TrivialPursuit said:

Old school black folks hate hearin' about the homosexuality. I believe Pryor's widow. It's shocking to the public, but the shitstorm that happened BSM (before social media) was far and above the affairs we hear about these days. There was probably even more in general than we'll ever know about. The fact that Pryor was outed for what was probably a one-off thing is just funny to me. I'm not jaded; I'm just not surprised by anything like that - anywhere. We all done some crazy or weird shit sexually in our lives, whether we adamantly deny it or openly admit it.

I just wanna know who fucked who or was it just oral. Brando was probably versatile, but Pryor was a top most likely, Marvin was a bottom, and James Baldwin could have been versatile.

i don't know if it's true or not but i know that jennifer is disliked by pretty much everyone because she's not a nice person, i could see her lying to sell a book in the future.

TrivialPursuit said:

Old school black folks hate hearin' about the homosexuality. I believe Pryor's widow. It's shocking to the public, but the shitstorm that happened BSM (before social media) was far and above the affairs we hear about these days. There was probably even more in general than we'll ever know about. The fact that Pryor was outed for what was probably a one-off thing is just funny to me. I'm not jaded; I'm just not surprised by anything like that - anywhere. We all done some crazy or weird shit sexually in our lives, whether we adamantly deny it or openly admit it.

I just wanna know who fucked who or was it just oral. Brando was probably versatile, but Pryor was a top most likely, Marvin was a bottom, and James Baldwin could have been versatile.

This is what I'm saying though, like it's not that hard to figure out because he said shit out his own mouth. Richard was famous for not giving 1,2,or 3 fucks about what other people thought and this tea been spilt and cooled off since the late 80s.

Its so funny to me that black folks are readily believing Quincy old ass is fucking multiple women one of which is about 25 and they all know about each other, but it's a shock when a man who has openily talked about his gay experiences might've *gasp* had sex with a man. Chile I will not and cannot entertain that mess.

PeteSilas said:

i don't know if it's true or not but i know that jennifer is disliked by pretty much everyone because she's not a nice person, i could see her lying to sell a book in the future.

I don't know anything about his widow, but I do fear her writing some shittastic book about Richard, based solely on this one revelation. That would be profiting hardcore. The cocaine element is a valid argument for these things happening.

TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know if it's true or not but i know that jennifer is disliked by pretty much everyone because she's not a nice person, i could see her lying to sell a book in the future.

I don't know anything about his widow, but I do fear her writing some shittastic book about Richard, based solely on this one revelation. That would be profiting hardcore. The cocaine element is a valid argument for these things happening.

i've just never heard a good word about her, she seems very pushy, very opportunistic and aggressive. She's smart in interviews but i don't know about her character, richard had 5 or 6 wives and she's the only one who you hear about because she pushes herself out there.

PeteSilas said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I don't know anything about his widow, but I do fear her writing some shittastic book about Richard, based solely on this one revelation. That would be profiting hardcore. The cocaine element is a valid argument for these things happening.

i've just never heard a good word about her, she seems very pushy, very opportunistic and aggressive. She's smart in interviews but i don't know about her character, richard had 5 or 6 wives and she's the only one who you hear about because she pushes herself out there.

the reason she does that is because she is the main (sometimes only) one who would help take care of him when Richard was in full self destruct mode, and again when his health started failing, until he died...

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said:

i've just never heard a good word about her, she seems very pushy, very opportunistic and aggressive. She's smart in interviews but i don't know about her character, richard had 5 or 6 wives and she's the only one who you hear about because she pushes herself out there.

the reason she does that is because she is the main (sometimes only) one who would help take care of him when Richard was in full self destruct mode, and again when his health started failing, until he died...

i don't know everything, but from what i read, she was pretty pushy about how she would come into his life, sounds like a pretty dysfunctional relationship all the way and richard, by the end was pretty helpless. I don't get a lot positive from anyone about her, usually not always, but usually, that means that the person isn't any good, when no one likes them. i guess i should just say one of the more unflattering things i've heard was that she was photocopying pictures of her tits and sending them to richard when she was trying to worm her way back into his life, just an example of the kinds of stories i've heard of her. great men rarely know how to pick women.

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one thing i think we can agree on, quincy was always thought of as a people person, a diplomat, (miles had a cool way of putting it in the Listen Up movie) and he overnight is just losing all of that. I guess it's too easy to blame his age but i don't know if that's what it is or what, it's wierd.

one thing i think we can agree on, quincy was always thought of as a people person, a diplomat, (miles had a cool way of putting it in the Listen Up movie) and he overnight is just losing all of that. I guess it's too easy to blame his age but i don't know if that's what it is or what, it's wierd.

TD3 said:

Graycap23 said:

His comments on the Beatles is dead on.

Some people can't take the truth or have their assumptions deconstructed. In terms of Quincy take... he thought the Beatles sucked as musicians. Paul and John's song writing is up there with the Gershwin brothers. (IMHO) Its his personal opinion and Q has the right to have them, just as everyone else has a right to have there's, some folks need to take a deep breath.

Mr. Jones GQ Interview, Jan. 2018. https://www.gq.com/story/...as-a-story

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I do hope MR JONES mentions that the dudes in TOTO are about the best musicians because without them THRILLER would have been an acapella album. Their studio playing made that record.

But again even Quincy who calls himself a producer should KNOW that the mark of a good one is getting what you can out of your team. George Martin fucking did that, I dont know anyone that has ever said the Beatles were awesome musicians, but collectively as a whole they are great at crafting songs and a lot of the time they were doing it alone. I mean the guys from QUEEN great as a unit and also great musicians but seperate fucking horrible, all their solo records sucked ass, Brian May, Freddie and Roger T all made the worst solo albums but put them togehter as a collective and they are one of the best ever. So Quincy please shut up, and take your meds.

CAL3 said:

Okay SOMEONE explain the bullshit about Ringo and the session for “Sentimental Journey” because as far as everything I’ve EVER READ about the making of that album, Ringo never played a NOTE on it. NEVER was he the drummer on that entire album, it was ALL sessions guys from day one. The entire concept was: Ringo sings Great American Songbook standards. . So WHAT THE FUCK is Q rambling about with this story??? . Could EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT of the making of this album have somehow omitted the story that Ringo DID try drumming on that ONE track??? . “Sentimental Journey” is NOT a rock album and of course Ringo’s particular brand of ROCK drumming would’ve never fit even if he HAD tried drumming on the one song. Not a big newsflash that Ringo trying to do jazz/Big Band/EZ listening drumming wouldn’t FUCKING FLY. . I’m a fan of Q the producer but this kind of SHIT calls all his “revelations” into question.

Dont really understand Quincy Jones, I respect his works and his productions but he really is out of his mind. It always seems to come down to the argument of "The Beatles" werent that good. OK let us get this straight, as unit it was the perfect combination at the perfect time that is all. AS Paul even said we were not great but we were a good little band that could play a song here and there for you. As they matured they did show amazing growth, when I think of how they at one point were these POP stars and next thing they were creating things like Revolver and Rubber Soul and just the songwriting on their own, sorry Q that growth is amazing to me because they were still mid to later 20's, what growth is going on with todays stars in their 20's?? Very little.

But Quincy likes rap.

PeteSilas said:

one thing i think we can agree on, quincy was always thought of as a people person, a diplomat, (miles had a cool way of putting it in the Listen Up movie) and he overnight is just losing all of that. I guess it's too easy to blame his age but i don't know if that's what it is or what, it's wierd.

nah, Q has always been a tactless diva... Patti Austin is a childhood friend of my late mother, and she always had negative things to say about Q.... always...

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said:

one thing i think we can agree on, quincy was always thought of as a people person, a diplomat, (miles had a cool way of putting it in the Listen Up movie) and he overnight is just losing all of that. I guess it's too easy to blame his age but i don't know if that's what it is or what, it's wierd.

nah, Q has always been a tactless diva... Patti Austin is a childhood friend of my late mother, and she always had negative things to say about Q.... always...

maybe in private he's always been like that but publicly, he used to be mum on anything negative, just look at all the old interviews, he says nothing but glowing things about everyone. btw, what did patti austin have to say? of course, i know he's all ego but he used to be a diplomat.

they were a great rock and roll band, influencing pretty much everyone who came after them in the pop world at least. songwriting was their strongpoint as was use of the studio. but.., they were ok musicians too, ringo has always been said to have been a weak link, i watched an interview where he confidently says he's the greatestest rock and roll drummer in the world, but it was clear he was speaking about a very limited type of drumming. they say Paul had to do some of his drum parts, Paul was a fine musician and one of the great bassists in rock history so q is a fool to say what he said about Paul who played every instrument. Just cause it's not jazz where they play a million notes a minute and 5 note harmonies, don't mean they can't play.

lastdecember said:

CAL3 said:

Okay SOMEONE explain the bullshit about Ringo and the session for “Sentimental Journey” because as far as everything I’ve EVER READ about the making of that album, Ringo never played a NOTE on it. NEVER was he the drummer on that entire album, it was ALL sessions guys from day one. The entire concept was: Ringo sings Great American Songbook standards. . So WHAT THE FUCK is Q rambling about with this story??? . Could EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT of the making of this album have somehow omitted the story that Ringo DID try drumming on that ONE track??? . “Sentimental Journey” is NOT a rock album and of course Ringo’s particular brand of ROCK drumming would’ve never fit even if he HAD tried drumming on the one song. Not a big newsflash that Ringo trying to do jazz/Big Band/EZ listening drumming wouldn’t FUCKING FLY. . I’m a fan of Q the producer but this kind of SHIT calls all his “revelations” into question.

Dont really understand Quincy Jones, I respect his works and his productions but he really is out of his mind. It always seems to come down to the argument of "The Beatles" werent that good. OK let us get this straight, as unit it was the perfect combination at the perfect time that is all. AS Paul even said we were not great but we were a good little band that could play a song here and there for you. As they matured they did show amazing growth, when I think of how they at one point were these POP stars and next thing they were creating things like Revolver and Rubber Soul and just the songwriting on their own, sorry Q that growth is amazing to me because they were still mid to later 20's, what growth is going on with todays stars in their 20's?? Very little.

Could possibly be some sort of senility setting in...

purplethunder3121 said:

Could possibly be some sort of senility setting in...

i'm wondering if he's trying to drum up publicity for something.

In his own bio he says malcolm was "no dealer" either he was lying then or now.

Could be 1 last hoorah before he dies.

PennyPurple said:

Could be 1 last hoorah before he dies.

i thought the same thing, maybe he just feels death on his ass and just wants to give up the ghosts.

PennyPurple said:

Q’s an A-hole: Ain’t Nothing Admirable About Quincy Jones’ Spite and Petty http://kinfolkkollective....ialnetwork

• Mama pulled my hand and asked, “you feel like talking?

• I knew what coming. Two days prior they found the shadows in her brain that registered that things had gone deeply wrong. This was not a casual chat…She was unburdening herself of the weight of decades of secrets. This was Mama traveling light.

• There’s a beautiful thing that happens to the elderly when they know they have lived. They start unpacking their lives and redistributing their wealth, both in material goods and pearls of wisdom. The wealth of wisdom they have to share is beautifully married to an absence of fucks-to-give. As they age, our elders eschew the constrictions of decorum and politeness.
• They break wind as they need. They say whatever the fuck they like. Lord knows they’ve earned it: the right to spit up in their declining days, the bitter indignities they held in silence and let sour in their gut – pain that our ilk has neither the intestinal fortitude nor constitutional integrity to stomach. – So here baby, take this afghan and these earrings I always see you looking at, cause you gon’ get this work.
• But that ain’t what Quincy Jones is doing.
• Jones’s recent spate of interviews does not read like a man lightening the load on his soul in the last leg of his journey but like one who is revealing and reveling in how heavy and dark it is. His abrading stories don’t ring with the generosity of spirit that acts as a salve when elders truths burn tender young egos.
• And while many have read his feckless words with carefree glee and delight, I could find no cause for celebration. Mr. Jones is revealing himself to be an ugly, petty, and arrogant man whose musical genius is now overshadowed by his moral turpitude.
• It’s not particularly endearing to hear a man tell you he actively shuns women over 42 (that’s still half his age) in favor of women young enough to be his great-granddaughter. It’s not especially uplifting to read about his disgust for beloved musicians you’ve seen him stand and smile with for decades. It doesn’t reveal any grand charisma to stomp on the accomplishments of relative upstarts who have managed to grow despite the shade cast by your looming shadow. It doesn’t take any act of great courage or charisma to spill the secrets of the defenseless dead. In fact, it’s a special kind of cowardice to boast how you stood by and watched people behave as bullies and monsters and continued to participate in their revelry.
• Years ago when news of Bill Cosby’s now well-known history of sexual predation was still being ignored, I told my then-wife. “Don’t get it twisted, that nigga used to hang with Quincy Jones. He aint Doctor Huxtable. They both Dr. Jekyll.” That wasn’t rooted exclusively in fact but sound conjecture from good sources and an overall sense of “aint right” that the always-too-slick Jones seems to carry.
• Jones, like Cosby, benefits from the goodwill and forgiving lights of the 80s. He’s the man who stood next to Micheal Jackson while his legendary catalogue of hits was created. He made “We Are The World” happen. He’s Oprah’s fave.
• But this is also a man who has consistently worked in the music industry since his teens. He spent a lot of nights in a lot of alleys with Miles Davis and heroin. Q stood by as Ray ascended in the music world and declined morally. He was ‘around’ when Cosby was doping and raping women. Quincy Jones seems to have lived a life in the periphery of filth and hedonism.
• By his own account Quincy has seen a lot of shit, but outside of his self-celebratory and unquestionably misogynistic claims of unfettered womanizing, Quincy Jones emerges clean of any wrongdoing or any proclivities that would shift the public view of him.
• But where was he when all this scheming an lying was going on? When all the sucking and fucking was going down, where was Quincy Jones? Sitting in the corner taking notes? Standing by the door holding coats? The only way to have seen as much shit as Quincy Jones has seen is to be knee-deep in that shit.
• Jones is spilling other people’s guts, in preparation for a massive celebration of his life and accomplishments – again. Back in 1979 when he suffered a life-threatening aneurysm, his friends and family – many of whom he’s outlived and is now dishing on – arranged a high-profile memorial service which Jones attended with his neurologist in tow, in the event the emotion would overtake him. And now at the age of 85, he’s doing an encore, this time, propping himself up on the corpses of those legends and emptying his bowels on them with a cavalier air that suggests no love or loyalty to people he once rubbed elbows – and lord knows what else, with.
• I don’t know for a fact the Quincy Jones did a lot of dirt, but I’ve been privy to rumors and insinuations about him from people who have cause to know. An old man I worked with in my brief stint in music gave me his Gold and Platinum records for Thriller with a handwritten note by MJ. After years serving in an industry that sullies your soul, he was moving on. Packing light. Gold and Platinum platters notwithstanding, all I took with me when I left there were the golden nuggets and pearls of wisdom I got from him and a few other elders who survived that business: Lay down with dogs, you get fleas. People survive here on mutually assured self-destruction. Expense everything you do, it’s all business. All of it, nobody’s hands are clean.

 The bigger the house, the more rooms, the more skeletons in those closets.
• When Mama called me to her bedside to lighten her load, she unburdened her soul of her secrets, shames, and torment she’s held inside. She knew about the book I was writing, she just didn’t know if she’d get to see it (she did by the way- she’s still here). When I asked how telling my story would affect her, Mama said, “you got to tell your story, I got to tell mine. We can’t live downtrodden to pr
• op anybody else up, any more than we can step on other people to make ourselves tall.”
• I guess that’s why I find it hard to find celebration in Quincy Jones’s dishing of the secrets of others and his seeming disdain for almost everyone he’s worked with. I know in my soul that after 66 years in this business he’s slinging mudballs with dirty hands.

Goddess4Real said:

lastdecember said:

TD3 said:

Some people can't take the truth or have their assumptions deconstructed. In terms of Quincy take... he thought the Beatles sucked as musicians. Paul and John's song writing is up there with the Gershwin brothers. (IMHO) Its his personal opinion and Q has the right to have them, just as everyone else has a right to have there's, some folks need to take a deep breath.

Mr. Jones GQ Interview, Jan. 2018. https://www.gq.com/story/...as-a-story

=============== added a link

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I do hope MR JONES mentions that the dudes in TOTO are about the best musicians because without them THRILLER would have been an acapella album. Their studio playing made that record.

Q better or Lukather will bust a gut. Like I said, a lot of butt hurt around Q's opinions or truths. Take your pick. This shit reminds me of Truman Capote, "Answered Prayers" ... it appears Q's talking about all shit that went on behind closed doors. He was there... I wasn't.

TD3 said:

lastdecember said:

I do hope MR JONES mentions that the dudes in TOTO are about the best musicians because without them THRILLER would have been an acapella album. Their studio playing made that record.

Q better or Lukather will bust a gut. Like I said, a lot of butt hurt around Q's opinions or truths. Take your pick. This shit reminds me of Truman Capote, "Answered Prayers" ... it appears Q's talking about all shit that went on behind closed doors. He was there... I wasn't.

He's talking about everybody else in what happened behind closed doors. You are right, he was there but he didn't say what all he participated in, while being there.

not bad, not bad at all.

Goddess4Real said:

Q’s an A-hole: Ain’t Nothing Admirable About Quincy Jones’ Spite and Petty http://kinfolkkollective....ialnetwork

• Mama pulled my hand and asked, “you feel like talking?

• I knew what coming. Two days prior they found the shadows in her brain that registered that things had gone deeply wrong. This was not a casual chat…She was unburdening herself of the weight of decades of secrets. This was Mama traveling light.

• There’s a beautiful thing that happens to the elderly when they know they have lived. They start unpacking their lives and redistributing their wealth, both in material goods and pearls of wisdom. The wealth of wisdom they have to share is beautifully married to an absence of fucks-to-give. As they age, our elders eschew the constrictions of decorum and politeness.
• They break wind as they need. They say whatever the fuck they like. Lord knows they’ve earned it: the right to spit up in their declining days, the bitter indignities they held in silence and let sour in their gut – pain that our ilk has neither the intestinal fortitude nor constitutional integrity to stomach. – So here baby, take this afghan and these earrings I always see you looking at, cause you gon’ get this work.
• But that ain’t what Quincy Jones is doing.
• Jones’s recent spate of interviews does not read like a man lightening the load on his soul in the last leg of his journey but like one who is revealing and reveling in how heavy and dark it is. His abrading stories don’t ring with the generosity of spirit that acts as a salve when elders truths burn tender young egos.
• And while many have read his feckless words with carefree glee and delight, I could find no cause for celebration. Mr. Jones is revealing himself to be an ugly, petty, and arrogant man whose musical genius is now overshadowed by his moral turpitude.
• It’s not particularly endearing to hear a man tell you he actively shuns women over 42 (that’s still half his age) in favor of women young enough to be his great-granddaughter. It’s not especially uplifting to read about his disgust for beloved musicians you’ve seen him stand and smile with for decades. It doesn’t reveal any grand charisma to stomp on the accomplishments of relative upstarts who have managed to grow despite the shade cast by your looming shadow. It doesn’t take any act of great courage or charisma to spill the secrets of the defenseless dead. In fact, it’s a special kind of cowardice to boast how you stood by and watched people behave as bullies and monsters and continued to participate in their revelry.
• Years ago when news of Bill Cosby’s now well-known history of sexual predation was still being ignored, I told my then-wife. “Don’t get it twisted, that nigga used to hang with Quincy Jones. He aint Doctor Huxtable. They both Dr. Jekyll.” That wasn’t rooted exclusively in fact but sound conjecture from good sources and an overall sense of “aint right” that the always-too-slick Jones seems to carry.
• Jones, like Cosby, benefits from the goodwill and forgiving lights of the 80s. He’s the man who stood next to Micheal Jackson while his legendary catalogue of hits was created. He made “We Are The World” happen. He’s Oprah’s fave.
• But this is also a man who has consistently worked in the music industry since his teens. He spent a lot of nights in a lot of alleys with Miles Davis and heroin. Q stood by as Ray ascended in the music world and declined morally. He was ‘around’ when Cosby was doping and raping women. Quincy Jones seems to have lived a life in the periphery of filth and hedonism.
• By his own account Quincy has seen a lot of shit, but outside of his self-celebratory and unquestionably misogynistic claims of unfettered womanizing, Quincy Jones emerges clean of any wrongdoing or any proclivities that would shift the public view of him.
• But where was he when all this scheming an lying was going on? When all the sucking and fucking was going down, where was Quincy Jones? Sitting in the corner taking notes? Standing by the door holding coats? The only way to have seen as much shit as Quincy Jones has seen is to be knee-deep in that shit.
• Jones is spilling other people’s guts, in preparation for a massive celebration of his life and accomplishments – again. Back in 1979 when he suffered a life-threatening aneurysm, his friends and family – many of whom he’s outlived and is now dishing on – arranged a high-profile memorial service which Jones attended with his neurologist in tow, in the event the emotion would overtake him. And now at the age of 85, he’s doing an encore, this time, propping himself up on the corpses of those legends and emptying his bowels on them with a cavalier air that suggests no love or loyalty to people he once rubbed elbows – and lord knows what else, with.
• I don’t know for a fact the Quincy Jones did a lot of dirt, but I’ve been privy to rumors and insinuations about him from people who have cause to know. An old man I worked with in my brief stint in music gave me his Gold and Platinum records for Thriller with a handwritten note by MJ. After years serving in an industry that sullies your soul, he was moving on. Packing light. Gold and Platinum platters notwithstanding, all I took with me when I left there were the golden nuggets and pearls of wisdom I got from him and a few other elders who survived that business: Lay down with dogs, you get fleas. People survive here on mutually assured self-destruction. Expense everything you do, it’s all business. All of it, nobody’s hands are clean.

 The bigger the house, the more rooms, the more skeletons in those closets.
• When Mama called me to her bedside to lighten her load, she unburdened her soul of her secrets, shames, and torment she’s held inside. She knew about the book I was writing, she just didn’t know if she’d get to see it (she did by the way- she’s still here). When I asked how telling my story would affect her, Mama said, “you got to tell your story, I got to tell mine. We can’t live downtrodden to pr
• op anybody else up, any more than we can step on other people to make ourselves tall.”
• I guess that’s why I find it hard to find celebration in Quincy Jones’s dishing of the secrets of others and his seeming disdain for almost everyone he’s worked with. I know in my soul that after 66 years in this business he’s slinging mudballs with dirty hands.

PeteSilas said:

RJOrion said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe in private he's always been like that but publicly, he used to be mum on anything negative, just look at all the old interviews, he says nothing but glowing things about everyone. btw, what did patti austin have to say? of course, i know he's all ego but he used to be a diplomat.

she would speak on how mean-spirited he was... her weight was somewhat of an issue, and he would make disrespectful and profane comments to her face and behind her back about her appearance...and plenty of talk about his love of both white women and white men...

gay love? It's not fair but he was right about her weight, the nature of the business, she was lucky to have a career at all. women have all kinds of issues in that business, I've yet to see an american female of the calibre of Kate Bush, that means without some asshole who "made" her standing in the wings. Some of the folk artists like Joni Mitchell come close but I don't quite think I'd put them in the superstar classs.

RJOrion said:

she (Patti Austin) would speak on how mean-spirited he was... her weight was somewhat of an issue, and he would make disrespectful and profane comments to her face and behind her back about her appearance...and plenty of talk about his love of both white women and white men...

That's a shame,smh.I know that Donna Summer also had problems with Quincy when he was producing her 1982 self-titled album.At one point during the sessions,he told her that Chaka Khan was a superior singer.