U woke up after u realized you mind was narrow?
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That was kinda the point. Go listen to those listed artists and report back if I am wrong. Start here, a song that is better than anything produced in the 1960s, 70s or 80s - play loud, headphones: Also try King Krule, Moses Sumney, BadBadNotGood, Ibeyi, Little Dragon, Lorde, Kelela, Julia Holter, James Blake, Passion Pit, Solange, Frank Ocean, Alabama Shakes, etc. etc.
Thank you. Exactly. And it is not just tools in the technical sense. Kids now have so much information at their fingertips. They explore, go deep into music history, theory and technique - see scales and modes, circle of fifths on YouTube, etc. There is a serious jazz renaissance going on that is also feeding into pop music. Acts like Knower and Dirty Loops can superficially sound like millennial whoop crap, but are actually virtuoso musicians. For the record, I am old myself, pushing 50. I hope I still have a few decades in me. Why whould you want to live in the past? Prince's main problem was that he lost connection with what was happening sometime in the late 1980s, when he moved into Paisley Park. Consider this; why was Prince not a central figure in the neo-soul movement, for example? [Edited 12/29/18 5:12am] | |
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[Edited 1/21/19 19:13pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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Also, "better produced" doesn't equal "better song". It doesn't matter how clean the restaurant is if the food is bland. | |
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Fortunately, there are still good artists out there, young and not so young... You just have to dig 'em out now...like the proverbial needle in a haystack... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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728huey said: mrwiggles said: Pop music is and what it's always been. It's geared and marketed to a 13 year old girl. And you know what? These kids out here LOVE it. Every generation always disses the music that comes after them, me included. But like the Dr GC so succinctly says, whatever the older folks hate...that's gonna be the next thang. I don't get how these "music today sucks" stories get by with comparisons of artists like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Jefferson Airplane, and the Yardbirds with obvious pop artists like Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, and Ed Sheeran. Outside of the Beatles and maybe the Stones, none of those other artists were considered mainstream at that time. That's showing a musical bias. There were plenty of crappy pop songs and crappy pop artists in the 1960's and the reason we don't hear much if anything about them now is because they were crap. For every "Hey Jude", "Sympathy for the Devil", or "Purple Haze", you had stuff like "Louie Louie", "Wolly Bully", "Sugar Sugar", "96 Tears", or most of Herman’s Hermits' discography. Sure, it's okay to complain about Max Martin and the Millennial whoop, but how is that any different from Phil Spector and his wall of sound in the 1960's, Giorgio Moroder's disco sound or the LA soft rock sound of the 1970's, or the Stock Aiken Waterman sounds of the mid to late 1980's? Every generation has its own sound and rhythm,and this Millennial whoop is this generation's musical signature. Do keep in mind that some of those "crappy" songs as mentioned in your previous post were either referencing drugs or sex. Things weren't as bold and vulgar as like today. Such was called suggestive music. | |
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Also, imo, modern music is as awful as many might want to proclaim, simply because, it has gotten overtaken by capitalist greedy execs and such renowned corporate heads whose only interest and bottom line is 💰. Just look at the many radio stations that has either been bought out or launched to only push certain type songs and artists. It's all about the revenue...damn the art as far as THEY are concerned. | |
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The music industry has always been about money. That's how the record label heads & publishing companies got rich by getting the royalties, but paid the artists with cars, fur coats, women, drugs, booze, etc instead of money. Some would get a flat fee for each song they recorded, but not get royalties from sales. They'd tell acts that they sold less (or more) than they really did. Decades ago the mafia or street thugs were behind a lot of the clubs acts played in and the distribution of records. The mob guys beat up performers, hung them from balconies to force them to resign. That happened to Jackie Wilson. The mob once put a hit on Sammy Davis Jr, because he owed them money. Frank Sinatra had to talk them out of it. Club promoters often refoused to pay. So artists carried guns or would not play unless paid up front. Label heads and artist managers added their names to songwriting credits. Some radio DJs would ask for writing credits in exchange for playing the records like Alan Freed. All of those older performers didn't die broke because the entertainment industry was honest. RCA Records in its early days had different colored labels. The "high class" label that had classical music and opera singers was red, and charged a higher price for them. The "low class" popular music records had a black label and was sold for a cheaper price. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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The music industry has always been about money. That's how the record label heads & publishing companies got rich by getting the royalties, but paid the artists with cars, fur coats, women, drugs, booze, etc instead of money. Some would get a flat fee for each song they recorded, but not get royalties from sales. They'd tell acts that they sold less (or more) than they really did. Decades ago the mafia or street thugs were behind a lot of the clubs acts played in and the distribution of records. The mob guys beat up performers, hung them from balconies to force them to resign. That happened to Jackie Wilson. The mob once put a hit on Sammy Davis Jr, because he owed them money. Frank Sinatra had to talk them out of it. Club promoters often refoused to pay. So artists carried guns or would not play unless paid up front. Label heads and artist managers added their names to songwriting credits. Some radio DJs would ask for writing credits in exchange for playing the records like Alan Freed. All of those older performers didn't die broke because the entertainment industry was honest. RCA Records in its early days had different colored labels. The "high class" label that had classical music and opera singers was red, and charged a higher price for them. The "low class" popular music records had a black label and was sold for a cheaper price. The music industry was never really honest. They were just "slick." A load of artists were ripped off back then and died penniless. Especially the case with most Black artists. [Edited 1/22/19 8:46am] | |
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Bad contracts was how The Beatles & other artists lost their publishing that Michael Jackson was later able to buy. Unless they sell a huge amount of records, recording artists usually remain in the hole with their labels. Now since records don't sell as much, labels came up with 360 deals where they get money form touring and/or artist merchandising. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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[Edited 1/22/19 10:56am] The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams | |
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[Edited 1/22/19 10:05am] The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams | |
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That has nothing to do with the record labels ripping off artists and taking advantage of them.
Are you not aware that black and other non-white performers might be attacked by racist rednecks in the southern USA before the 1970s? Performers carried guns for protection, especially ones that played the chitlin circuit. They couldn't stay in the hotels with whites, nor eat in white restaurants. There was even separate water fountains for non-whites and they usually couldn't enter in the front of places they played in. Guns were also used for dishonest promoters who wouldn't pay. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Micky, I'm not a mod, but is it the subject? The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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You responded to me. I didn't make any comment to you because I don't read your posts, because they never make any sense to me. I was talking to someone else and said nothing about race to them, but that the record business is no different than it has always been. You were the one who made that Chuck Berry comment, like he was the only person who had a gun. So I explained why a performer would carry a gun back then. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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I could barely get through the first 3 minutes of the video with its Beatles fetishizing, modern music bashing and ridiculous claims of objectivity. Blech. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Truth: modern music ain't awful: The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams | |
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Evidence #2 The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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A bittersweet love letter to the nineties She wanted to be a nun
Until that fateful day we met I beat the crucifix In a game of Russian roulette I burned my Beatles records Because she hated number nine She licked rock cocaine suckers Laughed, said her mom's doin' mine Well, are you an illusion
Or am I just getting stoned Because I can't take it alone I hope I didn't just give away the ending We started limping
Caught the handicap shuttle to town And yelled, "God's healed us!" As we ran off the bus the driver just frowned By the way this girl was sexy and she wouldn't touch you This may not be true But I said it so you'd feel involved with this song Are you an illusion
Or am I just getting stoned Because I can't take it alone I hope I didn't just give away the ending We caught a fey taxi driver
I smiled the ride was free I felt like Amsterdam She wanted more drugs and maybe me I told her dealer I was broke He hired a cameraman We did a porno film for coke I hear I'm big in Japan Are you an illusion
Or am I just getting stoned Because I can't take it alone I hope I didn't just give away the ending We went back to her kitchen
Put the coke in a can Tied up a TV minister In walked her dad He started drinking coffee Too much sugar on the go He fell dead on the floor He thought the coke was Sweet'n'Low® Well are you an illusion
Or am I just getting stoned Man was she upset but then just stole her dad's wallet and
I drove him to the hospital To sell all of his donatable body parts And this is when she dies They brought a depressed junkie in She shot his cyanide up I guess she thought it was Errol Flynn I'm blamed in the confusion The police being phoned I don't even love you We weren't even friends It's just that I can't take it alone
I can't take it alone Uh huh I can't take it alone Aw Jesus, ah shit I think I just gave away the ending The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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Exhibit #5 - 10 years old, but this is just as groundbreaking and timeless as anything done in the 1960s, 70s, 80s or 90s: | |
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Exhibit #6 - Anderson .Paak is up there with James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Stevie Wonder, Prince...: | |
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Great exhibits! I knew we could turn the negative thread upside down. The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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