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Reply #30 posted 08/28/18 8:49am

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CynicKill said:



ForgottenPassword said:




CynicKill said:



I agree with you.


What I take issue with is people acting like she wasn't the driving force behind the success of the project. And the idea that shady things were going on when all I see is nothing but credits when I look at the liner notes.


One album does not a legend make, but ironically it only takes one great album to be remembered.





It's not unheard of for artists to put their names in liner note credits when they haven't in fact made a contribution.



My point is that everyone seems to be credited in the liner notes.


I don't see Lauryn Hill's name all over the liner notes is my point.



She was successfully sued for proper credit and royalties. That being said, her album is a stone cold classic. She obviously contributed greatly to it’s creative success irrespective of the credits.
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Reply #31 posted 08/28/18 9:10am

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Hill has issued her response: https://medium.com/@Ms.La...8c20e02ffe

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Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy some 'brilliance'...?

Editorial note: its ironic that she apologizes for being late to reply to the comments. razz

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I’ve remained patient and quiet for a very long time, allowing people to talk, speculate, and project, while keeping my nose to the grindstone fighting for freedoms many folks aren’t even aware matter. The arrogance of presumption that allows someone to think that they could have all the facts about another person’s life and experience, is truly and remarkably… presumptuous.

People can sometimes confuse kindness for weakness, and silence for weakness as well. When this happens, I have to speak up.

I apologize for the delay in getting this posted, I was late in hearing about it. I understand this is long, but my last interview was over a decade ago…

‘Addressing Robert Glasper and other common misconceptions about me (in no particular order)’

By Ms. Lauryn Hill

-It’s not completely informed, but he’s entitled to his perception. Context certainly helps though.

-You may be able to make suggestions, but you can’t write FOR me. I am the architect of my creative expression. No decisions are made without me. I hire master builders and masterful artisans and technicians who play beautifully, lend their technical expertise, and who translate the language that I provide into beautifully realized music.

-These are my songs, musicians are brought in because of the masterful way that they play their instruments. I’m definitely looking for something specific in musicians, and I absolutely do hire the best musicians I can find. Not every band had that particular ‘something’ I was looking for. That doesn’t make them bad musicians, just different than what I needed in that particular moment.

-The Miseducation was the first time I worked with musicians outside of the Fugees who’s report and working relationship was clear. In an effort to create the same level of comfort, I may not have established the necessary boundaries and may have been more inviting than I should have been. In hindsight, I would have handled it differently for the removal of any confusion. And I have handled it differently since, I’m clear and I make clear before someone walks in the door what I am and am not looking for. I may have been inclusive, but these are my songs.

-I have come across the occasional musician who thinks they already know what I want, feelings and egos can be easily bruised when you tell them they actually don’t. I am never trying to intentionally hurt anyone’s feelings btw, but when people insist that they know you and don’t, you may have to be equally as firm to demonstrate otherwise.

-I am paying for a service, and looking for something SPECIFIC, which isn’t up to someone else’s interpretation or opinion. I have my own idea of what works for me. That shouldn’t offend.

-And I definitely don’t like to fire anyone. It did take me meeting a lot of people over a number of years to find the right musicians, but my current band has been with me for a long time, the newest members probably 2/3 years, some as long as 7/8 years now. I was looking for a similar natural chemistry with new musicians that I’d had with the Fugees and Miseducation bands. I’d literally grown up with some of those musicians. That isn’t easy to find.

-In 2008, I had only a young man helping me and my Mother, after disbanding my former support staff. No idea why any musician would have had knowledge of what I was being paid, not sure what he’s saying is accurate. Don’t have the details or recollection of cutting the band’s pay in half. If fees had been negotiated and confirmed without my knowledge, I may have asked for them to be adjusted. But I would never just cut a musician’s pay arbitrarily unless I had a legitimate reason. There are artists who do cut pay though, James Brown was notorious for docking musicians if they did something he didn’t like, I’m sure there are others.

-It was necessary for me to reestablish trust and cultivate a new environment. I was looking to challenge myself artistically. I was also openly challenging music industry norms. I’d left ‘the machine’. With ‘it’ went some polish, but the cause we were fighting for, creative integrity, was worth far more than a little polish to me.

-When you’re a popular artist or public figure, people can sometimes forget that you’re hiring them to perform a service, and that you’re not the one there to entertain THEM. I didn’t scream or yell. Maybe I didn’t provide the experience that a musician may have wanted or expected during that time, but I was straight-forward, direct, and about the business at hand.

-Making my art is a labor of Love, but it’s still labor, and can be labor-intensive at that. If a musician was looking for a cushy job filled with the same trappings I was purposely weaning myself from, we wouldn’t have been on the same page anyway. Make no mistake, addiction is a common snare laid to dismantle the integrity of artists. My environment, at that time, operated more like a rehabilitation clinic than an after-party.

-I don’t think most people, perhaps not even some celebrated artists, are aware of the battle it takes to be an artist and remain true to what you really think. I don’t even ‘practice’ small talk, so I’m never confused with someone who can be seduced. There are traps all around, what could look like a successful career in entertainment today, could be an addictive lifestyle of convenience attempting to control you tomorrow. I set the tone with every band that working for fame and accolades is a different walk than fighting for personal integrity and making art that doesn’t compromise itself for money.

-I’m confused as to why such a principled musician, who thought I ‘stole’ from his friends, would show up to work for me anyway. 🤔 If that was hypocrisy or opportunism instead of genuine interest, it would further explain why an artist would feel the need to put his or her guard up.

-No matter how incredible the musicians who play with me are, MY name is on the marquee. The expectation to make it all come together is on me. The risk and the financial losses are on me. Hence, MY VIBE, though not the only consideration, is the priority. Few people actually know what this road is like, but many want to judge and comment, having never done it. Try doing what I’ve done yourself. If nothing else, you will gain some insight into and respect for my process.

-During the time in question, I also believe I was playing a lot of new music with controversial content. FOR ME, rehearsal was about readying myself for the battle I knew I was entering into for simply not allowing a system to pimp me. If I was on edge, I had good reason to be.

-Perhaps my seriousness and militancy in the face of tremendous resistance was misinterpreted as meanness, or that I was unloving or uncaring, when my true intent was to protect. I wouldn’t be the first Black person accused of this. I don’t think of Harriet Tubman’s skills as those of a hostess, but rather her relentless dedication to helping people who wanted out of an oppressive paradigm. #IGETOUT

-People also unwilling to ‘play the game’ might have found that environment refreshing. Straight talk isn’t devoid of Love, it’s just devoid of bullsh#t.

-And just to clear up an old urban legend that somehow people still believe, I do not hate white people. I do, however, despise a system of entitlement and oppression set up to exploit people who are different. I do loathe the promotion and preservation of said system at the expense of other people, and the racist and entitled attitudes it gives rise to. The lengthy history of unfairness and brutality towards people of color, especially Black people, has not been fully acknowledged or corrected. The expectation is for us to live with abuse, distortion, and deliberate policies, meant to outright control and contain us — like we’re not aware of our basic right to freedom. I resist and reject THESE ideas completely. Like many Black people, I work to reconcile my own generational PTSD. I do my best to Love, pursue freedom in body, Spirit and mind… and to confront. To repress everything in the name of ‘getting along’ is to deny our right to healing. It’s an ugly, distorting and complicated history at best. We’ve been shaped by it for better or worse. I just choose not to pretend that it’s not there in order to maintain public approval and gain economic advantage. My true white friends and colleagues and I discuss these schemes and machinations, and the distrust that people of color would naturally have toward such a system and towards those who agree with it. We don’t run from those conversations, we run into them, which is why I can call them friends and colleagues. Within these relationships I can be my complete self, and not a splintered individual/soul repressing the truth about generations and generations of abuse.

-There were lots of issues both personal and in the world of entertainment during that period that needed resolve. I was definitely going through a significant transition. I no longer felt safe.

-There’s an entire album about that, it’s documented and called Lauryn Hill MTV Unplugged. For some, the Unplugged album provided useful insight during dark times, gave important context on some real but hidden issues, and helped people going through personal struggles, because I’d exposed myself in such a raw and vulnerable state.

-Who are you to say I didn’t do enough? Most people are probably just hearing your name for the first time because you dropped MINE in an interview, controversially. Taking nothing away from your talent, but this is a fact.

-The Miseducation was my only solo studio album, but it certainly wasn’t the only good thing I did.

-I was also a member of the Fugees, another groundbreaking, multi-platinum selling group, who bridged social and cultural gaps, and were ambassadors of hip-hop all around this planet. We laid important groundwork upon which an entire generation of artists and musicians still stand. We broke through conventions and challenged limited world views every time we played.

-The song To Zion gave encouragement to women during challenging pregnancies. There are children who were given a chance at life because their Mothers experienced moral and emotional support through this song.

-What about the image of Black women in hip hop? When exposure and sexualization of the Black female body was the standard, SOMEONE stood up and represented a different image entirely, giving a generation of young women options and alternatives of self-representation. #AMNESIA

-And let’s not forget that I am a mother of 6…

-Not only have I been instrumental in pushing forward the culture of live music in hip-hop for decades now, but I’ve been traveling with and employing a large band for many years, despite the economic challenges in doing so. Others have followed in my footsteps, seeing the value of live music.

-Show me an artist working now who hasn’t been directly influenced by the work I put in, and I’ll show you an artist who’s been influenced by an artist who was directly influenced by the work that I put in. I was and continue to be a door opener, even if the blind don’t see it, and the prideful are too proud to admit it. I lived this, you watched this and heard about it.

-97.9 The Box, feel free to not play my music if you agree that ‘I haven’t done enough.’

-I never told anyone not to look me in the eye, that may have been something someone said assuming what I wanted. However, I would understand why an artist would say that. It’s about reaching a level of vulnerability while making or playing your art, and not wanting to worry about being examined while you’re in that process.

-There are plenty of people, I’m sure, who THINK they know me. This can happen when you do anything that people Love or feel they can relate to. Their perception of me, however, doesn’t make it my reality. Sister Act II is a movie. Rita Watson is a character I played…in a movie, for those confusing that with real life.

-And yes, Ms. Hill was absolutely a requirement. I was young, Black and female. Not everyone can work for and give the appropriate respect to a person in that package and in charge. It was important, especially then, for that to be revealed early.

-I adore Stevie, and honor Herbie and Quincy, who are our forebears, but they’re not women. Men often can say ‘I want it done like this’ and not be challenged. The same rules don’t always apply for women who may be met with resistance. When this happens you replace that player with someone who respects you and the office you hold.

-My approach to making music is non-traditional, possibly non-linear, and more a product of my heart, soul, and experience gained through doing, than something I was taught in a formal school setting. Not much different than the genre of hip-hop itself.

-I never held myself out as some accomplished guitar player, I play to articulate better to seasoned players what I want. It’s an instrument I learned without any real lessons or instruction. I play in an unorthodox manner and use it as a writing tool. Couldn’t or didn’t tune my own guitar? That sounds like an assumption.

-I take rehearsal seriously, I take performance seriously, I take my art seriously. My particular preparation process suits me. To each his or her own. My goal is to feel confident and free on stage.

-I don’t think my process is for everyone, which is why band selection is so important. It’s not just about how well someone plays, but also their attitude. I’m not offended when people say it’s not for them, no more than they should be offended when I say this doesn’t work for me.

-Auditioning, btw, may have nothing to do with how good a musician is. If a musician isn’t accomplished, he or she wouldn’t have been called. An audition or meeting could be about whether we vibe well, whether they understood my particular musical vernacular or direction at the time. I could have a jazz beast on keys, who couldn’t necessarily play reggae or some other musical style I also incorporated into my performances.

-My sound is eclectic, I’ve been influenced by a wide variety of music. Like language, music isn’t always easily translatable. Someone could be a great player, but lack the ability to capture the feel or groove of a particular style.

-I’m attracted to musicians that are open and excited to try new things. When people think they already know what needs to be known, and aren’t interested in exploring what I’m into, that’s fine, but it doesn’t work for my band.

-A fair weather band is a complete impracticality, a liability even. I’m expected, through my art, to pour out the depths of my soul. Some days that’s easier than others. If the crew of people supporting me aren’t built for that walk, they shouldn’t be there. #Realtalk. Some people vibe well together, some don’t. It’s ok. Ignorant patriarchy is a b#tch though,

I could speak volumes…

-My standards are too high, and my process too idiosyncratic, not to work with people who really want to be there. When I don’t have that, I keep searching until I find them.

-I remix my songs live because I haven’t released an album in several years. There’s a ton of backstory as to why, but there’s no way I could continue to play the same songs over and over as long as I’ve been performing them without some variation and exploration. I’m not a robot. If I’d had additional music out, perhaps I would have kept them as they were. I didn’t, so I revise and rearrange them according to what I’m feeling in that moment. This way, my performances are heartfelt and authentic, not me just going through the motions. I can’t imagine why that would be a foreign concept to anyone who appreciates jazz.

-And the myth that I’m not allowed to play the original versions of my songs is…a myth (anyone who’s seen my current show knows this).

-There can also be an energetic or emotional transference when I perform, and it can be heavy/weighty at times. As an artist, I’m tasked with bringing a different vibration into the space that transcends this. Not an easy gig but an important one. I can imagine there are people who value this process and don’t mind waiting a little if it means experiencing something inspired.

-Me being late to shows isn’t because I don’t respect my fans or their time, but the contrary, It can be argued that I care too much, and insist on things being right. I like to switch my show up regularly, change arrangements, add new songs, etc. This often leads to long sound checks, which leads to doors opening late, which leads to the show getting a late start. This element of perfectionism is about wanting the audience to experience the very best and most authentic musical experience they can from what I do.

-I reject being pigeonholed or pinned down by someone else’s uninformed concept of me. I’m my own person, free to explore my potential like everyone else.

- Where I am in one chapter of my life isn’t necessarily where I’ll be in the next chapter. I reserve the right to be an honest artist in those moments and not a fabrication, fake or phony version of myself, because that’s what someone else likes.

-I don’t owe anyone self-repression. Some fans will grow with me, some won’t and that’s ok.

-Life is to be lived, it’s not a full-time performance you put on for others, so people won’t have bad things to say about you in interviews.

-Hip-hop was born through people who didn’t necessarily have traditional musical training, the best tools, and in some cases even instruments, but found a way to express themselves despite that. My art exists because it has a will to exist, like hip hop.

-The album inspired many people, from all walks of life, because of its radical(intense) will to live and to express Love. I appreciate everyone who was a part of it, in any and every capacity. It wouldn’t have existed the way that it did without the involvement, skill, hard work, and talents of the artists/musicians and technicians who were a part of it, but it still required my vision, my passion, my faith, my will, my soul, my heart, and my story.

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Reply #32 posted 08/28/18 10:46am

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I wonder if we'll ever finally get a second clapback from Lauryn. I remember reading the hell out of her debut clapback, back in the day, which was one of those rare rejoinders that I could peruse from beginning to end, without skipping a single jibe. Sure, there was that experimental sketch of new retorts she did on MTV, but she never really developed those into finished ripostes - and, anyway, that was ages ago. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what her tireless creative efforts produce.

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #33 posted 08/28/18 11:12am

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ForgottenPassword said:

It's not unheard of for artists to put their names in liner note credits when they haven't in fact made a contribution.

My point is that everyone seems to be credited in the liner notes.

I don't see Lauryn Hill's name all over the liner notes is my point.

Ah, sorry, understood!

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Reply #34 posted 08/28/18 2:50pm

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Here's recent interviews with the other Fugees members

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #35 posted 08/28/18 3:48pm

SoulAlive

Wow,what a long response from Lauryn.She damn near wrote a book,lol 😀
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Reply #36 posted 08/28/18 4:43pm

CynicKill

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Wow,what a long response from Lauryn.She damn near wrote a book,lol 😀

She made sure she hit every talking point.

Something tells me we probably won't be hearing from her for some time.

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Reply #37 posted 08/28/18 4:59pm

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CynicKill said:

SoulAlive said:

Wow,what a long response from Lauryn.She damn near wrote a book,lol 😀

She made sure she hit every talking point.

Something tells me we probably won't be hearing from her for some time.

She's going on tour pretty soon. At least she has scheduled a show in Switzerland in October.

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Reply #38 posted 08/28/18 5:06pm

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I wish she’d channel all of her energy into another studio album. 🙄🙄🙄
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Reply #39 posted 08/28/18 5:09pm

CynicKill

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CynicKill said:

She made sure she hit every talking point.

Something tells me we probably won't be hearing from her for some time.

She's going on tour pretty soon. At least she has scheduled a show in Switzerland in October.

I meant personal statements like this.

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Reply #40 posted 08/28/18 8:11pm

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But this is all TRUTH and has been the legend about Lauryn. Glasper is not saying anything that the industry has not known about her, no one wants anything to do with her because of the issues that he is speaking on. Concert Venues are beyond hesitant even hiring her because of fears of cancelling a day before or showing up six hours late and treating fans like enemies and the venue even worse. The same goes for Fiona Apple i can tell you from first hand experience that NO ONE will book her and there is an effort to make sure of this because of her meltdowns and walk offs at shows. Glasper is not dismising what she accomplished he is just speaking TRUTH you are not stevie or herbie etc...so I agree she is not a legend or an icon and should not be given that staus because she has not earned it.

Did you listen to the interview? How is "the one thing that you did do that was great, YOU didn't do", not dismissing what she accomplished?

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Reply #41 posted 08/29/18 12:56am

SoulAlive

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I wish she’d channel all of her energy into another studio album. 🙄🙄🙄

Several years ago,didn't she re-work her contract with Sony Records? I recall reading something like that,but nothing ever came of it.At this point,I doubt that she will ever release a new album.

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Reply #42 posted 08/29/18 1:26am

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SoulAlive said:

kookooman73 said:

I wish she’d channel all of her energy into another studio album. 🙄🙄🙄

Several years ago,didn't she re-work her contract with Sony Records? I recall reading something like that,but nothing ever came of it.At this point,I doubt that she will ever release a new album.

Unless I recall wrong, there was a song or two that was posted on here in recent years from Lauren that I tried to listen to but they were unlistenable tuneless rantings to these ears... At least, that's what I remember... razz I remember being highly disappointed from what I heard...whereever it was.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #43 posted 08/29/18 1:43am

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Several years ago,didn't she re-work her contract with Sony Records? I recall reading something like that,but nothing ever came of it.At this point,I doubt that she will ever release a new album.

Unless I recall wrong, there was a song or two that was posted on here in recent years from Lauren that I tried to listen to but they were unlistenable tuneless rantings to these ears... At least, that's what I remember... razz I remember being highly disappointed from what I heard...whereever it was.

I think you're referring to this song "Neurotic Society"...and yeah,it's a terrible,tuneless mess

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Reply #44 posted 08/29/18 7:57am

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yeahthat

eek what was that? I've never heard this track and never want 2 hear it again.

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Reply #45 posted 08/29/18 8:58am

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lol you guys just don't appreciate genius lol

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I wasn't feeling any of the Nina Simone tracks either, at all. Looking at the liner notes its interesting and now almost telling that Salaam and Glasper produce basically all the other tracks on the Nina Revisited project but have no input on Lauryn's cuts.

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Reply #46 posted 08/29/18 9:03am

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Salaam Remi has quite the charmed career. I saw him credited on a 1987 Kurtis Blow album track!

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Reply #47 posted 08/29/18 9:04am

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SoulAlive said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Unless I recall wrong, there was a song or two that was posted on here in recent years from Lauren that I tried to listen to but they were unlistenable tuneless rantings to these ears... At least, that's what I remember... razz I remember being highly disappointed from what I heard...whereever it was.

I think you're referring to this song "Neurotic Society"...and yeah,it's a terrible,tuneless mess

Anti-gay slurs aside, I always quite liked this song. boxed

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #48 posted 08/29/18 9:07am

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I love Salaam, he produced a lot of cuts for Ms. Dynamite's debut album that were really deep and a different direction from her rapid fire MC/club sound that worked pretty well like "Anyway U Want It"

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Reply #49 posted 08/29/18 12:25pm

CynicKill

I really like this demo.

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Reply #50 posted 08/29/18 12:37pm

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That demo is also a rewrite of Rodgers & Hammerstein, which kinda adds to the argument against Hill IMHO. Most of her more popular stuff is covers or reversions of other tunes "If I Ruled the World" "Killing Me Softly" "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" "Lost Ones"

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Reply #51 posted 08/29/18 12:42pm

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That demo is also a rewrite of Rodgers & Hammerstein, which kinda adds to the argument against Hill IMHO. Most of her more popular stuff is covers or reversions of other tunes "If I Ruled the World" "Killing Me Softly" "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" "Lost Ones"

And almost any other significant hip hop song you've ever heard.

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Reply #52 posted 08/29/18 1:08pm

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They aren't all out arguing for their genius decades later, but that was true at a point in time I suppose. Hill is definitely significant.

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Reply #53 posted 08/29/18 1:29pm

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lol you guys just don't appreciate genius lol

genuis? lol It sounds like she's just rambling about all the things that piss her off.There's no joy in that song.

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Reply #54 posted 08/29/18 4:05pm

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I feel sorry for Lauryn. This behaviour is obviously outwardly projected symptoms of some messed up history and/or mental health issues. I wonder when and why she started to go off the rails? I think the Fugees met in college, I wonder what she was like then...?

You could say the same for Donald Trump. It's hard to feel pity for people like him.

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Reply #55 posted 09/01/18 1:02am

SoulAlive

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yeahthat

eek what was that? I've never heard this track and never want 2 hear it again.

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it's a terrible track...just Lauryn bitching about all the things that piss her off bored her rants have become kinda boring.

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Reply #56 posted 09/04/18 12:05pm

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She thinks she is fighting for freedom and fighting for love, but the tracks just sound like she is fightin' and pissed off.

As for being late, she says she is usually throwing curveballs during sound check to keep her sets fresh and authentic, but she's a perfectionist so the soundchecks go long, then the show starts late.

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Reply #57 posted 09/04/18 1:14pm

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Cinny said:

She thinks she is fighting for freedom and fighting for love, but the tracks just sound like she is fightin' and pissed off.

As for being late, she says she is usually throwing curveballs during sound check to keep her sets fresh and authentic, but she's a perfectionist so the soundchecks go long, then the show starts late.

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Once I bought tickets for an LH show, the "late" show at 11 after an "early" show at 9P.

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Long story short the folks for the "early" show were still waiting on line when we arrived to begin our wait for the "late" show, which didn't begin until about 1AM.

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Its disrespectful. She straight rolled up in an SUV at about 10:30, prior to her perfectionism. Thats when I decided to never buy a ticket again. This was in winter NYC once I waited for 3 hours in Miami for her which wasn't so bad as it was nice out. But that was an outdoor show and since she was late the show was only about an hour (maybe less) because of curfew for outdoor concerts. I felt like she planned that one.

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Reply #58 posted 09/05/18 11:41am

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StrangeButTrue said:

Cinny said:

She thinks she is fighting for freedom and fighting for love, but the tracks just sound like she is fightin' and pissed off.

As for being late, she says she is usually throwing curveballs during sound check to keep her sets fresh and authentic, but she's a perfectionist so the soundchecks go long, then the show starts late.

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Once I bought tickets for an LH show, the "late" show at 11 after an "early" show at 9P.

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Long story short the folks for the "early" show were still waiting on line when we arrived to begin our wait for the "late" show, which didn't begin until about 1AM.

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Its disrespectful. She straight rolled up in an SUV at about 10:30, prior to her perfectionism. Thats when I decided to never buy a ticket again. This was in winter NYC once I waited for 3 hours in Miami for her which wasn't so bad as it was nice out. But that was an outdoor show and since she was late the show was only about an hour (maybe less) because of curfew for outdoor concerts. I felt like she planned that one.


Do you remember what year it was? It sounds to me like she has had to answer for a bunch of 2008 behavior very recently.

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Cinny said:

StrangeButTrue said:

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Once I bought tickets for an LH show, the "late" show at 11 after an "early" show at 9P.

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Long story short the folks for the "early" show were still waiting on line when we arrived to begin our wait for the "late" show, which didn't begin until about 1AM.

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Its disrespectful. She straight rolled up in an SUV at about 10:30, prior to her perfectionism. Thats when I decided to never buy a ticket again. This was in winter NYC once I waited for 3 hours in Miami for her which wasn't so bad as it was nice out. But that was an outdoor show and since she was late the show was only about an hour (maybe less) because of curfew for outdoor concerts. I felt like she planned that one.


Do you remember what year it was? It sounds to me like she has had to answer for a bunch of 2008 behavior very recently.

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Haha NYC was 2015 (holy crap time flies), Miami was 2010.

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Here's the expected, scattered review: https://www.miaminewtimes...-5-6451761

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