jjhunsecker said:

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said: the whole entertainment industry is crass and shallow...to the victors go the spoils...its hiphop culture to talk that slick shit IF YOU GOT IT...and Jay and Beyonce have more than earned the right to celebrate their successes out loud... not sure why that makes people mad

It's very crass to constantly talk about how much money you have , and what material items you own. At least the way I personally was raised . Which is probably one of the main reasons I was never a huge fan of Hip-hop. I prefer something a little deeper...I recall one artist, Cody ChestnuTT, who said about most Hip-hop, "How does it help my life hearing about how many gold chains YOU own" ?

Hip hop was founded on rapping about how you badder than the rest. Do you listen to rap or u just talking out the side of your neck? If you are not a fan of hip hop don't comment on things you are not part of, listen to, or understand. I again ask you for receipts

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said:

It's very crass to constantly talk about how much money you have , and what material items you own. At least the way I personally was raised . Which is probably one of the main reasons I was never a huge fan of Hip-hop. I prefer something a little deeper...I recall one artist, Cody ChestnuTT, who said about most Hip-hop, "How does it help my life hearing about how many gold chains YOU own" ?

i stopped reading after Cody Chestnutt...

But it's a great quote no matter who said it .

Too much hip-hop and contemporary R&B is devoted to the celebration of wealth and materialism

jjhunsecker said:

but who listens to music to "help their life"??...most people want to be entertained by beats, rhythms and lyricism...if youre listening to music for self help messages and divine guidance, youre doing it all wrong...

paisleypark4 said:

jjhunsecker said:

It's very crass to constantly talk about how much money you have , and what material items you own. At least the way I personally was raised . Which is probably one of the main reasons I was never a huge fan of Hip-hop. I prefer something a little deeper...I recall one artist, Cody ChestnuTT, who said about most Hip-hop, "How does it help my life hearing about how many gold chains YOU own" ?

Hip hop was founded on rapping about how you badder than the rest. Do you listen to rap or u just talking out the side of your neck? If you are not a fan of hip hop don't comment on things you are not part of, listen to, or understand. I again ask you for receipts

I don't listen to much rap...as a person raised on Stevie Wonder , Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, The Beatles, Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones- most of it is too childish and simplistic for me. That's just my opinion...if others love it, then that's fine by me...

But here's a quote from the album :

“BOSS”

“My great-great-grandchildren already rich/ That's a lot of brown children on your Forbes list/ Probably looking around my compound on my fortress…. I be ridin’ around with my seat reclining/ Droppin’ my daughter off at school every morning” —Beyoncé,

“NICE”

“My success can’t be quantified/ If I gave two fucks about streaming numbers, would’ve put 'Lemonade' up on Spotify/ Fuck you, fuck you”

“APESHIT"

“I said no to the Super Bowl/ You need me, I don't need you/ Every night we in the end zone/ Tell the NFL we in stadiums too” —JAY-Z

"The fro that I grow got no perm in it. May be late, but I’m best dressed. Got slowed down by the weight of my necklaces." - Jay Z on BLACK EFFECT

"I give my daughter my custom dresses, she gon be litty. Vintage pieces by the time she hit the city.” Beyonce on LOVE HAPPY

"I’m good anywhere I go, anywhere I go, I pull up like the Freedom Riders, hop out on Rodeo.” - Beyonce on BLACK EFFECT

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said:

But it's a great quote no matter who said it .

Too much hip-hop and contemporary R&B is devoted to the celebration of wealth and materialism

but who listens to music to "help their life"??...most people want to be entertained by beats, rhythms and lyricism...if youre listening to music for self help messages and divine guidance, youre doing it all wrong...

I want something to enlighten me, to show me something interesting, or a different perspective or opinion, or to make me think or get angry or to laugh. Sometimes pure escapism is fun too....but a person can't survive on a diet of cotton candy and bubblegum and White Castle their whole lives

jjhunsecker said:

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said: but who listens to music to "help their life"??...most people want to be entertained by beats, rhythms and lyricism...if youre listening to music for self help messages and divine guidance, youre doing it all wrong...

I want something to enlighten me, to show me something interesting, or a different perspective or opinion, or to make me think or get angry or to laugh. Sometimes pure escapism is fun too....but a person can't survive on a diet of cotton candy and bubblegum and White Castle their whole lives

thats an awkward analogy... food consumption and entertainment options cannot not be quantifiably compared... you tried though...

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said:

I want something to enlighten me, to show me something interesting, or a different perspective or opinion, or to make me think or get angry or to laugh. Sometimes pure escapism is fun too....but a person can't survive on a diet of cotton candy and bubblegum and White Castle their whole lives

thats an awkward analogy... food consumption and entertainment options cannot not be quantifiably compared... you tried though...

To me, music is as important as food....

And some would only eat cotton candy and bubble gum and potato chips if they could...but it wouldn't be nourishing or help them grow

jjhunsecker said:

Too much hip-hop and contemporary R&B is devoted to the celebration of wealth and materialism

A lot of old blues songs is talking about cars, having diamond rings, or how many women they got or a female singer bragging about how she can take another woman's man. Bragging is pretty much what Morris Day does too. Bragging in songs didn't start with hip hop, nor did violence. One of the most remade songs is Stagger Lee/Stag O Lee. Even if the songs are not directly bragging, sometimes the images presented are.

MickyDolenz said:

True. But the old Blues artists covered other subjects, and other emotions, as well. Anybody just bragging in every song would not be something I personally would want to listen to.
And someone like Morris Day did it with humor. It was practically a satire on that mindset. But with Bey and Jay, their wealth and fame is the answer to any question or criticism. Basically, "I can't be wrong, because I'm RICH, bitch !"
[Edited 6/27/18 12:55pm]

jjhunsecker said:

paisleypark4 said:

Hip hop was founded on rapping about how you badder than the rest. Do you listen to rap or u just talking out the side of your neck? If you are not a fan of hip hop don't comment on things you are not part of, listen to, or understand. I again ask you for receipts

I don't listen to much rap...as a person raised on Stevie Wonder , Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, The Beatles, Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones- most of it is too childish and simplistic for me. That's just my opinion...if others love it, then that's fine by me...

I dont see the issue in a married couple discussing their accomplishments. The hip hop community has NEVER had a strong couple making a full album in the celebration of their love and problems. You may have chosen to hear what you wanted to hear because while some of it is flashy ... they are not just doing it for entertainment they are celebrating themselves. Now, the actual execution is hit or miss, but really if you don't listen to hip hop ... cant really take the argument seriously. i was raised on the same exact music as you and still got my ears in the streets. Not everyone grew up with the same influences man...but I am sure Beyonce and Jay listened to the same people you have.

paisleypark4 said:

I say right from the top I'm not a fan of most hip-hop music because I personally find it too simplistic, both musically and lyrically. That's just my opinion. And I find the constant boasting about wealth and material goods by Beyoncé and Jay-Z, separate and together, annoying to me as an individual. (I remember watching a Beyoncé concert on TV, and between every song she was talking about how many hits she's had and how many gold records and such). But if other people don't mind this type of braggadocio, then that's OK with me.

jjhunsecker said:

If you understoodd the foundation of where the genre of hip hop was birthed from and why a lot of the music is the way it is.

The genre of hip hop was and still is always about competition, so that is where the braggadocio comes from? I am better than you, I am badder than you and implicitly, hip hop had to be in order to be respected by status quo of society who didn't respect it.

Every subculture of the black community and Latin community, for that matter, can relate to the struggle, the "swag" of finally making it in a culture that has tried to suppress the success of minorities in history.

It's like, "Damn it, I am a Champion! I work my heart out to do this, to get out of the environment that I grew up in to accomplish this and y'all can do it but if you're coming for my throne, you'll never get it, cause I worked to get mi

jjhunsecker said:

If you understoodd the foundation of where the genre of hip hop was birthed from and why a lot of the music is the way it is.

The genre of hip hop was and still is always about competition, so that is where the braggadocio comes from? I am better than you, I am badder than you and implicitly, hip hop had to be in order to be respected by status quo of society who didn't respect it.

Every subculture of the black community and Latin community, for that matter, can relate to the struggle, the "swag" of finally making it in a culture that has tried to suppress the success of minorities in history.

It's like, "Damn it, I am a Champion! I work my heart out to do this, to get out of the environment that I grew up in to accomplish this and y'all can do it but if you're coming for my throne, you'll never get it, cause I worked to get mine so work to create your own!" Once you understand it from that perspective, this will hopefully explain it to everyone.

Curtwill1975 said:

jjhunsecker said:

But it's a great quote no matter who said it .

Too much hip-hop and contemporary R&B is devoted to the celebration of wealth and materialism

If you understoodd the foundation of where the genre of hip hop was birthed from and why a lot of the music is the way it is. The genre of hip hop was and still is always about competition, so that is where the braggadocio comes from? I am better than you, I am badder than you and implicitly, hip hop had to be in order to be respected by status quo of society who didn't respect it. Every subculture of the black community and Latin community, for that matter, can relate to the struggle, the "swag" of finally making it in a culture that has tried to suppress the success of minorities in history. It's like, "Damn it, I am a Champion! I work my heart out to do this, to get out of the environment that I grew up in to accomplish this and y'all can do it but if you're coming for my throne, you'll never get it, cause I worked to get mine so work to create your own!" Once you understand it from that perspective, this will hopefully explain it to everyone.

I wanted to like it but it's just boring. I appreciate the lyrics that were shared here, but I can't sit through it. I think their duets during the B'Day era were the best and full of passion, something they couldn't fake. She was in her prime onstage up until the Beyonce era, and at her creative peak between the B'Day to Lemonade period. She's fine on her own and appreciate she tried to do a duet album, but it's musically boring. Even janet and JD working on an album together was a bust and they are better off producing with other people instead of each other on a full album....didn't beyonce want to start a boyband or something?

[Edited 8/15/18 11:14am]

jjhunsecker said:

paisleypark4 said:

Hip hop was founded on rapping about how you badder than the rest. Do you listen to rap or u just talking out the side of your neck? If you are not a fan of hip hop don't comment on things you are not part of, listen to, or understand. I again ask you for receipts

I don't listen to much rap...as a person raised on Stevie Wonder , Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, The Beatles, Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Bob Dylan and The Rolling Stones- most of it is too childish and simplistic for me. That's just my opinion...if others love it, then that's fine by me...

But here's a quote from the album :

“BOSS”

“My great-great-grandchildren already rich/ That's a lot of brown children on your Forbes list/ Probably looking around my compound on my fortress…. I be ridin’ around with my seat reclining/ Droppin’ my daughter off at school every morning” —Beyoncé,

“NICE”

“My success can’t be quantified/ If I gave two fucks about streaming numbers, would’ve put 'Lemonade' up on Spotify/ Fuck you, fuck you”

“APESHIT"

“I said no to the Super Bowl/ You need me, I don't need you/ Every night we in the end zone/ Tell the NFL we in stadiums too” —JAY-Z

"The fro that I grow got no perm in it. May be late, but I’m best dressed. Got slowed down by the weight of my necklaces." - Jay Z on BLACK EFFECT

"I give my daughter my custom dresses, she gon be litty. Vintage pieces by the time she hit the city.” Beyonce on LOVE HAPPY

"I’m good anywhere I go, anywhere I go, I pull up like the Freedom Riders, hop out on Rodeo.” - Beyonce on BLACK EFFECT

Bars hot.

Rolling Stones made childish shit (too).