SoulAlive said:

woogiebear said:

Somebody "stoled" Justin's Suit & Tie!!! Up there lookin' like a long lost "Duck Dynasty" Relative, or an extra from "The Walking Dead"!!!

I was thinking "this is your biggest audience ever and you choose to go out there dressed like a bum?!",LOL

Lookin' like a cross between a Duck Dynasty Relative & a Co-Star on The Walking Dead!!!

EmmaMcG said:

I’m pretty certain you will have no problem with Dolly Parton or Patti LaBelle being labelled as legends, even though they made less of a dent in the international charts than Janet. It’s not about who sold the most, but who is influential when determining who can be classified as a legend.

But by judging on your outlandish comments, you’re just trolling and loving the attention you’re getting... and really don’t believe what you’re typing.

Goddess4Real said:

Will Reeve Jr.‏Verified account @WillReeveJr

I will say this about Justin Timberlake's Super Bowl halftime performance, it unquestionably made me realize just how great of losses we suffered in Prince and Michael Jackson once again. Not even in the same galaxy as those two.

My thoughts exactly! The outside of the stadium turning purple looked really cool, though.

mancabdriver said:

I'm assuming you seen the comment I made about my "outlandish" comments being lighthearted. Which is why they were so "outlandish" to begin with. Not exactly "trolling" because I genuinely believe that Janet Jackson is wildly overrated but seeing as I've already made my point I feel there's no need to add to what's already been said, especially because this thread is about this year's Superbowl, not one from 14 years ago.

EmmaMcG said:

namepeace said:

You took an extreme position in the first place, which I found odd coming from you.

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but not to let it go unchallenged.

That's all.

I don't mind anyone challenging my opinion. My last post on the matter was intended to be a lighthearted one, hence the exaggerated nature of it. Look, I know Janet Jackson is a big star in America but if you notice that her success outside of America is nowhere near the same level. From an international perspective, she's not on the same scale as other artists who are considered "legends". And when I say legends, I'm not talking about the likes of Beyonce and co. I mean artists like The Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson etc. Janet is not at that level. But seeing as this is a thread about Justin Timberlake and his less than stellar Half Time show, I'll stop talking about legendary Jacksons. And their sisters.

Nobody ever said Janet was on the level of those 3 though. The reason why? Because she's not. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are considered to be the "Holy Trinity of Pop" for a reason; they transcended everyone else.

Saying Janet isn't a legend because she isn't on that otherworldly level of fame is not a fair assessment. Based on that line of thinking, anybody not named Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, George Harrison or John Lennon isn't a legend either and that includes far more people than just Janet.

MotownSubdivision said:

I could have gone to "lower" level of legendary artists such as Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder etc but my point remains the same. Janet Jackson is obviously a very influential artist but to say she's a legend is pushing it as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not just directing that train of thought towards Janet. There are loads of artists I could mention who some would consider "legends" but if we're classing all these people as legends then where does it end?

To refer to someone as a legend in any particular field they have to be more than just good or even great. They have to be better than that. They have to be more than just influential, they have to be VITAL. At least, that's how I would classify the term "legend". That's how I come to the distinction that The Beatles are legendary despite me not liking them and the likes of Janet Jackson, Bon Jovi, Nirvana etc are not.

Now, you probably see it differently or have another, more forgiving criteria of what makes a legend, and that's fine, but it's just not how I see it.

Uh...



I like J-Lo, but girl, no.

Songs:

Gett Off

Darling Nikki

Sexy MF

When Doves Cry

Kiss (guitar hook) - Let's Go Crazy

It's painful.

TrivialPursuit said:

Now, I think that's worse than what Justin Timberlake did but I still don't think she shouldn't have done it.

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Uh...



I like J-Lo, but girl, no.

Songs:

Gett Off

Darling Nikki

Sexy MF

When Doves Cry

Kiss (guitar hook) - Let's Go Crazy

It's painful.

I just watched this for the first time and although I appreciate J'Lo's tribute...it's just a painful reminder of how Prince will never be replaced... By anyone.

SamSamba said:

Goddess4Real said:

Will Reeve Jr.‏Verified account @WillReeveJr

I will say this about Justin Timberlake's Super Bowl halftime performance, it unquestionably made me realize just how great of losses we suffered in Prince and Michael Jackson once again. Not even in the same galaxy as those two.

My thoughts exactly! The outside of the stadium turning purple looked really cool, though.

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The internets say it was CGI, the sky was not purple and there were not people running everywhere.

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https://blog.thecurrent.o...-trickery/

Janet Jackson Deserves an Apology—and Not Just From Justin Timberlake http://www.instyle.com/ne...er_instyle

As Justin Timberlake sang “Rock Your Body” on Sunday, headlining this year’s Super Bowl halftime show, it was impossible not to recall the last time he performed the early-aughts hit in a football stadium, sharing the Super Bowl stage with Janet Jackson 14 years ago. The show went down in history for the incident that became known as #nipplegate—when Timberlake tore Jackson’s shirt, exposing her right breast to 140 million viewers.

But the real controversy is what followed: The stunt gone wrong derailed Jackson’s career while rolling off Timberlake’s shoulders. So this weekend, the public did not take kindly to Timberlake’s cavalier flashback to that fateful number. Twitter users labeled the singer’s stunt as “disgusting” and “classless,” demanding that he issue a public apology to Jackson, while The Washington Post questioned whether it was “smart to poke fun, even briefly, at the situation,” and TIME criticized the performance for “brazenly using the spotlight to call to mind an incident that had ruined the livelihood of someone other than himself.”

While it’s vindicating to see Jackson’s downfall acknowledged not only as unfair but also in part as Timberlake’s fault, this reckoning sweeps something big under the rug: The role each of us played in her public boycott. Yes, Jackson deserves an apology—not just from Timberlake but from all of us.

Let’s not forget that the same media outlets that criticize Timberlake today minimized his involvement in 2004, while painting Jackson as a modern Jezebel who premeditated the situation for public attention. Timberlake was permitted to attend the Grammys following the post-#nipplegate outcry, while Jackson was uninvited from both hosting and attending the ceremony. The Federal Communications Commission’s chairman callously claimed Jackson “probably got what she was looking for." Meanwhile, the public nodded along, buying tabloids that slut-shamed her and listening to the networks that blacklisted her tracks while broadcasting Timberlake’s hits. In the months that followed Super Bowl 2004, Jackson released her eighth album, Damita Jo. The response was lukewarm at best, most of the attention focused on her indecent exposure rather than her music.

Jackson is not the only pop queen who caught flak for a scandal that left Timberlake unscathed. His highly publicized breakup with Britney Spears is considered to have helped dismantle her reputation. For the uninformed, Spears and Timberlake were America’s sweetheart couple until they split in 2002, after Spears was accused of cheating. Although recent media coverage seems to place partial blame on Timberlake for Spears's character assassination, this topical awakening hardly makes up for the years of toxic public scrutiny Spears endured in the 2000s.

EmmaMcG said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Uh...



I like J-Lo, but girl, no.

Songs:

Gett Off

Darling Nikki

Sexy MF

When Doves Cry

Kiss (guitar hook) - Let's Go Crazy

It's painful.

Now, I think that's worse than what Justin Timberlake did but I still don't think she shouldn't have done it.

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I thought JLo's tribute to Prince was nicely executed. I appreciate that she performed Prince's more controversial and sexier jams. I liked it.

Could J Lo be that last true showperson that would be able to pull off a gigantic Superbowl halftime show?

Check out the video produced by Essence entitled "Is Justin Timberlake Canceled Because of His Prince Tribute? | ESSENCE Now Slayed or Shade":

https://m.youtube.com/wat...GHjXNpHAlE

cloveringold85 said:

EmmaMcG said:

TrivialPursuit said: Now, I think that's worse than what Justin Timberlake did but I still don't think she shouldn't have done it.

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I thought JLo's tribute to Prince was nicely executed. I appreciate that she performed Prince's more controversial and sexier jams. I liked it.

Yeah it was nice and I appreciated that she did it. But it just made me miss Prince that much more; no one can do it like he did...

cloveringold85 said:

Yeah, I agree that it's nice to see some of his lesser known songs given the spotlight. I just don't think she performed them that well. But fair play to her for putting in the effort.

EmmaMcG said:

Lol first you say its her family name, then you say its her producers. Which one is it?

nextedition said:

Had you read my other comments on the matter you might have been able to conclude what I meant yourself but I'll break it down for you. Basically, the way I see it, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis are responsible for her having had many of her big hits but it's her family name that gives her a "legendary" reputation. If you or anyone else think Janet is a legend in her own right then that's fine too. But an artist needs to be more than a great popstar to reach legendary status as far as I'm concerned. That's how I'd consider The Beatles as legends despite me not liking them and an artist like George Michael, who is one of my all time favourites, as "merely" an exceptional pop star. Calling so many artists legends just devalues the term as far as I'm concerned and it should be used sparingly to separate the ones who've made such an impact on music that warrants the term "legend".

CynicKill said:

Could J Lo be that last true showperson that would be able to pull off a gigantic Superbowl halftime show?

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I wasn't offended by JLo's tribute at all. JT.......that's another story.

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I think JLo did a better job at showcasing the true essence of Prince.

Latin said:

Check out the video produced by Essence entitled "Is Justin Timberlake Canceled Because of His Prince Tribute? | ESSENCE Now Slayed or Shade": https://m.youtube.com/wat...GHjXNpHAlE

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I feel bad that JT is getting ripped to shreds, but I'm sure he knew what he was up against when he wanted to pay tribute to Prince, at the Super Bowl, in Prince's hometown of Minneapolis!

cloveringold85 said:

We may disagree on a lot of factors in this debate but you are 100% on point with that.

cloveringold85 said:

Latin said:

Check out the video produced by Essence entitled "Is Justin Timberlake Canceled Because of His Prince Tribute? | ESSENCE Now Slayed or Shade": https://m.youtube.com/wat...GHjXNpHAlE

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I feel bad that JT is getting ripped to shreds, but I'm sure he knew what he was up against when he wanted to pay tribute to Prince, at the Super Bowl, in Prince's hometown of Minneapolis!

What Justin is experiencing is NOTHING compared to way janet was ripped to shreds for 14 years and blacklisted. Justin will be fine....I'm sure he will have a successful album, tour and get alot of Grammy nominations.

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cloveringold85 said:

Thanks for sharing.

Goddess4Real said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I feel bad that JT is getting ripped to shreds, but I'm sure he knew what he was up against when he wanted to pay tribute to Prince, at the Super Bowl, in Prince's hometown of Minneapolis!

What Justin is experiencing is NOTHING compared to way janet was ripped to shreds for 14 years and blacklisted. Justin will be fine....I'm sure he will have a successful album, tour and get alot of Grammy nominations.

[Edited 2/9/18 18:22pm]

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What they did to Janet was so wrong. Justin does not care what any of us think -- the dude is worth like 300M.......do you think he cares?

Update: Sheila comments on the supposed Hologram.......

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http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...-hologram/

cloveringold85 said:

Goddess4Real said:

What Justin is experiencing is NOTHING compared to way janet was ripped to shreds for 14 years and blacklisted. Justin will be fine....I'm sure he will have a successful album, tour and get alot of Grammy nominations.

[Edited 2/9/18 18:22pm]

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What they did to Janet was so wrong. Justin does not care what any of us think -- the dude is worth like 300M.......do you think he cares?

I don't think he gives a shit about Janet. I also don't even think they have mended fences, juding by that statement she put out a day before the Superbowl.

EmmaMcG said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Nobody ever said Janet was on the level of those 3 though. The reason why? Because she's not. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are considered to be the "Holy Trinity of Pop" for a reason; they transcended everyone else.

Saying Janet isn't a legend because she isn't on that otherworldly level of fame is not a fair assessment. Based on that line of thinking, anybody not named Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, George Harrison or John Lennon isn't a legend either and that includes far more people than just Janet.

I could have gone to "lower" level of legendary artists such as Prince, Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Stevie Wonder etc but my point remains the same. Janet Jackson is obviously a very influential artist but to say she's a legend is pushing it as far as I'm concerned. And I'm not just directing that train of thought towards Janet. There are loads of artists I could mention who some would consider "legends" but if we're classing all these people as legends then where does it end? To refer to someone as a legend in any particular field they have to be more than just good or even great. They have to be better than that. They have to be more than just influential, they have to be VITAL. At least, that's how I would classify the term "legend". That's how I come to the distinction that The Beatles are legendary despite me not liking them and the likes of Janet Jackson, Bon Jovi, Nirvana etc are not. Now, you probably see it differently or have another, more forgiving criteria of what makes a legend, and that's fine, but it's just not how I see it.

I think something that you all could consider is that Janet's music career really didn't take off until around the time that music videos started to become more critical to an artist's success. Janet has never been known for having a powerhouse voice but she was more known for catchy beats, high energy dancing, etc. I think that set the tone for many, many female artists (and arguably male artists) to come after her. So, in a sense, she was highly influential in that she was really probably one of the most famous artists who has a negligible amount of vocal talent. Or maybe I should say "limited" vocal talent. It's undeniable that she was/is an amazing dancer in her own right. I've heard cheoreographer's say how Janet's dancing always used very difficult and complicated steps that are hard to duplicate. Pop music in general tends to be very unforgiving of women so it's to be expected that a woman over a certain age would be put "out to pasture" so to speak. I think the only one who escpaed this was Tina Turner.

Goddess4Real said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I feel bad that JT is getting ripped to shreds, but I'm sure he knew what he was up against when he wanted to pay tribute to Prince, at the Super Bowl, in Prince's hometown of Minneapolis!

What Justin is experiencing is NOTHING compared to way janet was ripped to shreds for 14 years and blacklisted. Justin will be fine....I'm sure he will have a successful album, tour and get alot of Grammy nominations.

[Edited 2/9/18 18:22pm]

I hope he won't. The Album sucks......but the Grammys are a joke anyway......

cloveringold85 said:

Update: Sheila comments on the supposed Hologram.......

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http://www.tmz.com/2018/0...-hologram/

Okay, that's fine with me. But it's still karma, because what happened to Janet wasn't her fault too and she had to take the heat while JT got away with grammys and other shit. So it's like he once sang: "What goes around come back around." I also think he'll just be fine tho. It's nothing near to what Janet had to go thru.