A documentary that premiered Wednesday at the Cannes Film Festival alleges that Whitney Houston was molested as a child by singer Dee Dee Warwick, who was her cousin and the sister of hitmaker Dionne Warwick.

Kevin Macdonald’s “Whitney” dropped the bombshell revelation about three-quarters into the film, according to The Associated Press. Houston’s half-brother Gary Garland was first to tell Macdonald of the abuse, and said he was molested as well, the director told Indiewire. Pat Houston, who was Houston’s sister-in-law and manager, corroborated the claim.

Macdonald said Houston’s aunt and longtime assistant Mary Jones later provided additional details of the abuse, which she said Houston had confided to her. It was Jones’ interview that changed the direction of the film at the last minute.

“She told me Whitney’s point of view on this, and what Whitney had told her in detail, and how important she felt it was for understanding Whitney, but how scared everyone was to talk about it,” Macdonald told Deadline.

“So, yeah, the film changed radically in the last weeks of editing it, which I guess, as a detective, is the result you want.”

Jones says in the film that the abuse filled Houston with shame. The director said he believes the revelation will add understanding to Houston’s difficult life before her death in 2012 at age 48 from what was ruled an accidental drowning in a bathtub.

“I think it will impact her legacy in a positive way because I hope that it will make people feel like I’m not going to dismiss her as this drug-addicted, tabloid, ne’er do well, low-class person,” Macdonald explained. “By understanding, you humanize. I didn’t start this as a great Whitney Houston fan, but I ended up with a credible sense of empathy for her, and a love of the music born out of that empathy.”

Dee Dee Warwick, a two-time Grammy nominee and backup singer for Aretha Franklin and others, died in 2008 at age 63. Dionne Warwick’s representatives didn’t immediately respond to HuffPost’s request for comment.

https://www.huffingtonpos...3fb50e1332

Holly crap! But then again; family.

I think this female on female abuse happens a lot more than we think but people just don't talk about it. People like to make the men out to be the predators and I know, in most cases, they are. But, there are female predators out there, too, victimizing both girls and boys.

Pat.

Whitney was a VERY cute little girl.

Found this quote from a Vanity Fair interview with the Whitney Houston doc.

“If you think about the three biggest stars of the 1980s—Prince, Michael Jackson, and Whitney—they all died within a few years in very similar circumstances, between the drug abuse, the isolation, and the eccentric behavior. And you think: why is that? That is not a coincidence. I think you can trace all that back to their childhood experience. Their parents had all come from experiencing trauma in the south to the north—the Great Migration, it was called. Their parents were very political and very engaged in black rights. With Whitney, Michael, and Prince, you couldn’t think of three less political people. And there’s a sort of poppy frivolity—the way they were that allowed them to be accepted into the white mainstream world—to all three of them.”

https://www.vanityfair.co...tary-abuse

Not so sure about that. Were their parents involved in Civil Rights? Or is he saying moving out of the south was a political act in and of itself? I know Prince and Michael were political in their music maybe more so later in their careers. Also Michael and Prince's drug abuse was born out of coping with physical injuries suffered in performances. I would say all three came from musical families.

[Edited 5/18/18 0:14am]

lrn36 said:

This is terrible, poor Whitney!

The new doc is making it in reviewers Cannes Top Lists all over the place.

It's gonna be something else come July.

Whitney to Diane sawyer "The biggest devil is me" sad If only she loved herself more

her Cousin was the devil.

kitbradley said:

I think this female on female abuse happens a lot more than we think but people just don't talk about it. People like to make the men out to be the predators and I know, in most cases, they are. But, there are female predators out there, too, victimizing both girls and boys.

Kit don't be afraid to say it's more female predators out there than male predators as there is more females than males. But the media will not get views or be able to feed that to their audience for high views. If both my grandma's set back and told you stories of how females raped and pimped out their kids to rich and wealthy males and females it will turn your world upside down. I was molested by a female at 12yrs old and when I tried to talk to anyone I was told to shut up and that I wanted it. She tried to molest me again but stopped because I was shaking uncontrollably because I was very scared and she thought I was having a seizure and left me for dead. She molested other kids 7-13 with little girls being her first targets and was never arrested.

She always used to tell me "Who are you going to tell? Nobody will ever believe you because only men rape kids and women. Who you think taught little boys how to be future pimps while their fathers was off to war or out working? You're not the first or last child I will get my pleasure from and if you ever tell anyone I will tell them you're lying and who you think the adults will believe?"

And then she would molest me and countless other kids and she never was arrested. I know a few girls she molested from 5th grade, 2 of them killed themselves by overdosing. But she wasn't the only female raping around our community. It was a lot of them and a lot of them never got arrested and they always helped the male counterpart also by bringing other victims to them also. I can't finish this but just know us victims RARELY get helped or saved because numbers (Statistics) is better than really helping. If it wasn't for great mothers and sisters who love their brothers and sons good men would be gone completely.

Everyone that ever really tried to help was painted as pedophiles by the real abusers. I've given plenty of names to our local police and even went with other victims for Miami Police Department to do NOTHING back in 1998. The officer that was helping and arrested two of the rapest females was murdered. For years me and other victims felt like that officer death was our fault and his family lost a good soul trying to help us. So I know I stayed silent because I didn't want nobody else to die trying to help me.

I always ask ladies if all the males died today, would the world really be a better place or would evil still be here? Stop attacking your goodhearted Men and Women and letting the evildoers get away.

Drugs, drug addiction, and drug death have been apart of the music business as long as anyone can remember. You can't speak of the music or the world entertainment and not speak of its connection to drug culture. As I've always mention the human condition is a curious thing. Why some people are able to role with the punches of life, while some succumb to it, is a puzzling. Be that as it may, everybody has to learn who to manage their lives, through the good times and through the bad.

If I recall Houston older brother turn her out.... he introduced her to drugs. Now reports are Mr. Houston confided in others, she was sexually abused by a family member. Yet, we live in a society that hypes the "boogie-man", the unknown.



As Hammad said, "But then again; family."

lrn36 said:

Found this quote from a Vanity Fair interview with the Whitney Houston doc.

“If you think about the three biggest stars of the 1980s—Prince, Michael Jackson, and Whitney—they all died within a few years in very similar circumstances, between the drug abuse, the isolation, and the eccentric behavior. And you think: why is that? That is not a coincidence. I think you can trace all that back to their childhood experience. Their parents had all come from experiencing trauma in the south to the north—the Great Migration, it was called. Their parents were very political and very engaged in black rights. With Whitney, Michael, and Prince, you couldn’t think of three less political people. And there’s a sort of poppy frivolity—the way they were that allowed them to be accepted into the white mainstream world—to all three of them.”

https://www.vanityfair.co...tary-abuse

Not so sure about that. Were their parents involved in Civil Rights? Or is he saying moving out of the south was a political act in and of itself? I know Prince and Michael were political in their music maybe more so later in their careers. Also Michael and Prince's drug abuse was born out of coping with physical injuries suffered in performances. I would say all three came from musical families.

[Edited 5/18/18 0:14am]

I never heard anything about any of their parents being very political and very engaged in black rights. That is an assumption on the writers part. Just because of the migration doesn't mean people were about that. The migration was just about finding better circumstances and jobs.

.

And Prince nor Michael used drugs, until their physical issues came about.

RIP Whitney

A lot of things never made sense, never added up, when I would watch Whitney's life.

At first it just seemed like she came from a good family was pretty and probably picked on, and tried to appear to be a bad girl and naughty.

Even her character in Bodyguard, mirrored Whitney.

Now it makes sense.

This just made me really sad

I'm reading that Dee Dee was an open lesbian.

I wonder did Sissy have a problem with her like she did with Whitney's friend.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm reading that Dee Dee was an open lesbian.

I wonder did Sissy have a problem with her like she did with Whitney's friend.

Cissy made it clear that she wouldn't be happy if Whitney carried on a lesbian relationship in the documentary "Can I Be Me".

Hamad said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm reading that Dee Dee was an open lesbian.

I wonder did Sissy have a problem with her like she did with Whitney's friend.

Cissy made it clear that she wouldn't be happy if Whitney carried on a lesbian relationship in the documentary "Can I Be Me".

Yeah I saw that, but this is family... I wonder how she interacted with her, especially since it seems she was 'out' in the industry

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hamad said:

Cissy made it clear that she wouldn't be happy if Whitney carried on a lesbian relationship in the documentary "Can I Be Me".

Yeah I saw that, but this is family... I wonder how she interacted with her, especially since it seems she was 'out' in the industry

Probably its a "pink elephant in the room" situation. One of the interviewees said something to the effect, that gay men in church can be expected, but you don't talk about lesbians or how they carried on. Perhaps its the same in their family dynamic, they don't acknowledge it etc..

Hamad said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah I saw that, but this is family... I wonder how she interacted with her, especially since it seems she was 'out' in the industry

Probably its a "pink elephant in the room" situation. One of the interviewees said something to the effect, that gay men in church can be expected, but you don't talk about lesbians or how they carried on. Perhaps its the same in their family dynamic, they don't acknowledge it etc..

Cissy's judgement always baffles me. Since she had her own secrets that rocked that family. Also Cissy has sung backup for and been around many artist and entertainers that were sexually fluid. Maybe she didn't know her daughter was touched until now.

sorry to hear your story. my mom was physically abusive, I had a lot of issues with her in my twenties, after my sister died of aids/alcoholism after a tormented life of prostitution, streetlife and alcohol. It took a long time to work through it all, personally, i'm not angry so much anymore at my parents. I just saw my stepdad a week ago. But I do understand it. Like you, the most frustrating thing about trying to explain what happened was telling people about my mother and they'd defend her just because she was a woman, while my poor black stepdad was the one they pointed at. I'm just blessed to work through a lot of it, I really am and I miss my mom and sis everyday. As far as humanity? i have no faith, i think the race is doomed, it isn't just the people who abuse, it's oppression that creates these people, jobs that take away parents, stress that leaves them too exhausted to parent, rules and laws and authority figures that really aren't any different than modern day "massa's" really. I see the big picture now and the big picture is, my mom and stepdad never wanted to hurt anyone, but we do what was done to us by the world. Humanity is fucked.

liljojo said:

kitbradley said:

I think this female on female abuse happens a lot more than we think but people just don't talk about it. People like to make the men out to be the predators and I know, in most cases, they are. But, there are female predators out there, too, victimizing both girls and boys.

Kit don't be afraid to say it's more female predators out there than male predators as there is more females than males. But the media will not get views or be able to feed that to their audience for high views. If both my grandma's set back and told you stories of how females raped and pimped out their kids to rich and wealthy males and females it will turn your world upside down. I was molested by a female at 12yrs old and when I tried to talk to anyone I was told to shut up and that I wanted it. She tried to molest me again but stopped because I was shaking uncontrollably because I was very scared and she thought I was having a seizure and left me for dead. She molested other kids 7-13 with little girls being her first targets and was never arrested.

She always used to tell me "Who are you going to tell? Nobody will ever believe you because only men rape kids and women. Who you think taught little boys how to be future pimps while their fathers was off to war or out working? You're not the first or last child I will get my pleasure from and if you ever tell anyone I will tell them you're lying and who you think the adults will believe?"

And then she would molest me and countless other kids and she never was arrested. I know a few girls she molested from 5th grade, 2 of them killed themselves by overdosing. But she wasn't the only female raping around our community. It was a lot of them and a lot of them never got arrested and they always helped the male counterpart also by bringing other victims to them also. I can't finish this but just know us victims RARELY get helped or saved because numbers (Statistics) is better than really helping. If it wasn't for great mothers and sisters who love their brothers and sons good men would be gone completely.

Everyone that ever really tried to help was painted as pedophiles by the real abusers. I've given plenty of names to our local police and even went with other victims for Miami Police Department to do NOTHING back in 1998. The officer that was helping and arrested two of the rapest females was murdered. For years me and other victims felt like that officer death was our fault and his family lost a good soul trying to help us. So I know I stayed silent because I didn't want nobody else to die trying to help me.

I always ask ladies if all the males died today, would the world really be a better place or would evil still be here? Stop attacking your goodhearted Men and Women and letting the evildoers get away.

TD3 said:

Drugs, drug addiction, and drug death have been apart of the music business as long as anyone can remember. You can't speak of the music or the world entertainment and not speak of its connection to drug culture. As I've always mention the human condition is a curious thing. Why some people are able to role with the punches of life, while some succumb to it, is a puzzling. Be that as it may, everybody has to learn who to manage their lives, through the good times and through the bad.

If I recall Houston older brother turn her out.... he introduced her to drugs. Now reports are Mr. Houston confided in others, she was sexually abused by a family member. Yet, we live in a society that hypes the "boogie-man", the unknown.



As Hammad said, "But then again; family."

Everyone has trauma and bad things that go on. I think the drugs and stuff are more about the superstar lifestyle, not having any boundaries, being coddled, catered to, yessed to death have a lot more to do with it. Also, i think there is some truth to the artistic temperament being unstable. I've thought that since 7th grade when a music teacher would tell us about the great composers who were all tormented and miserable without the drugs. A component of being a creative is either being mentally ill or close enough to it to have a lot of the same symptoms.

ya, at least in terms of their public image and words, they were clean in their primes. Michael was particularly aware of the dangers and i remember how well he articulated the draw to them. I think his issues were more from the molestation problems, i mean that had to be incredibly stressful, whether he did it or not, that kind of attention would crack most of us. It's why i worried about him years before he died.

OldFriends4Sale said:

lrn36 said:

Found this quote from a Vanity Fair interview with the Whitney Houston doc.

“If you think about the three biggest stars of the 1980s—Prince, Michael Jackson, and Whitney—they all died within a few years in very similar circumstances, between the drug abuse, the isolation, and the eccentric behavior. And you think: why is that? That is not a coincidence. I think you can trace all that back to their childhood experience. Their parents had all come from experiencing trauma in the south to the north—the Great Migration, it was called. Their parents were very political and very engaged in black rights. With Whitney, Michael, and Prince, you couldn’t think of three less political people. And there’s a sort of poppy frivolity—the way they were that allowed them to be accepted into the white mainstream world—to all three of them.”

https://www.vanityfair.co...tary-abuse

Not so sure about that. Were their parents involved in Civil Rights? Or is he saying moving out of the south was a political act in and of itself? I know Prince and Michael were political in their music maybe more so later in their careers. Also Michael and Prince's drug abuse was born out of coping with physical injuries suffered in performances. I would say all three came from musical families.

[Edited 5/18/18 0:14am]

I never heard anything about any of their parents being very political and very engaged in black rights. That is an assumption on the writers part. Just because of the migration doesn't mean people were about that. The migration was just about finding better circumstances and jobs.

.

And Prince nor Michael used drugs, until their physical issues came about.

Hamad said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah I saw that, but this is family... I wonder how she interacted with her, especially since it seems she was 'out' in the industry

Probably its a "pink elephant in the room" situation. One of the interviewees said something to the effect, that gay men in church can be expected, but you don't talk about lesbians or how they carried on. Perhaps its the same in their family dynamic, they don't acknowledge it etc..

at least in word, church people almost have to be homophobic, it's the teaching, even though there seem to be an above average amount of gay/bi people in church leaderships. Sexual abuse go hand and hand with repression and the catholic church is proof of that, no one can even look at a priest or a nun without thinking "potential molestor" anymore. But all the church's have issues with it, look at eddie long and many others. When i was young, i lived with a preacher and although he and his wife didn't do anything to me, the way they looked at me sometimes and some of the wierd things they did leave me convinced that it could have happened under the right circumstances, I was 18 though, apparently grown, immature and it was and is kinda confusing to this day but i wasn't really bothered, just thought it was strange at the time. I have to say, the wife got into my head, i still think of her all the time, she was sexy.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Hamad said:

Probably its a "pink elephant in the room" situation. One of the interviewees said something to the effect, that gay men in church can be expected, but you don't talk about lesbians or how they carried on. Perhaps its the same in their family dynamic, they don't acknowledge it etc..

Cissy's judgement always baffles me. Since she had her own secrets that rocked that family. Also Cissy has sung backup for and been around many artist and entertainers that were sexually fluid. Maybe she didn't know her daughter was touched until now.

what kinda secrets did cissy have? I don't mind her interviews, personally, i think "homophobes" should be allowed to speak their minds just like racists should, it should be out in the open if that's your honest feeling. LGBT try to muzzle everyone and try to normalize everything, which would be cool if whatever percent of the population wasn't sexually oriented the other way, that is to say, I fucking hate (or hated I should say, i'm old now) men talking to me like i'm some kind of object and if I were a different kind of person I'd whup their asses for it, but that just ain't me. Either way, it's presumptuous and disrespectful especially when they have to know there is upwards of a 90 percent shot that you don't want their attentions.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Cissy's judgement always baffles me. Since she had her own secrets that rocked that family. Also Cissy has sung backup for and been around many artist and entertainers that were sexually fluid. Maybe she didn't know her daughter was touched until now.

what kinda secrets did cissy have? I don't mind her interviews, personally, i think "homophobes" should be allowed to speak their minds just like racists should, it should be out in the open if that's your honest feeling. LGBT try to muzzle everyone and try to normalize everything, which would be cool if whatever percent of the population wasn't sexually oriented the other way, that is to say, I fucking hate (or hated I should say, i'm old now) men talking to me like i'm some kind of object and if I were a different kind of person I'd whup their asses for it, but that just ain't me. Either way, it's presumptuous and disrespectful especially when they have to know there is upwards of a 90 percent shot that you don't want their attentions.

I'll just say the entertainment industry is full of things that aren't what they seem to be.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

what kinda secrets did cissy have? I don't mind her interviews, personally, i think "homophobes" should be allowed to speak their minds just like racists should, it should be out in the open if that's your honest feeling. LGBT try to muzzle everyone and try to normalize everything, which would be cool if whatever percent of the population wasn't sexually oriented the other way, that is to say, I fucking hate (or hated I should say, i'm old now) men talking to me like i'm some kind of object and if I were a different kind of person I'd whup their asses for it, but that just ain't me. Either way, it's presumptuous and disrespectful especially when they have to know there is upwards of a 90 percent shot that you don't want their attentions.

I'll just say the entertainment industry is full of things that aren't what they seem to be.

i already know that, but what about cissy? are you saying she slept her way to a singing career? what? just curious. I never got the feeling cissy was any kind of doormat that's for sure.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'll just say the entertainment industry is full of things that aren't what they seem to be.

i already know that, but what about cissy? are you saying she slept her way to a singing career? what? just curious. I never got the feeling cissy was any kind of doormat that's for sure.

No she's definitely not a doormat. But she had to go through some things to get that way. She taught her daughter not to be also. But I'm not going to put her personal business on here. But that family was full of secrets. What's in the dark comes to the light. I've learned that well in the past two years.