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billboard year end issue no rnb album listed have u notice that in the hip/hop rnb album chart there is no rnb album its all hip/hop so i'm guessing is that rnb music is dead,or billboard has not a single album qualify's as a rnb album | |
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I believe things were better when it was called the "black" chart.
A lot of people say it was racist to go by that name but it honestly gauged our musical tastes better. It wasn't out of the ordinary to see songs and LPs of other genres besides R&B, soul and funk appearing on the black charts. The vast majority of them didn't chart high but the fact that they made a mark there was evidence enough of their appeal to a black audience. By using the chart to specifically measure the popularity of hip hop and R&B, naturally only those genres will be present. And since hip hop has become the most dominant international genre in history and R&B has only waned in popularity (and/or arguably been underutilized) compared to last decade and decades prior, this is the result. If anything, it's racist that they renamed the black chart "Hip Hop/R&B". It implies that's the only kind of music black people listen to when both the past and present have proven that to be ignorantly false. [Edited 12/26/18 16:12pm] | |
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Also, if you could, could you please post pictures or provide a link to this? | |
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Billboard is about as relevant as a rotary telephone in 2018. . . "Hello Billboard? I would like to report a duopoly circle jerk I noticed in your year-end issue." [Edited 12/26/18 7:58am] if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2 | |
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We need an R&B comeback. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Doesn't Billboard have a seperate album listing for R&B albums outside of the R&B/Hip-Hop listings? I believe it's for the veteran R&B acts. I remember reading a couple of weeks ago that Mariah's "Caution" held the number one spot on that listing and then was replaced by her "Merry Christmas" album. Would that listing have a year end chart also? "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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Keep Calm & Listen To Prince | |
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Problem is RB died a long time ago, at least the RB i can remember. You know when RB bands existed. Its funny everytime i bring this up someone says what about Mint Condition? Seriously, Mint Condition is three decades old now and they are trouded out everytime someone says dont RB bands exist or play anymore. My problem with RB goes back to the 90's as it does WITH ALOT of music, some people call it a great decade I see it as the end of a lot great things. RB and even Dance Music, you had Freestylin Acts coming out of the 80's like LISA LISA and the Cover Girls all riding on hits and then corporate people saying "Hey lets slap a rapper on you and remix that shit" and as soon as it sold Like it did with Mariah Carey and others your RB genre was gone. Brian Mcknight couldnt make a move singing without labels saying how about hoooking up with so and so and lets get this to radio, and people bought it by the shit loads so honestly you reap what you sow. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Not really. Technically there is, but it's the same as the main R&B/Hip Hop chart, except the rap albums are left off and vice versa for the rap albums chart. For example, this week on the R&B only album chart Mariah Carey's Merry Christmas album is #1, but is #6 on the R&B/Hip Hop chart. The #1 is identical on the R&B/Hip Hop albums and rap only album charts, which is Dying To Live by Kodak Black. There is a separate Adult R&B airplay chart because it is a different radio format, and that is where the veterans like Charlie Wilson get hits. Adult R&B does play a few of the acts that are on the main R&B/Hip Hop chart such as Ella Mai. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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You all could be nicer to TTD All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Since I haven't heard a new song by him on the radio since Delicate in the early 1990s, I don't know how he's relevant to be on a Billboard R&B list of 2018. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I think it was more a new generation of singers/groups taking over R&B with a younger audience that wanted a new sound/image of their own, more so than veteran acts accepting hip hop. Older acts made disco records in the 1970s, but that didn't last long, probably because disco was geared more towards an adult audience who went to dance at clubs that teens & younger children generally couldn't get into. There's a difference in disco movies like Saturday Night Fever/Thank God It's Friday and b-boy movies like Breakin'/Beat Street/Wild Style. Hip hop is an entire culture (rapping, DJs, grafitti, the dozens, fashion, popping/locking/breakdancing, & slang). Disco not so much. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Yes,I believe that this is what happened.I never liked the idea of R&B merging with hip-hop. | |
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Probably the 1990s. Most of the hip hop in the 1980s was on indie labels and a lot of 80s rappers didn't even have albums. A lot of it was only released on 12" singles (especially the very early stuff because the songs were long). They generally didn't edit it for 45s. That might have helped the popularity of 12" maxi singles. It was the 1990s when TV shows on the major networks were built around rappers (Fresh Prince Of Bel-Air, In The House, Living Single), had Saturday morning cartoons (Kid n Play, MC Hammer), or had a hip hop vibe (New York Undercover, In Living Color, Martin). Notice that Bell Biv DeVoe's album sold way more than Ralph Tresvant's & Johnny Gill's who both had a more traditional R&B image than BBD. TLC sold more than En Vogue. Rappers became accepted as movie actors in a way that pop & rock singers like Madonna, Prince, & Mick Jagger couldn't. Hip hop fashion was sold in mainstream department stores (Cross Colours, FUBU). Soul Train was really the Rap Train in its later years and its hosts after Don C reflected that like Shemar Moore. Rock bands in the 1990s had rap elements in their music (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Limp Bizkit, even Tommy Lee from Mötley Crüe solo album) and many of Weird Al's later parodies are rap songs. His biggest hit is White & Nerdy. Today hip hop is is many genres like dance music, jazz, country, classical, Broadway showtunes, blues, zydeco, children's music, gospel, heavy metal, etc. It's really the mainstream audience that kept hip hop alive all this time. They didn't abandon it after a little white like earlier listeners did with big band jazz, doo wop, psychedelic rock, 1970s James Taylor/Cat Stevens style singer-songwriter, disco, new wave, Latin Freestyle, glam metal, New Jack Swing, & early 1990s house music. There has been different sounds for hip hop over the years though. I think that people today have more options for entertainment than people around pre-1980s. They can spend all day playing video games, texting, internet, rather than sitting around trying to play a guitar or something. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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StrangeButTrue said: Billboard is about as relevant as a rotary telephone in 2018. . . "Hello Billboard? I would like to report a duopoly circle jerk I noticed in your year-end issue." [Edited 12/26/18 7:58am] :lurk: that's not a rotary phone. But it still works. Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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It needs a comeback and a PUSH from the industry. I quite enjoyed the talent on the 2018 Soul Train Awards. When you try to look it up, it only lists the nineties throwback performers (Jon B, Erykah, Donnell Jones, BBD, Faith). | |
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. LOL! . . "Hello Billboard, I would like to hear sales figures for physical sales of retail albums for the year 2018? Streaming? No, I'm not calling about going fishing, I'm calling about records. Wait -What are records? Well, its likely I'm gonna have one after I beat yo' ass." if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2 | |
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Well, I guess we can blame Chaka or more specifically, Arif Mardin for that since "I Feel For You" was the first R&B/Hip-Hop merger to have across-the-board success both in the states and internationally. Then I believe after that came Rene & Angela's "Save Your Love" with Kurtis Blow which was also a number one song but didn't have the same impact as "IFFY". Prior to that, I remember when most R&B stations refused to play anything even remotely resembling a rap record. Only a few of the extremely progressive ones dared. But, most of them started to slowly add hip-hop songs to their playlists around 1985. I remember hearing the Sugar Hill Gang's "Rapper's Delight" on the radio a lot but not much after that until the mid-80's. [Edited 1/4/19 16:43pm] "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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^^I love Chaka but I actually didn’t like her version of “I Feel For You” (even though it was s massive hit). | |
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Interesting thread but I find it hard to believe that disco didn't "have a culture". Studio 54? Gay culture? Glam? Trolls be gone! | |
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. Its so interesting that modern "EDM" and disco are considered two completely separate types of music. EDM is the hip hop of disco. Barry White had a frickin' orchestra. if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2 | |
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StrangeButTrue said:
. Its so interesting that modern "EDM" and disco are considered two completely separate types of music. EDM is the hip hop of disco. Barry White had a frickin' orchestra. I always argue that disco never really died.It just evolved and is now referred to as “dance music”.80s Freestyle was a form of disco and so is EDM. | |
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SoulAlive said: StrangeButTrue said:
. Its so interesting that modern "EDM" and disco are considered two completely separate types of music. EDM is the hip hop of disco. Barry White had a frickin' orchestra. I always argue that disco never really died.It just evolved and is now referred to as “dance music”.80s Freestyle was a form of disco and so is EDM. I agree. Now with autotune everything sounds alike. I'm thinking it's going to be a long time before music has a groundbreaking genre come through. The execs love autotune and cheap production. Trolls be gone! | |
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Edit: wrong thread [Edited 1/8/19 20:46pm] | |
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There was pscyhedelic soul in the late 1960s to early 1970s, after psychedelic rock became a thing. Booker T & The MGs and the Commodores had country & western elements in some songs. Other R&B/soul singers remade country songs & vice versa. There was a lot of R&B remakes of Beatles songs, and in jazz too.
Yeah, Quincy Jones released Back On The Block & Q's Jook Joint which featured MCs. Charlie Wilson made his comeback by 1st singing hooks on rap songs and pretty much all of his solo albums has at least 1 rap collab on them. There was hip hop sounds on Johnnie Taylor's later records and B.B. King did a song with Heavy D. Other veterans also sang on rap songs (The Temptations, Daryl Hall, Morris Day, The Dramatics, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, etc.) or they had rappers on their songs. Hip hop producers like Pharrell, will.i.am, DJ Jazzy Jeff, & Timbaland produced songs for singers. Timbaland produced a Duran Duran album & will.i.am did one for Sergio Mendes. Staring in the 1990s a lot of songs had a rap break instead of a guitar or sax solo like in the 1980s. I've seen a video where Flea said he was a fan of J Dilla. DJ Screw remixed R&B songs with his chopped & screwed style. Brand New Heavies put out Heavy Rhyme Experience. Snoop has a cooking show with Martha Stewart. There was even a meme saying one of them has been in prison. The Roots are the house band on The Tonight Show and Epic Rap Battles Of History get many millions of views on Youtube. Until the recent Queen movie, Straight Outta Compton was the highest grossing music biopic. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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MickyDolenz said:
There was pscyhedelic soul in the late 1960s to early 1970s, after psychedelic rock became a thing. Booker T & The MGs and the Commodores had country & western elements in some songs. Other R&B/soul singers remade country songs & vice versa. There was a lot of R&B remakes of Beatles songs, and in jazz too.
Yeah, Quincy Jones released Back On The Block & Q's Jook Joint which featured MCs. Charlie Wilson made his comeback by 1st singing hooks on rap songs and pretty much all of his solo albums has at least 1 rap collab on them. There was hip hop sounds on Johnnie Taylor's later records and B.B. King did a song with Heavy D. Other veterans also sang on rap songs (The Temptations, Daryl Hall, Morris Day, The Dramatics, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, etc.) or they had rappers on their songs. Hip hop producers like Pharrell, will.i.am, DJ Jazzy Jeff, & Timbaland produced songs for singers. Timbaland produced a Duran Duran album & will.i.am did one for Sergio Mendes. Staring in the 1990s a lot of songs had a rap break instead of a guitar or sax solo like in the 1980s. I've seen a video where Flea said he was a fan of J Dilla. DJ Screw remixed R&B songs with his chopped & screwed style. Brand New Heavies put out Heavy Rhyme Experience. Snoop has a cooking show with Martha Stewart. There was even a meme saying one of them has been in prison. The Roots are the house band on The Tonight Show and Epic Rap Battles Of History get many millions of views on Youtube. Until the recent Queen movie, Straight Outta Compton was the highest grossing music biopic. Interesting tidbit about Duran Duran considering how much their music was heavily sampled by black artists. Trolls be gone! | |
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Duran Duran is one of the first acts to have a sampler in their music with the remix for The Reflex. They also remade White Lines and Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 is on the song and the music video. They did 911 Is A Joke too which is on the same album. Phil Collins has said that he got the "Ha! Ha! Ha!" on Genesis song Mama from The Message. Phil has been sampled quite a bit too. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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