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Thread started 08/24/18 2:42pm

Graycap23

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What happened 2 hip-hop?

Sums it up well:

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #1 posted 08/24/18 7:51pm

JoeyC

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Graycap23 said:

Sums it up well:





Damn, some deep stuff. clapping Thanks for posting this. thumbs up!

[Edited 8/24/18 19:51pm]

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Reply #2 posted 08/24/18 8:25pm

Scorp

Graycap23 said:

Sums it up well:

wow, I just watched this earlier today

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Reply #3 posted 08/25/18 6:16pm

JabarR74

Preach DMC!!!!!! He spoke the damn truth!!!!!!!

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Reply #4 posted 08/28/18 6:07pm

tump

On point.

The long version:
Professor Griff - The State Of Hip Hop
https://www.youtube.com/w...bbrvuP4X8E

Head Of Youtube Music (and all-round Culture Vulture) Lyor Cohen (Liar Cohen) did an interview with The Breakfast Club recently, briefly mentioning Griff unfavourably. https://www.youtube.com/w...tMVitcB8c#

Professor Griff responds:
https://www.youtube.com/w...f3JkoU-t8#

As did others.
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Reply #5 posted 08/31/18 9:33pm

Purplegarden

Totally agree, back in the day Rap meant something and it was about empowerment and consciousness.

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Now its all about bling bling, labels, bitches, drugs, shooting people and buffoonery. Lil Pump is easily the worst and most socially repellent of the new shit hoppers but Lil Wayne, all these rap dance songs, trap rap and Migos have a lot to answer for.

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Some rapper said years ago they dreaded what would happen if rap went all commercial, now we are seeing the effects. People acting like fools for quick hits promoted by dodgy record companies, whilst the positive and conscious artists remain under the radar.

This is the place where emotions grow. 24 Feelings all in a row, its alright, its alright
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Reply #6 posted 09/01/18 10:05pm

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Purplegarden said:

Totally agree, back in the day Rap meant something and it was about empowerment and consciousness.

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Now its all about bling bling, labels, bitches, drugs, shooting people and buffoonery. Lil Pump is easily the worst and most socially repellent of the new shit hoppers but Lil Wayne, all these rap dance songs, trap rap and Migos have a lot to answer for.

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Some rapper said years ago they dreaded what would happen if rap went all commercial, now we are seeing the effects. People acting like fools for quick hits promoted by dodgy record companies, whilst the positive and conscious artists remain under the radar.

yeahthat its now Shit Hop! toilet

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #7 posted 09/02/18 4:28am

Scorp

The forefathers who crafted, nurtured, and shaped what was known to become hip-hop (when it wasn't even named hip hop) in the New York City Burroughs, they issued a message way back in the mid 70s......

they said if hip-hop would ever become commercialized, it would be destroyed....

some 40 years later, their words have been proven true.....

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Reply #8 posted 09/04/18 10:06am

Germanegro

Scorp said:

The forefathers who crafted, nurtured, and shaped what was known to become hip-hop (when it wasn't even named hip hop) in the New York City Burroughs, they issued a message way back in the mid 70s......

they said if hip-hop would ever become commercialized, it would be destroyed....

some 40 years later, their words have been proven true.....

Well, we're talking about something that came out of a community, to speak to that community, so the forefathers' pronouncements could not have failed to come true.

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That's the way Rock and Roll went, although perhaps this was the first music-commercialization experience to market to a separate generation; now R&B has broadened its appeal with a wider range of artists to where there is R&B Pop--MJ worked hard to help make that happen; Rap has now also been thoroughly co-opted by universal commercial interests after reaching its apex of popularity a couple of decades ago. I guess it's not all bad, but when circumstances result in having to sort through layers of output to hear the voices and sounds one craves, the options can look discouraging, especially when your preferred product is buried at the bottom of the pile! The good ones are still out there, though.

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Reply #9 posted 09/04/18 12:30pm

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I think the grossest thing about Hip Hop is the endorsement of drug abuse. It has been particularly blatant since The Chronic. But these days it is every song and every type of drug hyped up in songs totally pushed financially into the mainstream.

I heard a more uplifting song recently by J Cole though, which almost sounded like he was endorsing it too, but there is a twist to it. He performed it at the BET Awards this summer.

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Reply #10 posted 09/04/18 12:36pm

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If I listen to old hip hop, it doesn't even have to be for nostalgic reasons. I can listen to old rap that I never heard before and it still speaks to me more than today's.... Lil Xan.

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Reply #11 posted 09/04/18 3:12pm

Purplegarden

Just when you think it has hit rock bottom, say hi to Lil Tay. She makes Lil Pump look like Will Smith!

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https://www.scmp.com/culture/music/article/2144729/who-lil-tay-behind-illusion-nine-year-old-asian-rapper-and-internet

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9 year old Asian American girl using all the stereotypes (Money brick, overseized cars, swearing in the songs, singing about selling drugs and shooting niggas), when also proven it is all an act.

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I agree, the over promotion of drug use is a problem, all these songs about Mollies, Xanax, meth, ice, and pills. In the old days it was mainly just stuff about endo and crack at the most. But now it is just junkies making this crap for other junkies.

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And is it too much to ask for a rapper not to look like shit for once, all these tatttoo festooned people with drity clothes, ripped clothes, bandanas and obscene amounts of tacky jewellery, piercings, grills and other foul accoutrements. Looking at rappers, one can see how far humans have fallen.

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Think about it, they all grunt or mumble, they have NO social skills, live rip and grip lives, have a lot of violence, poor sexual morals, tattoos, jewellery, piercing and drug heads. All junkies and making junk.

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Reply #12 posted 09/05/18 3:03am

domainator2010

Germanegro said:

I guess it's not all bad, but when circumstances result in having to sort through layers of output to hear the voices and sounds one craves, the options can look discouraging, especially when your preferred product is buried at the bottom of the pile! The good ones are still out there, though.

My feelings exactly.

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Reply #13 posted 09/05/18 7:01am

JorisE73

Purplegarden said:

Totally agree, back in the day Rap meant something and it was about empowerment and consciousness.

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Now its all about bling bling, labels, bitches, drugs, shooting people and buffoonery. Lil Pump is easily the worst and most socially repellent of the new shit hoppers but Lil Wayne, all these rap dance songs, trap rap and Migos have a lot to answer for.

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Some rapper said years ago they dreaded what would happen if rap went all commercial, now we are seeing the effects. People acting like fools for quick hits promoted by dodgy record companies, whilst the positive and conscious artists remain under the radar.


IMO this isn't something from 'Now', as a lover of Hip Hop I saw this immediate change of Hip Hop into shit somewhere around 1996.

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Reply #14 posted 09/05/18 7:08am

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Cinny said:

I think the grossest thing about Hip Hop is the endorsement of drug abuse. It has been particularly blatant since The Chronic. But these days it is every song and every type of drug hyped up in songs totally pushed financially into the mainstream.

I heard a more uplifting song recently by J Cole though, which almost sounded like he was endorsing it too, but there is a twist to it. He performed it at the BET Awards this summer.


P-Funk, Rick James and other have been talking about smoking weed long before Dre.
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Reply #15 posted 09/05/18 9:04am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

P-Funk, Rick James and other have been talking about smoking weed long before Dre.

People were doing drug songs in the era of the 78s before these acts were born. There's the slogan "sex drugs & rock n roll". There's psychedelic rock & stoner rock. The entire image of Cheech & Chong was smoking weed and Tommy Chong was on That 70s Show doing the same thing. The teens on that show spent a lot of time in the basement smoking. lol Willie Nelson was doing what Snoop Dogg is known for before Snoop got a record deal. Also isn't Bob Marley and reggae in general known for talking about ganja? Paul McCartney said Got To Get You Into My Life was about pot and he was known for smoking a lot in the Wings days. The Beatles said the Bob Dylan introduced them to pot around the time they were doing the Help! movie. Let Me Roll It was not in a double entendre form like Got To Get You Into My Life. Paul got arrested in Japan around 1980 for bringing it into the country. There's a version of Think Twice by Jackie Wilson & LaVern Baker that mentions cocaine & reefer. It wasn't released at the time, but still it was recorded. There was a reason Hollywood used to make "scared straight" style movies like Reefer Madness and that came out in the 1930s razz People laugh about Ozzy Osbourne snorting ants and biting bats & doves. Even if the songs were not about drugs per se, it's not a big secret that some bop era jazz musicians were junkies. There's many old country songs about getting drunk or getting into fights at the honky tonk. People always blame rap for things that was in entertainment before. John Lee Hooker has a song called I'm Gonna Kill That Woman.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #16 posted 09/05/18 11:18am

Cinny

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Drugs in eighties rap was usually about dealing or the risks.

Now it's about getting fucked up, more like the genres mentioned above, Rock, Reggae.
It's pervasive in current mainstream rap hits (paid for).

To me, that's another sign these "artists" are pawns.

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Reply #17 posted 09/05/18 11:46am

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Cinny said:

It's pervasive in current mainstream rap hits (paid for)

If a lot of people didn't enjoy drug songs or movies, then they wouldn't be promoted as much because it wouldn't make a lot of money for the labels. A lot of people enjoy video games like Grand Theft Auto which has drug dealers in it or watching movies Like Scarface (Al Pacino) & Dazed And Confused. Several gangsta rappers have spoken about Tony Montana's influence. Scarface has nothing to do with hip hop. That movie came out around the disco era, which also had a drug background (Studio 54). The hippies were also usually about drugs. There's a scene in The Monkees movie Head where there is a giant joint. People make a big deal about the "27 club". People went to techno/rave clubs to do drugs. People have been doing drugs for centuries, before there was a recording industry. So it's the general public who makes these artists popular, not the labels. Like the mainstream audience makes superhero movies more popular than other types of movies. MTV has reality shows now instead of music videos because that is what the public wants to see.

For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #18 posted 09/06/18 3:06am

Purplegarden

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinny said:

I think the grossest thing about Hip Hop is the endorsement of drug abuse. It has been particularly blatant since The Chronic. But these days it is every song and every type of drug hyped up in songs totally pushed financially into the mainstream.

I heard a more uplifting song recently by J Cole though, which almost sounded like he was endorsing it too, but there is a twist to it. He performed it at the BET Awards this summer.

P-Funk, Rick James and other have been talking about smoking weed long before Dre.

Little bit of difference between weed and all the shit they rap about now. Xanax, Mollies, Atterol, Ice, Meth, Crack, Party Pills. Seems every neophyte rap song is about making, selling or using drugs and the genre of Trap rap is still going.

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I think rap changed around 1988 when NWA came out and rap split off into commercial pop rap like Fresh Prince, MC Hammer etc and gangsta rap, but then in 1992/93 The Chronic came out and everyone went g funk singing about gin and juice and smoking trees. By 1996 all the shiny suit, flex mode, jeeps and bling bling had come in. Crunk rap made it worse with harder drugs, more bitches and uglier and stupider rappers. Since 2000 or so most rap has been a conga line of shit, whilst conscious and positive rappers hang on the margins, although the occasional skilled act gets through (Early Kanye, Lupe Fiasco, Kendrick Lamar, Childish Gambino etc)

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And I know what will happen, is once we go on about drugs and shit, the Rap united armed defence will bring in all the Metal acts that sang about drugs and drinking and pop artists that died of drug abuse. I won't deny that drugs, alcohol and modern music go together. But find me one other genre of music other than the many forms of rap and hip hop, along with some of this modern R and B near to rap that blatantly and openly glorifies illegal drug usage.

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Reply #19 posted 09/06/18 6:54am

Cinny

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Purplegarden said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinny said: P-Funk, Rick James and other have been talking about smoking weed long before Dre.

Little bit of difference between weed and all the shit they rap about now. Xanax, Mollies, Atterol, Ice, Meth, Crack, Party Pills.


THAT PART

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Reply #20 posted 09/06/18 11:59pm

Purplegarden

Cinny said:

Purplegarden said:

Little bit of difference between weed and all the shit they rap about now. Xanax, Mollies, Atterol, Ice, Meth, Crack, Party Pills.


THAT PART

Agree totally, I am violently anti drugs and sick of these teenage rappers with no talent grunting along to drum machine beats about how many drugs they can smoke and how many bitches they can fuck. When in the past music was about people working hard, writing songs and symphonies, having musical talent, playing instruments and organising bands often for little reward.

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Until the hippy wave of the late 60s, musical performers wore suits and looked fine, they all played expensive and bulky instruments and worked hard. Now its all unwashed kids with multi coloured teeth like Lil Sewage Pump swearing and grunting at a beat and dumb kids think he is a musical god greater than Mozart.

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Meanwhile dodgy record labels promote these clowns to rap about committing murder, doing illegal drugs and raping women, so more impressionable young people end up in private prisons feeding the companies that own them and record companies that invest in them and make music that will produce profit by getting more teenage thugz to commit crime through listening to shit hop music and end up in jail. Prison industrial complex and willing clowns like Little Pump and Yung Thug must be generating heaps of wannabe gangstas and drug junkies to fill up the prisons.

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Reply #21 posted 09/07/18 9:05am

Cinny

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Purplegarden said:

Cinny said:


THAT PART

Agree totally, I am violently anti drugs and sick of these teenage rappers with no talent grunting along to drum machine beats about how many drugs they can smoke and how many bitches they can fuck. When in the past music was about people working hard, writing songs and symphonies, having musical talent, playing instruments and organising bands often for little reward.

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Until the hippy wave of the late 60s, musical performers wore suits and looked fine, they all played expensive and bulky instruments and worked hard. Now its all unwashed kids with multi coloured teeth like Lil Sewage Pump swearing and grunting at a beat and dumb kids think he is a musical god greater than Mozart.

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Meanwhile dodgy record labels promote these clowns to rap about committing murder, doing illegal drugs and raping women, so more impressionable young people end up in private prisons feeding the companies that own them and record companies that invest in them and make music that will produce profit by getting more teenage thugz to commit crime through listening to shit hop music and end up in jail. Prison industrial complex and willing clowns like Little Pump and Yung Thug must be generating heaps of wannabe gangstas and drug junkies to fill up the prisons.


LL Cool J had a song about driving his vehicle.

They tell me don't drink and drive I say what is this
Pass the Heineken and mind your business

Roll up a fat one and pass it around.


But even crazy-ass Russell Simmons didn't release it on the album this way.

I find it completely irresponsible today what they
a) release uncensored
b) invest and promote with videos
c) with uncensored videos!




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