, or is he interested in helping others because he couldn't get his money? If he had gotten his money, would he still be helping others? How low is this guy's character? And if the answer is ... very low ... can I believe his story? . Confusing times. I guess I'll have to watch the doc, and see how it strikes me. But I can't listen to the music anymore. His voice makes me cringe. "In the Closet", anyone? Jesus, it makes me sick.
That must be really hard, it was odd hearing his voice after his death because of the nature of his death, especially with his darker material. I do think wade is lying though in general outside of this matter, I respect survivors for speaking out [Edited 1/30/19 11:45am] | |
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I've been reading about this documentary for a week or two now. I've definitely had an open mind given how things about so many celebrities have come to light over the last couple of years, and part of changing the culture is changing your mindset.
I just read an interview about this on the Huffington Post, and I have one major issue; the director seems to keep calling the men children (for obvious reasons, but they are not children anymore), and seems to say "Jackson did this and I just set out to tell the story". He says he reached out to people and did research, but he's vague about what that is, and the reason for that is some of the people he refers to and the stories he mentions in the interview are known liars. In regards to Chandler, we constantly hear about a payoff - its one of the most common arguments we hear about - but its conveniently left out that Jackson himself did not pay that money.
Obviously, another major issue is that Jackson is dead, and the hook for this film seems to be the graphic details that are mentioned in the film. That doesn't lend any more credence to the allegations. I keep hearing the R. Kelly series brought up and hear about Cosby - two things, Cosby gave testimony about doing what he's accused of (whether that testimony should have been unsealed is another discussion), and R. Kelly was on video. Despite a ten year surveillance period, there was never any corroborating evidence on MJ.
Essentially - and I will still watch the film with an open mind - it's still the same song and dance with more graphic descriptions. The interview just left me doubting the director's motive because it looks like he seems a tad biased and I figured he was originally a neutral, uninterested party looking to give these two guys a platform. Anything is possible, and this could be a mystery we may never know, I just find it hard to believe that Jackson could get a kid he abused to be a corroborating witness as an adult. I find it hard to believe he was that big of a manipulative mastermind hiding in plain site. But the whole #MeToo thing has you second-guessing everything.
He also says the kids were cast aside once they becamse teens, and that is not true... Will have to watch it to properly judge it.
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I'm a lifelong MJ fan but this is a lot! Like many have said, it feels like they're treading the same ground just being more graphic with the descriptions. Of course I'll reserve full judgement until after I see the film. Based on reading up on '05 trial and the history of the families of the accusers, I've always felt Michael was the victim. There's one thing though that I've never been clear on and I hear mixed things about it......Going back to '93 and Jordan drawing/identifying blemishes/discoloration on MJ's penis. Is that true or not?? If so, how can that possibly be explained?? [Edited 1/30/19 13:23pm] | |
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Cloudbuster said:
And that Jordy's mother admitted at Jackson's trial that she hadn't seen her son for 11 years and that at no time did she feel that Jackson was a threat to her son. Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge. That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child. . What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped. MJ destroyed the Chandler family. . Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist. Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him. . |
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No, it didn’t match. And the fact mj wasn’t circumcised though jordy said he was | |
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RODSERLING said: Cloudbuster said:
And that Jordy's mother admitted at Jackson's trial that she hadn't seen her son for 11 years and that at no time did she feel that Jackson was a threat to her son. Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge. That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child. . What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped. MJ destroyed the Chandler family. . Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist. Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him. . I agree getting close to that family was foolish. I’ve also heard the theory that June and mj were seeing each other which I find hard to believe and a weak argument just because she got gifts from mj. If anything that argument is worse It’s saddening that he didn’t learn from any of this. Did he associate being on tour like being with his brothers on the road and kids and their families that he befriended gave the same kind of vibe? Makes you wonder right? I’m not saying he did it, just that he had poor boundaries in general with everyone and had a poor sense that got him taken advantage of too many times, that I can see why people who cared in the first place backed away cause he must have been defensive and stubborn. Even the first magic and the madness mentioned he was warned after he bought a gift [Edited 1/30/19 13:51pm] | |
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And why did the Chandler's persue a civil settlement and not a criminal investigation? Why did two grand juries determine that there were no grounds for prosecution? What do you know that the authorities didn't know? | |
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so what boy did he supposedly marry?? and who would perform such a sick ceremony? NAMBLA?? | |
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Cloudbuster said:
And why did the Chandler's persue a civil settlement and not a criminal investigation? Why did two grand juries determine that there were no grounds for prosecution? What do you know that the authorities didn't know? ALL good points, plus he Used sodium amaytl on his son, unethical | |
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luvsexy4all said: so what boy did he supposedly marry?? and who would perform such a sick ceremony? NAMBLA?? I think jimmy made that claim cause he liked jewelry. | |
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He took that story from Victor Gutierrez's book. | |
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ItsLetoyaBaby said:
He took that story from Victor Gutierrez's book. Didn’t know that, thanks. I thought I once saw a pic of mj in the bad era at a jewelry store though I’m not 100 percent sure it was one. He had on a black and red coat with a gold chain, can someone verify? | |
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Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge. That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child. . What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped. MJ destroyed the Chandler family. . Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist. Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him. .
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Also, apparently MJ was constantly giving LMP jewelry. And, if we are to believe Randy J Taraborreli or whatever the biographer's name is, he liked her to wear it...in bed. | |
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Apparently Evan was a distant father, never giving two shits about the boy until Mr. Money Bags came into the family. | |
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Reading that interview again, and its lines like this that bother me;
"The film very humbly just focuses on what we know and tells a story about people I met and people who were willing to go on camera very bravely, and that’s where it stops." https://bit.ly/2Gcfj5l
This is not a story about what the director or the viewers will "know". This is what they believe or don't believe. Only the accusers/MJ know what happened.
What we do know, given the handful of accusers and the graphic details, this stuff happened or it didn't. There's no gray area. He was an abuser or falsely accused.
I think the director would be better served by selling this as a story about a couple of adults who are trying to come forward with their story and letting the viewers decide, but he seems to be of the opinion he's been privy to a smoking gun and went forward with this documentary based on that. Even if he simply said "I believe them", that would sound better than selling this is a fact-based documentary as if its now an open and closed case. | |
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luvsexy4all said: so what boy did he supposedly marry?? and who would perform such a sick ceremony? NAMBLA?? All of this cones from the pages of a book by the pedophile /NAMBLA advocate, Victor Guiterrez. The perverted allegations of Safechuck is basically a script word for word from Guiterrez’s book. Guiterrez endorses man/boy sex and he claimed the first accuser “married” Michael. Safechuck is using the EXACT pedophilic fantasy in his fake accusations. This book by the NAMBLA advocate, is really what Robson and Safechuck based their entire LIE on. Michael sued this coward, Guiterrez for libel and slander. MJ won a 2.7 million settlement against the pedophile Victor Guiterrez. Guiterrez, ran off to Chile and never paid the settlement. His hands are all over this mockumentary, because Robson and Safechuck are using Guitierrez script word for word. | |
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THATs important information to know it’s recycling the lie, I didn’t really know what was in the book other than knowing he was sued | |
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RODSERLING said: What motivates Robson and the other guy to pass for victims of a pedophile in front of the whole wide world, in front of their children, their wives, etc.? . Why would they humiliate themselves and a music legend if it were not true? . This is way beyond a guy that launch a lawsuit for money. These are 2 guys that are claiming for 6 years they were raped, to the point they are making a movie about it. . And don't tell me the movie is going to make money. It won't be released in theaters, TV...Maybe VOD, but who is going to pay for this kind of documentary ? Truth is that their claims cost them money and their reputations. . So why would they fuck up their lives and their children ? [Edited 1/29/19 22:59pm] [Edited 1/29/19 23:02pm] Seriously, I can’t believe you would ask such a pathetic question. $$$ is what’s Motivating these scam artists. Why else would Robson sue for $$$ after he didn’t get the job for the Cirque Solelil show? We have of Robson talking about this project and positively beaming and praying Michael as the best person in the world. He said represented everything good. Oops, Wade SUDDENLY realizes he has been Been violently raped EVERDAY for 7 fucking years. Wow, this 37 year old man claims he never realized that being raped was about sex. Give me a break, who is that damn stupid, to believe thst shit? This coward was on the witness stand as a 24 year old man and he went through a brutal cross examination and didn’t bring up any of this. He even invited Michael and his kids to his home for dinner. Robson became close to the family and dated One or two of Michael’s nieces. Where was the outrage against Michael? You can bet your life that if he had gotten the Cirque project, he would have never filed a 1 billion lawsuit against the Estate. When that was thrown out by a judge, he shopped a book. No one wanted to publish it. Btw, I forgot to mention that Robson and his wife used Neverland as location for a film he was working on before a Michael’s death. He thanked Michael for allowing him to use the most “beautiful and peaceful” place on earth. Would any of you purported victims want to be using the scene of your alleged abuse for a movie you and your spouse were making? Some of you are so eager for these sick perverted claims to be true, that you don’t care about all of the proof that all of this about $$$ and is based on lies. | |
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Tuls101 said: I'm a lifelong MJ fan but this is a lot! Like many have said, it feels like they're treading the same ground just being more graphic with the descriptions. Of course I'll reserve full judgement until after I see the film. Based on reading up on '05 trial and the history of the families of the accusers, I've always felt Michael was the victim. There's one thing though that I've never been clear on and I hear mixed things about it.....Going back to '93 and Jordan drawing/identifying blemishes/discoloration on MJ's penis. Is that true or not?? If so, how can that possibly be explained?? [Edited 1/30/19 13:23pm] All of the graphic SCRIPT came from a known NAMBLA member, Victor Guitierrez. Guiterrez glorifies man/boy sex. Robson and Safechuck used basically the same graphic text from this book. EVERYthing they are saying, is almost word for word from this NAMBLA member, even down to the mock “wedding”. However, Guiterrez claimed in 1993 thst it was Jordan Chandler who “married” Michael. Safechuck used the exact same “wedding” in his claims. See this is the kind of things that NAMBLA members advocate. Guiterrez’s book was used in 1993, 2005 and now in 2019, in order to shock people into believing this shit. | |
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Didn’t Safechuck and his family praise Michael and/or refute what’s in the book at some point? I’m sure there were photos from bad era shared with mike being praised few years ago [Edited 1/30/19 18:24pm] | |
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RODSERLING said: Concerning Jordan Chandler, MJ had a strange and disgusting behaviour towards him. . Whatever you believe the molestations accusations or not, you have to confess it wasn't a normal behaviour. . He stated all day long "I love you". He phoned him day and night. He spent nights with him. He wanted the child to follow him everywhere around the world on tour. . Michael knew more than anybody what psychological damages it could cause to expose a child to show business. Hell, he even wrote songs about it. But he nevertheless exposed Jordan Chandler to the show business, which is beyond crazy. . He tried to fuck up his education with his parents. He offered him things his parents couldn't afford. . When he couldn't see him, he broke in tears and begged his mother and the child- him, a billionaire music legend - to just see him. . While what I listed is not criminal in itself, you must admit that in term of morality this is highly questionable, that the situation went way too far, and that it should be put to a term. . And clearly, Michael didn't want to put the situation to a term. He wasn't being more reasonable, he wasn't questioning his behaviour , he didn't want to accept a "No" from anybody.l . If I were the parents, I would have probably made a lawsuit against him, and I m the biggest fan on earth, and love everything from Big Boy to We be had enough. . [Edited 1/29/19 23:28pm] What you are saying didn’t come from the mother, it came from a tabloid “journalist” Dian Demon. She came up with shit. FTR, the mom said that she knew nothing about these allegations until get Ex-husband told her about it. Let’s not forget that her ex husband had been badgering Michael to help him finance a Hollywood film project. Michael wouldn’t do it. Chandler was also angry that Michael was spending time with his ex-wife,June. He was even more upset when he saw June, Jordan and his sister at the World Music Awards together. It is said by people in the know, thst June was the one in Michael’s bed. Both children sat in Michael’s lap during the award show. However, the media CONVENIENTLY edited that part out. I watched and recorded this entire show. After Michael’s appearance with June and the children, tabloid hacks like D.Demon went into tabloid overdrive with all of the bullshit stories that you are regurgitating. D. Demon was the perpetrator of these claims and I have no doubt that this hack is involved in this latest scam. | |
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PatrickS77 said: Here is an amazing response on Quora by a person called Marina Gkane that really sums up everything there is to know about Robson and the current situation:
https://www.quora.com/How...-Neverland [Edited 1/30/19 8:40am] Wow!!!Amazing, rational, well-documented research based on 100% FACTS. You don’t have to be a Michael Jackson to see the common sense logic and evidence in this response. I read other responses that showed the same acute awareness of the evidence band facts. Thank you for posting this. | |
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RODSERLING said:[quote] Cloudbuster said:
And that Jordy's mother admitted at Jackson's trial that she hadn't seen her son for 11 years and that at no time did she feel that Jackson was a threat to her son. Evan Chandler only explains he wants to take revenge. That could well be a revenge because MJ raped his child “Chandler didn’t want revenge, he wanted money to destroy Michael. I don’t know about you, but there is no fucking way, I would have allowed my child’s purported abuser to get away and not file criminal charges. Do you know this son of a bitch NEVER filed criminal charges against Michael. He only filed civil charges, because that’s all he wanted anyway. The settlement(which was paid by an insurance company, because Michael refused to pay a penny) did NOT stop Chandler from filing criminal charges. Of course, Chandler didn’t want a trial, because he knew that Michael never abused Jordan. He took the settlement. Now answer me, would you allowed your son/daughter’s abuser to get away? I would have gone through hell to get my child’s abuser put away. That tape of Chandler saying that if “ I go through with this...he won’t sell another record and I win big”,and then laughing about it? Where on that tale do you hear outrage about his son being raped? People like you always have an excuse, why you WANT to find Michael guilty. Do you even know that Jordan Chandler ended up hating his father for what he forced him into doing.He didn’t end up hating Michael. Jordan asked for emancipation from both his mother and father because of their involvement in this scam. Chandler even tried to kill Jordan. It was in the news everywhere. Evan Chandler committed suicide. I guess his conscience fucked him up over the evil deeds toward Michael. When June Chandler was callec to testify, she couldn’t even look at Michael and geared up because she knew 100% that she had gone along with this scam. She also added that she hadn’t heard from or seen her son in 11 years. Do you need anymore proof the 1993 accusations were as much bullsit as the 2005 and the latest scam. As I have repeatedly said, you don’t have to be a genius, to know that these allegations are a load of shit. All you have to do is use common sense.” . What MJ did with Jordan Chandler was morally wrong, and this embarrassing situation needed to be stopped. MJ destroyed the Chandler family. “ That’s a LIE. June and Evan were already going through a divorce before Michael was even involved with this family. Evan Chandler destroyed this family with his greed and by forcing his son to lie with the use of drug by planting things in his psyche. Read the article “ Was Michael Jackson Framed? You will find out everything that you need to know about this scam. It will definently give you FACTs, instead of the innuendo and gossip that you have been posting in this thread.” Anybody who thinks that what Michael did with Jordan is normal, needs to consult a psychologist. Jordan Chandler was not a sick child in terminal phase, he wasn't an orphan, he wasn't poor. He didn't need MJ in his life, and MJ had no reason to take care of him. “ The only thing wrong is Michael was too trusting. June Chandler wanted Michael in her and children’s life. Have you seen the footage of June’s smile when he was holding her hand as she and her children were moving through the crowds. Michael was taking care of June and her kids because he wanted her. Evan Chandler couldn’t handle he fact that his ex wife wanted to be around Michael instead of him. June aggrevated things by not allowing Jordan to visit his father on visitation days. Chandler blamed Michael for that. Chandler tried to reconcile with June, but she wasn’t having that. Honestly, who would want Evan Chandler after being with Michael Jackson. Bottomline s that Evan Chandler fucked up his own family because of greed, jealousy and egomania. That’s why his own son didn’t want to have anything to do with him after the false accusations. That’s why Jordan has not spoken to his mother in over 20 yeRs. June only went along with this because she was threatened with losing custody of both of her children if she didn’t go along with thIs scam of E Chandler. Jordan never forgave his mother or father. However, I still think he is a fucking coward for not coming forward to rebuke these accusations. [Edited 1/30/19 19:17pm] [Edited 1/30/19 19:23pm] [Edited 1/30/19 19:57pm] | |
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