That little melody that starts at the beginning and runs throughout? Yeah, Middle Eastern or sub-Asian, anyway. Sounds exotic, like delicate sensualism.

Purplegarden said:

Changing the subject, its a great album to power walk to, Delicate, when you hear it in its unexpurgated glory the lyrics and his vocals are just creamy (Although Des'ree is pretty good too) and there's this real sort Middle Eastern Type feel to it. Is anyone else hearing that vibe?.

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Think he has been in Italy for a while, since at least 2000, and his middle name Francesco is clearly Italian (Sananda Francesco Maitreya) - Hope I got that right. Sorry changing your name an being a cult artist after major adulation is the definition of tight. He left the mainstream as it bored and he proved he could own but chose not too, Sananda Maitreya's strongest point is that he is in complete control.

Germanegro said:

That little melody that starts at the beginning and runs throughout? Yeah, Middle Eastern or sub-Asian, anyway. Sounds exotic, like delicate sensualism.

Purplegarden said:

Changing the subject, its a great album to power walk to, Delicate, when you hear it in its unexpurgated glory the lyrics and his vocals are just creamy (Although Des'ree is pretty good too) and there's this real sort Middle Eastern Type feel to it. Is anyone else hearing that vibe?.

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Think he has been in Italy for a while, since at least 2000, and his middle name Francesco is clearly Italian (Sananda Francesco Maitreya) - Hope I got that right. Sorry changing your name an being a cult artist after major adulation is the definition of tight. He left the mainstream as it bored and he proved he could own but chose not too, Sananda Maitreya's strongest point is that he is in complete control.

sure it was pretty obvious, it all comes down to scales, major minor and all the others which more advanced musicians than i could tell you about.

Germanegro said:

Don't be a Trumpster and claim that all entertainment journalism is "fake news" LOL!

And video shoots can certainly vary from the reality of the guys boxing training--TTD could have been busting his trained moves and been directed to stop, that looks bad for the camera, and d changed it--just sayin'. Plus, if you look closer in some of those older videos you can see some facial scarring from when he'd been getting down in the ring. He may have boxed while in the Army, as well. He ain't lying.

PeteSilas said:

ya, that's the way it was printed, can't believe everything you read so, who knows? seven more days was about the brig experience. He also stated he was a boxer, which, after seeing his moves in "billy don't fall" I knew was bullshit, if he was a boxer he wasn't very good. He said he was a golden gloves champion if i recall correctly, would be pretty easy to find out if true or not if anyone cared. It's possible, the talent level goes all directions for amateur boxing. golden gloves champ of duluth wouldn't be an accomplishment.

he looked horrible, i've been a fighter all my life, there are things non fighters do that give them away, one is hold their chins up high, it's natural but the last thing you should do, if he was a fighter he wasn't taught to tuck his chin so he and his trainer were awful. Great artist that's what matters here. I happen to think he was doing a bit of mythmaking which they all do, all of them, nothing wrong with it. Us who are really interested in these guys have to dig in to find where the fiction ends and the truth begins. the pop audience really doesn't care enough to find out.

I'm confident that you can dig into the case of Sananda's Golden gloves and Army boxing to vet his story. I assert that there is a big difference between a video shoot pose and one's boxing training, and that one is mutually exclusive toward the other. A video director wouldn't give a damn about boxing training and would want the protagonist of the story to show his face to the camera for maximum exposure in the short time of the actual finished product--you see, that's the main point for that scenario.

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I believe his story, anyway, but if you can find out different, then you get a gold award from me!

PeteSilas said:

Germanegro said:

Don't be a Trumpster and claim that all entertainment journalism is "fake news" LOL!

And video shoots can certainly vary from the reality of the guys boxing training--TTD could have been busting his trained moves and been directed to stop, that looks bad for the camera, and d changed it--just sayin'. Plus, if you look closer in some of those older videos you can see some facial scarring from when he'd been getting down in the ring. He may have boxed while in the Army, as well. He ain't lying.

he looked horrible, i've been a fighter all my life, there are things non fighters do that give them away, one is hold their chins up high, it's natural but the last thing you should do, if he was a fighter he wasn't taught to tuck his chin so he and his trainer were awful. Great artist that's what matters here. I happen to think he was doing a bit of mythmaking which they all do, all of them, nothing wrong with it. Us who are really interested in these guys have to dig in to find where the fiction ends and the truth begins. the pop audience really doesn't care enough to find out.

Considering Vanilla Ice lied about being a major Motorcross driver as a child, I am sure Sananda's tales seem a little less fantastical. It could be that some tabloid or kiddie pop magazine made that rumour up or embellisged what he said. Plus that first flush of success and acceptance does kind of boost an ego. Hardline was a solid seller from the start and it was winning pundits, so that must have hit him at that stage and either he or the record company decided they needed to embellish his back story to get more adulation and even more record sales (Even as he had 4 bonafide hits off it and Wishing Well and sign your name were huge ones).

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Making up a story he was the Sugar Ray Leonard of the armed forces just seemed to juicy to not run with it. I would not lose sleep at night if it was not true, but I know what you guys mean, those are some limp ass punches in the Billy don't fall video (Like don't get my dreads all ruffled). Could be play fighting as Billy was gay and meant to be playing some dude coming on to him.

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I actually dug the singles back in 87/88 as an 8 or 9 year old and can remember wanting the album, but being far too young and our family was broke ass. I also remember all the kiddie pop magazines like Smash Hits and TV Hits and the rest had posters of him and stories about him, it seemed he was quite shy and everyone wanted to know about him back them, as those bloody songs just grabbed people. People knew he was not another late 80s flash in the pan pop singer with a different or (Cool/suave) look, but someone with genuine talent and one hell of a voice.

i'm sure there are records somewhere but i looked briefly today, couldn't find good records online. National golden gloves were easy to find but all the regional/city ones weren't. Golden glove champ can mean something or it can mean nothing, as I stated. In my part of the country, a Seattle golden glove champ may not mean very much, at least not as much as a place like New York, particularly 30-40 years ago. Today, america doesn't produce many fighters comparatively like they did in any part of the country. I would bet my house if I had one that he was bullshitting but they all do. Springsteen is a bullshitter, Prince is a bullshitter, the only great ones that weren't totally full of shit were the early rockers, after that, the next generations were much smarter, more self-conscious about their images. Problem with TTD/Sananda is, he never had a major biographer who would do the legwork as Prince and others had, Prince tried to say all kinds of shit, about being italian and black, like he was some kind of jive Travolta, to the point, every so often, even here, people repeat the bullshit.

Germanegro said:

I'm confident that you can dig into the case of Sananda's Golden gloves and Army boxing to vet his story. I assert that there is a big difference between a video shoot pose and one's boxing training, and that one is mutually exclusive toward the other. A video director wouldn't give a damn about boxing training and would want the protagonist of the story to show his face to the camera for maximum exposure in the short time of the actual finished product--you see, that's the main point for that scenario.

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I believe his story, anyway, but if you can find out different, then you get a gold award from me!

PeteSilas said:

he looked horrible, i've been a fighter all my life, there are things non fighters do that give them away, one is hold their chins up high, it's natural but the last thing you should do, if he was a fighter he wasn't taught to tuck his chin so he and his trainer were awful. Great artist that's what matters here. I happen to think he was doing a bit of mythmaking which they all do, all of them, nothing wrong with it. Us who are really interested in these guys have to dig in to find where the fiction ends and the truth begins. the pop audience really doesn't care enough to find out.

Purplegarden said:

Considering Vanilla Ice lied about being a major Motorcross driver as a child, I am sure Sananda's tales seem a little less fantastical. It could be that some tabloid or kiddie pop magazine made that rumour up or embellisged what he said. Plus that first flush of success and acceptance does kind of boost an ego. Hardline was a solid seller from the start and it was winning pundits, so that must have hit him at that stage and either he or the record company decided they needed to embellish his back story to get more adulation and even more record sales (Even as he had 4 bonafide hits off it and Wishing Well and sign your name were huge ones).

.

Making up a story he was the Sugar Ray Leonard of the armed forces just seemed to juicy to not run with it. I would not lose sleep at night if it was not true, but I know what you guys mean, those are some limp ass punches in the Billy don't fall video (Like don't get my dreads all ruffled). Could be play fighting as Billy was gay and meant to be playing some dude coming on to him.

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I actually dug the singles back in 87/88 as an 8 or 9 year old and can remember wanting the album, but being far too young and our family was broke ass. I also remember all the kiddie pop magazines like Smash Hits and TV Hits and the rest had posters of him and stories about him, it seemed he was quite shy and everyone wanted to know about him back them, as those bloody songs just grabbed people. People knew he was not another late 80s flash in the pan pop singer with a different or (Cool/suave) look, but someone with genuine talent and one hell of a voice.

i loved the british docu that was made in the 80s' about him, it used to be on youtube but it's gone for the moment. In it he jumpes rope which us fighters do and he looked ok, but the billy don't fall shit? Awful. He'd get killed fighting like that. I'm not hating, he just wasn't a fighter. I've seen lots of wannabees and I know. As far as the rest of his stories? army? I don't know. It would be nice to have a proper bio but I doubt we'll get one anytime soon, he's pretty forgotten.

2freaky4church1 said:

Chris Rock once said he is his favee.

He was at his B. B. Kings show in NYC in 2003. I remember that because I was there backstage myself and later saw photos of him backstage at that show and wished I had met him.

mynameisnotsusan said:

I prefer Vibrator - that is a great front to back album.

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Listen 2 that one acouple of times a year. Still love it.

TheFman said:

PeteSilas said:

you are a grunge fan huh? I didn't get it, sorry, little whiney white boys talking about how tortured they were, I didn't want to hear it, I've seen real oppression and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

It's the best thing to come out of the 90's...

Not by a long shot. It was trash, crap, musical poverty.

Thanks for posting the interview.

MissGrace said:

Is there a link to this interview?

Milty2 said:

MickyDolenz said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't doubt it but that is a whole different demographic, i don't know anyone who listened to that kind of music, so it's a regional/rural phenomenon, kinda like trump winning. So, you take a whole segment of the country, the south and also the people who aren't much different than southerners, I don't know those people and their voice is a bit muted. I'm only aware of Garth because of the big sales, i don't think i could name a single song, maybe one, something about thunder rolling, apparently written after he ate a can of beans and franks.

You could say that about grunge. That's why it isn't reflected on the pop charts, what records sold the most, or what was played the most on the Top 40, which is what the mainstream audience listens to and buys. Grunge was mainly played on alternative rock stations, which was generally not what mainstream audience listened to. That's why it was "alternative" to Top 40. Hip hop became more mainstream popular on the Top 40 then, that's why it lasted all this time. Grunge was mainly popular to a particular audience, that's why it died quickly. Grunge was more an albums genre, not a singles genre. It was Whitney Houston who had a huge hit with I Will Always Love You and Eric Clapton with Tears In Heaven right in the middle of the popularity of grunge. It was TLC, Alanis Morissette, & Boyz II Men who sold a lot of albums. Kid n Play had movies and a cartoon series. The Fresh Prince got a TV show and later became one of the biggest movie stars. Metallica had their biggest success with the black album in the 1990s. Posion by Bell Biv DeVoe is still a popular party song to this day. Bono was dressing like a devil pimp, so flashy dressing hadn't totally left either. That's why I said grunge wasn't as popular as rock fans made it sound. It was popular for a brief period, but it did not affect other popular music in general.

Thank you for telling it like it is, I want to add that Jump by Kris Kross was also a party song and still is, and though Nirvana is cool it was only #1 for 2 weeks after Dangerous for 4 weeks

as for TTD, I just know his first album nothing else, but his interviews from what I've read on here are intriguing

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