rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is usually African Americans that are the biggest critics. And Black girls who have 'hated on' Beyonce the most.

Well, he did say 'people'...no specific race. But I also feel AA are the biggest supporters, espeically with Formation/lemonade etc. on a IABTYWU steeze.

the implications as read in following posts is 'non blacks'.

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I don't know who the biggest supporters are. It could easily be even, it could easily be mostly women.

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I don't hate Beyonce, I've always defended her as an entertainer and person, when people(as usual) make very silly accusations. But I've even had a AA person on a FB group report a photo I posted of her and have it removed. If she does some kind of RnB music, Black americans feel ownership of the genre, and anyone producing watered down RnB will get it. It comes with the territory.
I'll look it up here, but when Whitney did, and RnB hardcore fan who is AA said they were glad because of what she did to RnB music.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-44008154/why-a-us-church-held-a-beyonc-mass

Its more so they used her name to bring the people in...they also had a Sister Act Mass. They used Beyonce's figure in the word to bring some cultural relevance to 'God'. I say it worked with over 900 people attending.

Soon as I see an artist swinging that hair, popping that waist, giving eye for the camera, dressed to the 9's, slaying on the mic and have some artistic merit and conviction in their music they most defenitley are getting my money. Name other women in the game outside of P!nk, Madonna and Janet snatching hoes out here.

I didnt like Beyonce first album and I didnt think the Destiny Child albums were iconic or anything...however by the time B*Day came out I had to stand up and give her props. By the time "Beyonce" came out I said to myself this bish is coming for wigs and crowns! She is a positive figure for women (and us gays love her) and that's why her fans fight for her.

paisleypark4 said:

Soon as I see an artist swinging that hair, popping that waist, giving eye for the camera, dressed to the 9's, slaying on the mic and have some artistic merit and conviction in their music they most defenitley are getting my money. Name other women in the game outside of P!nk, Madonna and Janet snatching hoes out here.

I didnt like Beyonce first album and I didnt think the Destiny Child albums were iconic or anything...however by the time B*Day came out I had to stand up and give her props. By the time "Beyonce" came out I said to myself this bish is coming for wigs and crowns! She is a positive figure for women (and us gays love her) and that's why her fans fight for her.

Seeing her live sealed the deal for me.

paisleypark4 said:

Soon as I see an artist swinging that hair, popping that waist, giving eye for the camera, dressed to the 9's, slaying on the mic and have some artistic merit and conviction in their music they most defenitley are getting my money. Name other women in the game outside of P!nk, Madonna and Janet snatching hoes out here.

I didnt like Beyonce first album and I didnt think the Destiny Child albums were iconic or anything...however by the time B*Day came out I had to stand up and give her props. By the time "Beyonce" came out I said to myself this bish is coming for wigs and crowns! She is a positive figure for women (and us gays love her) and that's why her fans fight for her.

I like the times when the 2 DC ladies join her. It takes her show up a few notches

OldFriends4Sale said:

paisleypark4 said:

Soon as I see an artist swinging that hair, popping that waist, giving eye for the camera, dressed to the 9's, slaying on the mic and have some artistic merit and conviction in their music they most defenitley are getting my money. Name other women in the game outside of P!nk, Madonna and Janet snatching hoes out here.

I didnt like Beyonce first album and I didnt think the Destiny Child albums were iconic or anything...however by the time B*Day came out I had to stand up and give her props. By the time "Beyonce" came out I said to myself this bish is coming for wigs and crowns! She is a positive figure for women (and us gays love her) and that's why her fans fight for her.

I like the times when the 2 DC ladies join her. It takes her show up a few notches

Me too, kind of humbles her image cuz she sure nuff wouldnt be where she is without them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

Well, he did say 'people'...no specific race. But I also feel AA are the biggest supporters, espeically with Formation/lemonade etc. on a IABTYWU steeze.

the implications as read in following posts is 'non blacks'.

.

I don't know who the biggest supporters are. It could easily be even, it could easily be mostly women.

.

I don't hate Beyonce, I've always defended her as an entertainer and person, when people(as usual) make very silly accusations. But I've even had a AA person on a FB group report a photo I posted of her and have it removed. If she does some kind of RnB music, Black americans feel ownership of the genre, and anyone producing watered down RnB will get it. It comes with the territory.
I'll look it up here, but when Whitney did, and RnB hardcore fan who is AA said they were glad because of what she did to RnB music.

The question of who is doing the hating is an interesting one. Most certainly part of it is envy, as a woman who looks like that, gets the critical and commercial success that she has, who is married to another superstar, and who presents herself as powerful rather than humble might push buttons of all types of people (racists, misogynists, the working poor, and the ugly ), Otherwise, people could just say I don't think she is that talented, I don't like the level of hype, or I dislike that song without trashing her completely. Personally, she is not a favorite of mine but I have enjoyed her last two albums. At least she makes albums now rather than a collection of singles. There are many other people in the world deserving of hate than her.

rdhull said:

at folks expecting her/them to be Bob Dylan.

Like I already said, an album does not have to be some navel gazing shit to be good. It's just not very interesting or fun or engaging on any level.

Two good songs...that's it.

babynoz said:

rdhull said:

at folks expecting her/them to be Bob Dylan.

Like I already said, an album does not have to be some navel gazing shit to be good. It's just not very interesting or fun or engaging on any level.

Two good songs...that's it.

Ive got to give it some time. I give them props for trapping etc instead of the tyical same styles they both use(d).

I engaged just by the theme of it all tho'

rdhull said:

babynoz said:

Like I already said, an album does not have to be some navel gazing shit to be good. It's just not very interesting or fun or engaging on any level.

Two good songs...that's it.

Ive got to give it some time. I give them props for trapping etc instead of the tyical same styles they both use(d).

I engaged just by the theme of it all tho'

Right we dont have many husband and wive albums in the r&b / rap genre so it a treat to see people in love making music together

paisleypark4 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I like the times when the 2 DC ladies join her. It takes her show up a few notches

Me too, kind of humbles her image cuz she sure nuff wouldnt be where she is without them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paisleypark4 said:

Me too, kind of humbles her image cuz she sure nuff wouldnt be where she is without them.

Go head and SLAY BITCHES!!!

ThatWhiteDude said:

paisleypark4 said:

She stopped giving interviews shortly after the Grammy performance. I think it ticked some people off, mostly casual fans and critics. It started to then give her a mysterious aura and turned her fans into the rabid "Beyhive". If anything it only helped her career. It was that Prince Show effect!!

[Edited 6/19/18 12:39pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

Well, he did say 'people'...no specific race. But I also feel AA are the biggest supporters, espeically with Formation/lemonade etc. on a IABTYWU steeze.

the implications as read in following posts is 'non blacks'.

.

I don't know who the biggest supporters are. It could easily be even, it could easily be mostly women.

.

I don't hate Beyonce, I've always defended her as an entertainer and person, when people(as usual) make very silly accusations. But I've even had a AA person on a FB group report a photo I posted of her and have it removed. If she does some kind of RnB music, Black americans feel ownership of the genre, and anyone producing watered down RnB will get it. It comes with the territory.
I'll look it up here, but when Whitney did, and RnB hardcore fan who is AA said they were glad because of what she did to RnB music.

I wouldn't call that mess she sings RnB, not the RnB that I listen to. Real RnB died a long time ago.

Curtwill1975 said:

I am legit surprised at the lack of vitriol that is shown on here. This board has been harsh on Beyoncé for a long time especially because her approach to music and entertainment is contemporary so it represents a lot of what made people mad at the music of that time. So this makes me more encouraged to speak my views on this album. I think it is a good solid album. I enjoyed it for the most part. For such a short EP, there are many songs that I enjoyed, like Summer, Friends, 713, and Black Effect, even songs that I am not a fan of, like Ape*hi*, I can respect people who do like it. One thing that has always been controversial musically about Beyoncé is her vocal styling approach. Since the beginning of her career, she has always merged the two vocal concepts of "signing" and "rapping" to form one vocal concept so of course, in her long career, she's done both separately as well so to me, I have never had a problem with her doing both separately as well as simultaneously, I am in love with her take on these things, she's a great vocal performer as far as arrangement and execution. So I was generally pleased with what I heard. I didn't want to judge the album prejudicially, Jay and Beyoncé are very polarising even as industry veterans, and I generally like there collaborations(they're also part of my least favorite Beyoncé song ever, "That's How You Like It") and I wasn't disappointed. But I am Beyoncé "Stan" and I respect Jay so I guess I am biased as far as making sweeping criticisms. Some people have polarising viewpoints about their marriage, I happen to like the they executed their talents to make(along with those who collaborated with them), to express the messages that they were expressing musically. That's my only expectation. As long I enjoy it, that's all that matters to me.

She always had a knack for the singing and rapping thing you are right even since No No No pt2. People always been hard on her on here despite Prince believing in her (AND Jay Z).

paisleypark4 said:

Curtwill1975 said:

I am legit surprised at the lack of vitriol that is shown on here. This board has been harsh on Beyoncé for a long time especially because her approach to music and entertainment is contemporary so it represents a lot of what made people mad at the music of that time. So this makes me more encouraged to speak my views on this album. I think it is a good solid album. I enjoyed it for the most part. For such a short EP, there are many songs that I enjoyed, like Summer, Friends, 713, and Black Effect, even songs that I am not a fan of, like Ape*hi*, I can respect people who do like it. One thing that has always been controversial musically about Beyoncé is her vocal styling approach. Since the beginning of her career, she has always merged the two vocal concepts of "signing" and "rapping" to form one vocal concept so of course, in her long career, she's done both separately as well so to me, I have never had a problem with her doing both separately as well as simultaneously, I am in love with her take on these things, she's a great vocal performer as far as arrangement and execution. So I was generally pleased with what I heard. I didn't want to judge the album prejudicially, Jay and Beyoncé are very polarising even as industry veterans, and I generally like there collaborations(they're also part of my least favorite Beyoncé song ever, "That's How You Like It") and I wasn't disappointed. But I am Beyoncé "Stan" and I respect Jay so I guess I am biased as far as making sweeping criticisms. Some people have polarising viewpoints about their marriage, I happen to like the they executed their talents to make(along with those who collaborated with them), to express the messages that they were expressing musically. That's my only expectation. As long I enjoy it, that's all that matters to me.

She always had a knack for the singing and rapping thing you are right even since No No No pt2. People always been hard on her on here despite Prince believing in her (AND Jay Z).

He believed in Carmen Electra & Tony M too...just saying lol

People are not going to get into someone just because Prince liked them etc

Neither one of them does anything for me...but if people like 'em, enjoy.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm not a big fan of Beyoncé.

And Jay Z. has one of the most annoying voices I've ever heard.

But the "Apeshit"-song is surprisingly good IMO.

And the video is just great!

Good message, cool style!

2freaky4church1 said:

I tend to not like this kind of music but the single is a banger. The video is pretty deep. The Louvre doesn't just let anybody film there. Note the irony of the Eurocentric art and the black dancers. It is talking about how African Americans basically remade art. Good stuff you two. I know the haters on the org will chime in.

I listened to it for 10 secondfs because of your comment.

Lesson learned: dont even trust 2freaky's musical taste.

Curtwill1975 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He believed in Carmen Electra & Tony M too...just saying lol

People are not going to get into someone just because Prince liked them etc

And that's understandable. I spoke of the vitriol that Beyoncé has gotten particularly on this sub that can be OTT simply because they don't like her music. For example, PaisleyPark referenced Prince's comments about Beyonce's musicianship from a vocal arrangement and execution standpoint and because she doesn't do the music that many in here consider "quality" with many other underlying issues that have nothing to do with her music, that people basically dismissed it. The truth is, people who understand vocal pedagogy whether their opinion on Beyoncé's music would agree with him. There's a difference between not liking an entertainer's music and going over the top to downplay that entertainer(s)' talent and understanding of what they do because they are seen as villains that need to be defeated.

Right. I don't tear people down. I just like or don't like(or should I say I am into or not) for me most of the time I like a song or a few songs, or an album of an entertainer, but I don't dedicate myself to following them. I may get into a person and buy the albums that move me. And the ones that don't I skip. I never disliked Beyonce, and still don't understand the level of vitrol that comes her way. I think she has a great voice and easy on the eyes.

Prince was the last artist that I was a bonified 'fan' of in the way of fandom.

Curtwill1975 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He believed in Carmen Electra & Tony M too...just saying lol

People are not going to get into someone just because Prince liked them etc

And that's understandable. I spoke of the vitriol that Beyoncé has gotten particularly on this sub that can be OTT simply because they don't like her music. For example, PaisleyPark referenced Prince's comments about Beyonce's musicianship from a vocal arrangement and execution standpoint and because she doesn't do the music that many in here consider "quality" with many other underlying issues that have nothing to do with her music, that people basically dismissed it. The truth is, people who understand vocal pedagogy whether their opinion on Beyoncé's music would agree with him. There's a difference between not liking an entertainer's music and going over the top to downplay that entertainer(s)' talent and understanding of what they do because they are seen as villains that need to be defeated.

Thank you! That is what I am saying, people are disliking them personally but they don't even know them or have been following their music at all...no receipts for their dislike. I judge all artists by what they give back to the arts and entertainment industry because that is all that actually matters.

uPtoWnNY said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the implications as read in following posts is 'non blacks'.

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I don't know who the biggest supporters are. It could easily be even, it could easily be mostly women.

.

I don't hate Beyonce, I've always defended her as an entertainer and person, when people(as usual) make very silly accusations. But I've even had a AA person on a FB group report a photo I posted of her and have it removed. If she does some kind of RnB music, Black americans feel ownership of the genre, and anyone producing watered down RnB will get it. It comes with the territory.
I'll look it up here, but when Whitney did, and RnB hardcore fan who is AA said they were glad because of what she did to RnB music.

I wouldn't call that mess she sings RnB, not the RnB that I listen to. Real RnB died a long time ago.

Well times change, nothing stays the same. That's life. Or do you wanne hear the same kind of song over and over again?

jjhunsecker said:

jjhunsecker said:

RJOrion said:

jjhunsecker said:

What annoys me is how often they mention how much money and other expensive material goods they possess. After awhile, it seems a little crass and shallow

the whole entertainment industry is crass and shallow...to the victors go the spoils...its hiphop culture to talk that slick shit IF YOU GOT IT...and Jay and Beyonce have more than earned the right to celebrate their successes out loud... not sure why that makes people mad

It's very crass to constantly talk about how much money you have , and what material items you own. At least the way I personally was raised . Which is probably one of the main reasons I was never a huge fan of Hip-hop. I prefer something a little deeper...I recall one artist, Cody ChestnuTT, who said about most Hip-hop, "How does it help my life hearing about how many gold chains YOU own" ?

jjhunsecker said: