I'd guess if you'd go to MJJC there's likely to be threads about this topic like these: 1, 2, 3, 4

it's all over.....it's been over

maybe one day, one day, fans will be willing to really take time to listen and understand why this happened.....

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I haven't heard much of a stink made of this thing that would drive me insane. But why haven't i heard of complaints from the Jackson family or notable fame who** Paris Jackson about this? It would seem that RETAINING those rights would have been a priority. Has anyone here done the research and figured out WTF happened there? I know they were formally sold about 2 months ago after lengthy proceedings

Hmm. Well. A shitload of money now, instead of less money in the course over years. Yeah. It's a shame that Michael's name is eradicated from Sony. But really, it doesn't matter anymore. He's gone. He's not going to profit from it anymore either way. As for the kids, they are filthy and spoiled rich anyway, without having or ever going to have to work a single day in their life for it.

EmmaMcG said:

Money, I'd guess. I don't know the ins and outs of the deal but does it include any unreleased music? I know MJ had a shitload of unreleased songs so hopefully some of them will see the light of day. And I don't want his recordings to be "improved" like they were on the Michael or Xscape albums. Just release them as they are. The bonus disc from Xscape was far, FAR better.

not just money, but his estates knows it's the end of the road and they made their last profitable action with making this move....

the journey is over......there's not going to be any more major finished musical efforts fans, public, the world is ever gonna get from this artist.....it's all over...when it never had to be this way but it is

This should have been the greatest story ever told in the history of music, or I should say, should have ended up as such, because it sure was headed that way, the path was set, but pitfalls and snares did it in

the lesson to learn in regards to his life story is that he had the drive and determination to reach his potential as a performer, but was not allowed to fulfill his promise as an artist and he knew this in the end......

[Edited 8/20/18 5:18am]

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I haven't heard much of a stink made of this thing that would drive me insane. But why haven't i heard of complaints from the Jackson family or notable fame who** Paris Jackson about this? It would seem that RETAINING those rights would have been a priority. Has anyone here done the research and figured out WTF happened there? I know they were formally sold about 2 months ago after lengthy proceedings

Are you talking about Sony/ATV and their 10% share of EMI?

Sony triggered a clause in the agreement to where MJ's estate had to either sell their share or buy Sony's share, so TMJE took the $750 million buyout. The last part of the sell was the EMI share. In all, they recieved over a billion dollars

Mijac is still owned by the estate and holds over 600 songs including Michael's, Sly Stone, Hall and Oates, and Gamble and Huff

[Edited 8/20/18 18:05pm]

bboy87 said:

Scorp said:

EmmaMcG said:

Money, I'd guess. I don't know the ins and outs of the deal but does it include any unreleased music? I know MJ had a shitload of unreleased songs so hopefully some of them will see the light of day. And I don't want his recordings to be "improved" like they were on the Michael or Xscape albums. Just release them as they are. The bonus disc from Xscape was far, FAR better.

Agree with this, but also feel generally speaking it's healthier to move on though it really sucks how things turned out. The best thing one can do is focus on what mj's music meant to their memories when growing up, though I understand the helplessness one may feel over what could have been, but time has passed. The real magic now is how the music and multiple trademarks lives on when it makes appearances when living life, and how those who were around, both publicly and privately choose to remember mj and his brothers impact and pass that on. His public image is never going to be perfect, but most have moved on and know the music now and will continue to discover it I'm sure.

[Edited 8/21/18 8:29am]

bboy87 said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I haven't heard much of a stink made of this thing that would drive me insane. But why haven't i heard of complaints from the Jackson family or notable fame who** Paris Jackson about this? It would seem that RETAINING those rights would have been a priority. Has anyone here done the research and figured out WTF happened there? I know they were formally sold about 2 months ago after lengthy proceedings

Are you talking about Sony/ATV and their 10% share of EMI?

Sony triggered a clause in the agreement to where MJ's estate had to either sell their share or buy Sony's share, so TMJE took the $750 million buyout. The last part of the sell was the EMI share. In all, they recieved over a billion dollars

Mijac is still owned by the estate and holds over 600 songs including Michael's, Sly Stone, Hall and Oates, and Gamble and Huff

[Edited 8/20/18 18:05pm]

Thanks Bboy. Yes, that's what I was referring to. Months back I'd heard about it being officially sold, and unfortunately where I'm staying at at the moment is NOT conducive to getting anything done, and I cannot b.s. it at work to do the research. Thanks for clearing that up.


I thought it would be more lucrative to keep the publishing but I suppose they may want that lump sum? :-/ soooo you suppose sales will ultimately decline to the point that they're not generating anything?

alphastreet said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

SoulAlive said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

I think they should just release concert tours on dvd/blu ray eg. Triumph and Victory, rather than half-baked posthumous albums that are dubious (eg Casino tracks on Michael and the Timberlake duet on Xscape).

Goddess4Real said:

SoulAlive said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

I think they should just release concert tours on dvd/blu ray eg. Triumph and Victory, rather than half-baked posthumous albums that are dubious (eg Casino tracks on Michael and the Timberlake duet on Xscape).

The Jacksons live album is amazing. And from the snippets we've seen of the Triumph tour, it was great visually as well. And Triumph is my favorite Jacksons album

Goddess4Real said:

SoulAlive said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

I think they should just release concert tours on dvd/blu ray eg. Triumph and Victory, rather than half-baked posthumous albums that are dubious (eg Casino tracks on Michael and the Timberlake duet on Xscape).

I'd love those.

Scorp said:

alphastreet said:

Agree with this, but also feel generally speaking it's healthier to move on though it really sucks how things turned out. The best thing one can do is focus on what mj's music meant to their memories when growing up, though I understand the helplessness one may feel over what could have been, but time has passed. The real magic now is how the music and multiple trademarks lives on when it makes appearances when living life, and how those who were around, both publicly and privately choose to remember mj and his brothers impact and pass that on. His public image is never going to be perfect, but most have moved on and know the music now and will continue to discover it I'm sure.

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Alomg with that....it would be healthier and more beneficial for all to make sure nothing like this ever happens again to human being of any stature

I agree, and I feel with the internet and social media, more are informed of these things and challenging the discourse, but I also feel there is still discrimination in the industry and society, and kanye west is a living example of being judged same way for telling it like it is if you ask me, but many before him broke barriers for speaking out and got thrown under the bus for doing so.

As for mj, all I can say is enjoy the remaining members now. Janet's new music is beautiful and real, her bro randy has her back and the other brothers are still touring I think. I've emotionally moved on though I'm not ok with what happened either

[Edited 8/22/18 12:11pm]

Goddess4Real said:

SoulAlive said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

I think they should just release concert tours on dvd/blu ray eg. Triumph and Victory, rather than half-baked posthumous albums that are dubious (eg Casino tracks on Michael and the Timberlake duet on Xscape).

speaking of the Victory tour......on a Facebook page that I visit (where old school R&B music is discussed),someone posted some video that I had never seen before.It is a funny clip from the Victory tour.Marlon is doing this little dance and it seems that he can't stop...LOL....the other brothers just stand there and stare at him.Then Michael tells the band to "break it down" and he starts doing the same dance with him do you guys know what I'm talking about? It's very funny.

Carry on....

Goddess4Real said:

SoulAlive said:

so what's going on with MJ's music? Are they planning any more posthumous projects?

I think they should just release concert tours on dvd/blu ray eg. Triumph and Victory, rather than half-baked posthumous albums that are dubious (eg Casino tracks on Michael and the Timberlake duet on Xscape).

*CASCIO.

Although a proper release of DANGEROUS + (anniversary with possibly 2 additional cds) COULD BE released... (but it probably won't) and MJ did do music for a CASINO act... SIEGFRIEND & ROY.


BUt yeah, those Cascio tracks were fake as fuck.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I haven't heard much of a stink made of this thing that would drive me insane. But why haven't i heard of complaints from the Jackson family or notable fame who** Paris Jackson about this? It would seem that RETAINING those rights would have been a priority. Has anyone here done the research and figured out WTF happened there? I know they were formally sold about 2 months ago after lengthy proceedings

Pretty disrespectful to call Micheal Jackson's daughter a whore. You are talking about his daughter. She lost her dad.

Probably won't hear too much since they just released the Halloween special and soundtrack compilation.

I would LOVE to see concerts from Victory and Triumph, but I am willing to bet we would see a Dangerous 30 first.

nextedition said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

I haven't heard much of a stink made of this thing that would drive me insane. But why haven't i heard of complaints from the Jackson family or notable fame who** Paris Jackson about this? It would seem that RETAINING those rights would have been a priority. Has anyone here done the research and figured out WTF happened there? I know they were formally sold about 2 months ago after lengthy proceedings

Pretty disrespectful to call Micheal Jackson's daughter a whore. You are talking about his daughter. She lost her dad.

fame whore is different than whore-whore. I did not make judgments on her personal life. Just for someone who has reportedly had issues with instability, she really really really puts herself out there.

She is, however a good person toward her causes. It was all said in casual, not disdain. I hope it wasn't taken that way.... I guess a sterilized version of it would be "noted personality"?, one of those euphemisms for people that are simply famous for being ubiquitous

[Edited 8/23/18 13:36pm]

2045RadicalMattZ said:

bboy87 said:

Are you talking about Sony/ATV and their 10% share of EMI?

Sony triggered a clause in the agreement to where MJ's estate had to either sell their share or buy Sony's share, so TMJE took the $750 million buyout. The last part of the sell was the EMI share. In all, they recieved over a billion dollars

Mijac is still owned by the estate and holds over 600 songs including Michael's, Sly Stone, Hall and Oates, and Gamble and Huff

[Edited 8/20/18 18:05pm]

Thanks Bboy. Yes, that's what I was referring to. Months back I'd heard about it being officially sold, and unfortunately where I'm staying at at the moment is NOT conducive to getting anything done, and I cannot b.s. it at work to do the research. Thanks for clearing that up.


I thought it would be more lucrative to keep the publishing but I suppose they may want that lump sum? :-/ soooo you suppose sales will ultimately decline to the point that they're not generating anything?

Managing a corporate entity that Sony/ATV has become I imagine is a lot and we have to remember, the executors' job is to continue bringing it revenue for the heirs. They sold their 10% share of EMI which they acquired after Michael's death and only because of the Sony/ATV connection. They didn't buy the 10% and still was able to sell it for almost $300 million

Michael's sales declining to the point they're not generating anything? NAH We're talking about Michael Joesph Jackson. Look at current stats:

The Essential Michael Jackson is #2 on the Billboard Catalog chart and #44 on the Billboard 200

Thriller is #15 on the Vinyl chart

Number Ones is #51 in the UK

He's the #1 classic artist on Spotify and he received 24 new RIAA certifications

https://www.riaa.com/michael-jacksons-catalogue-garners-major-new-gold-platinum-awards/

People are introduced to his work everyday. MJ's legacy will be fine

2045RadicalMattZ said: