babynoz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, that was stupid. Adele shouldn't have said anything. She has to apologize for getting a Grammy? WTF has this world come to? What is the point of these award shows anymore? They're all stupid anyhow.

I was sooo mad at her for that.

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It was very awkward. I hate to say this, but it's almost like people have to bow down to Bey if they won a Grammy instead of her. It's just ridiculous. Like they say, too much of any one thing is not good for you -- good to have a nice mix of things, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

EmmaMcG said:

babynoz said: Both sound equally wrong to me. I know why "coloured person" is a racist term. I'm just confused as to why "person of colour" is not. It's the same thing only with the words in a different order. A friend of mine who is a black American guy, born and raised in New York, thinks that both terms are insulting and would rather be called neither. And this is a guy who is not easily offended. Like I said in an earlier post, I've never personally used either term and I never will. Unless I'm talking about some guy who is part blue, part red, part green and has pink polkadots on his cheeks. Because THAT would be a person of colour! In keeping with the point of the thread, I'll reiterate that of the artists who were actually nominated, I believe Bruno Mars deserved to win. And that's coming from someone who is not generally a Bruno Mars fan.

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Black people who I've spoken to about the term "colored person", said it's disrespectful because it goes back to the days of slavery and that is how they were referred. I can totally understand that. It does sound very 1800s.

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I agree; saying "a person of color" is saying the same thing.

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Black people that I associate with say they prefer to be called black.

Most younger people feel the same as you guys and I get where they are coming from but colored was actually the term whites used when they were trying to be civil such as you've seen on public signs. It's a term from the Jim Crow era moreso than slavery and continued up until the 60's when we became negroes.

The un-civil ones always said [N word - luv4u].


I'm old enough to have been through all of the labels. The n-word is the one I wish would go away even amongst black people.

cloveringold85 said:

babynoz said:

I was sooo mad at her for that.

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It was very awkward. I hate to say this, but it's almost like people have to bow down to Bey if they won a Grammy instead of her. It's just ridiculous. Like they say, too much of any one thing is not good for you -- good to have a nice mix of things, imo.

She was acting like she committed a crime or something.

cloveringold85 said:

babynoz said:

Exactly. I am thankful to him for honoring that legacy especially since he is one of the few actually doing so.

I have watched youtube videos of Bruno in the studio playing instruments and singing. He is no poser, lemme tell ya.

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Bruno is very talented. I've seen him in the studio, whipping-out melodies. I saw him performing when he was just a kid, and he was very talented then; you could tell he was going to be a successful performer. I think he is a likable person and a good entertainer and he appeals to a wide age group.

It's mostly people who know next to nothing about him that take the most shots. Other people simply say he isn't their cup of tea but they don't deny his talent.

babynoz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Black people who I've spoken to about the term "colored person", said it's disrespectful because it goes back to the days of slavery and that is how they were referred. I can totally understand that. It does sound very 1800s.

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I agree; saying "a person of color" is saying the same thing.

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Black people that I associate with say they prefer to be called black.

Most younger people feel the same as you guys and I get where they are coming from but colored was actually the term whites used when they were trying to be civil such as you've seen on public signs. It's a term from the Jim Crow era moreso than slavery and continued up until the 60's when we became negroes.

The un-civil ones always said [N word - luv4u].


I'm old enough to have been through all of the labels. The n-word is the one I wish would go away even amongst black people.

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I agree; I don't think the word [N word snip-luv4u] should be used, at all, under any circumstance.

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Black people tell me that only a black person can say that to another black person. I think it's more of a black male bonding thing -- a macho thing, but I don't agree with it. It just has too many negative undertones tied to it.

babynoz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It was very awkward. I hate to say this, but it's almost like people have to bow down to Bey if they won a Grammy instead of her. It's just ridiculous. Like they say, too much of any one thing is not good for you -- good to have a nice mix of things, imo.

She was acting like she committed a crime or something.

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IKR? It was like "Oh no, I better say something to Bey, because I am not worthy."

cloveringold85 said:

babynoz said:

She was acting like she committed a crime or something.

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IKR? It was like "Oh no, I better say something to Bey, because I am not worthy."

It was weird.

cloveringold85 said:

babynoz said:

Most younger people feel the same as you guys and I get where they are coming from but colored was actually the term whites used when they were trying to be civil such as you've seen on public signs. It's a term from the Jim Crow era moreso than slavery and continued up until the 60's when we became negroes.

The un-civil ones always said N Word.

I'm old enough to have been through all of the labels. The n-word is the one I wish would go away even amongst black people.

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I agree; I don't think the word [N word snip - luv4u] should be used, at all, under any circumstance.

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Black people tell me that only a black person can say that to another black person. I think it's more of a black male bonding thing -- a macho thing, but I don't agree with it. It just has too many negative undertones tied to it.

Everybody is putting their own spin on so many words now. There used to be somewhat of a consensus of what was acceptable but that went out the window.

babynoz said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; I don't think the word [N word snip - luv4u] should be used, at all, under any circumstance.

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Black people tell me that only a black person can say that to another black person. I think it's more of a black male bonding thing -- a macho thing, but I don't agree with it. It just has too many negative undertones tied to it.

Everybody is putting their own spin on so many words now. There used to be somewhat of a consensus of what was acceptable but that went out the window.

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It's confusing to me.

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Fact is there really was no reason for Bruno to sweep:

- His album wasn't a commercial juggernaut
- His album was the least acclaimed of the bunch (mediocre)

Bruno won because he's safe and palatable to a great portion of the voting body, not because he made a great body of music.

Ironically, for all this talk about "old school" music - the artists that Bruno "tributes" have never been nominated for AOTY, let along nominated. So much for that.

babynoz said:

I was not instantly sold on Bruno but I was inclined to give him a chance, so I watched and listened to him extensively, with an open mind. Consequently I learned a great deal about him. He writes, composes, plays multiple instruments, sings and dances his ass off. If he isn't your thing then fine. Bey isn't my thing but I would never be so stupid as to say she isn't talented and hard working because she is. Bruno works even harder than she does.

Bruno never claimed to re invent the wheel or make deep, navel gazing music. He brings the party and the fun and people are sooooo ready for that right now. So many are sick of all the angry, angsty, rachet shit that appeals to the lowest common denominator being shoved down their throats. People are getting tired of [N word snip - luv4u] this and b--ch that.

Bruno Mars is a breath of fresh air to a lot of people. Consider this. A whole family can go to his shows together from grandma to fifth graders and have a great time as I witnessed when I saw him live in October. In a world of nonstop filth that means a lot. There are not many artists left that have such broad appeal and the idiots in the industry are finally starting to see that.

Not only do we need the industry to recognize black artists work, the artists need to elevate their game instead of whining and helping to debase their own culture instead of upholding it. It isn't Bruno's fault that too many of our artists are producing garbage because they have no respect for their own legacy.

The hate needs to stop.

Preach tothe choir son.

I'm thinking of the time when everyone was belly aching over Usher moving away from his R&B roots after so many years of charting with EDM smashes.

So Usher answers the call and releases a couple very good R&B tracks that he hoped would launch a new album. They went nowhere where in another time they would've been smashes.

Has black artists singing black music and charting gone out of fashion?

Mstrustme said:

Lots of good artists were never nominated for AOTY - James Brown, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Aretha Franklin, Led Zeppelin, The Who, The Clash, Talking Heads, BB King, The Band, Elvis Presley, the list goes on ...

Mstrustme said:

Fact is there really was no reason for Bruno to sweep:

- His album wasn't a commercial juggernaut
- His album was the least acclaimed of the bunch (mediocre)

Bruno won because he's safe and palatable to a great portion of the voting body, not because he made a great body of music.

Ironically, for all this talk about "old school" music - the artists that Bruno "tributes" have never been nominated for AOTY, let along nominated. So much for that.

100% Correct.

Mstrustme said:

I totally agree.There is nothing ‘new’ or special about what Bruno is doing.He’s being overhyped the same way that Beyonce is.The cycle continues.

cloveringold85 said:

babynoz said:

I was sooo mad at her for that.

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It was very awkward. I hate to say this, but it's almost like people have to bow down to Bey if they won a Grammy instead of her. It's just ridiculous. Like they say, too much of any one thing is not good for you -- good to have a nice mix of things, imo.

Well, we all have to admit beyonce shitted for that album, all the videos and work put into it. Although Adele was the diamond seller. I liked beyonce's album better...only so much sad singing I can listen to.

Mstrustme said:

Fact is there really was no reason for Bruno to sweep:

- His album wasn't a commercial juggernaut
- His album was the least acclaimed of the bunch (mediocre)

Bruno won because he's safe and palatable to a great portion of the voting body, not because he made a great body of music.

Ironically, for all this talk about "old school" music - the artists that Bruno "tributes" have never been nominated for AOTY, let along nominated. So much for that.

Many times as we know with Prince, music is not appreciated as much as it is at the time until it has passed. We look back like...DAMN that shit was good...how did we get HERE?

and Bruno Mars is STILL over-hyped, over-exposed garbage...trying to watch/listen to him, is like chewing a piece of bubblegum that was already chewed by someone else ...

RJOrion said:

and Bruno Mars is STILL over-hyped, over-exposed garbage...trying to watch/listen to him, is like chewing a piece of bubblegum that was already chewed by someone else ...

AND?

paisleypark4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It was very awkward. I hate to say this, but it's almost like people have to bow down to Bey if they won a Grammy instead of her. It's just ridiculous. Like they say, too much of any one thing is not good for you -- good to have a nice mix of things, imo.

Well, we all have to admit beyonce shitted for that album, all the videos and work put into it. Although Adele was the diamond seller. I liked beyonce's album better...only so much sad singing I can listen to.

I personally think Beyonce is extremely overrated. Actually, I preferred her in Destiny's Child- at least those songs had hooks and melodies...

just my opinion. I know I'm in the minority here...

SoulAlive said:

There was nothing 'new' or special about the other nominees either.

I'd hardly put him in the same league of overratedness as Beyonce. When he can lose an award and the winner makes a pathetic attempt to apologize to him then we'll talk.

MotownSubdivision said:

SoulAlive said:

I totally agree.There is nothing ‘new’ or special about what Bruno is doing.He’s being overhyped the same way that Beyonce is.The cycle continues.

There was nothing 'new' or special about the other nominees either. I'd hardly put him in the same league of overratedness as Beyonce. When he can lose an award and the winner makes a pathetic attempt to apologize to him then we'll talk.

Exactly. Kendrick is overrated musically. People say his stuff is groundbreaking, it's not. A Tribe Called Quest, Madvillainy (MF Doom), Danny Brown, Kanye West, all made albums that literally sounded "new and fresh" like nobody has heard before. It's true he's an accomplished rapper and lyricist.

To me, 24K Magic is the equivalent of La La Land (2016) or The Artist (2011), movies that stuff all the Hollywood/Musical/Show Tune clichés in a brilliant way, pay homage to many eras and remind the contemporary audience of how wonderful popular cinema was at some point. Wheras DAMN. is more like Moonlight (2016), very daring and powerful in its message, but stems from the exact zeitgeist that oriented a thousand other undershadowed LGBT independant movies before that weren't recognized due to how challenging they were. It's all good. Both DAMN. and 24K Magic will remain important albums for their time, and also we should start giving props to Bruno for keeping R&B radio alive. Mark my words, from now on, female R&B singers for example will make classic R&B songs and still get played on Urban radio without having to rent-a-rapper or do the trap sound, because of the revival that Bruno was responsible for.

Shawy89 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

SoulAlive said: There was nothing 'new' or special about the other nominees either. I'd hardly put him in the same league of overratedness as Beyonce. When he can lose an award and the winner makes a pathetic attempt to apologize to him then we'll talk.

Exactly. Kendrick is overrated musically. People say his stuff is groundbreaking, it's not. A Tribe Called Quest, Madvillain (MF Doom), Danny Brown, Kanye West, all made albums that literally sounded "new and fresh" like nobody has heard before. It's true he's an accomplished rapper and lyricist.

Even if what you're saying is true -- and many are bound to disagree -- K-Dot doesn't have to be musically groundbreaking to be great. As you admit, he has considerable talents as a rapper and lyricist. His flair for putting together a concept for his albums and the quality of his product distinguish him from most of his peer group. It's why ATCQ featured him on Thank You.

jjhunsecker said:

paisleypark4 said:

Well, we all have to admit beyonce shitted for that album, all the videos and work put into it. Although Adele was the diamond seller. I liked beyonce's album better...only so much sad singing I can listen to.

I personally think Beyonce is extremely overrated. Actually, I preferred her in Destiny's Child- at least those songs had hooks and melodies...

just my opinion. I know I'm in the minority here...

Beyonce writes those weakass songs in 2 minutes.

namepeace said:

But Bruno does?

I'm not personally attacking you but that seems to be the prevailing consensus here.

CynicKill said:

Yes. Usher or Tank could have released the exact same kind of album Bruno did and they would have went no where and been quickly forgotten. R&B fans claim to want real R&B from black artists. But when they get it (outside of Kem), they dont support it.

MotownSubdivision said:

namepeace said:

Even if what you're saying is true -- and many are bound to disagree -- K-Dot doesn't have to be musically groundbreaking to be great. As you admit, he has considerable talents as a rapper and lyricist. His flair for putting together a concept for his albums and the quality of his product distinguish him from most of his peer group. It's why ATCQ featured him on Thank You.

But Bruno does? I'm not personally attacking you but that seems to be the prevailing consensus here.

I'm with you. I don't understand the intensity of the blowback against him.

People say they want "real music" performed by talented musicians.

Whatever his shortcomings, Bruno gives them that.

And they hate him.

He's never going to produce a Songs In The Key of Life, but that's okay.

Same goes for K-Dot. He may not have made the greatest hip-hop albums of all time, but his albums would be banging in any era and if heads are honest with themselves his albums are actually a cut above a lot of "classics."

namepeace said:

MotownSubdivision said:

namepeace said: But Bruno does? I'm not personally attacking you but that seems to be the prevailing consensus here.

I'm with you. I don't understand the intensity of the blowback against him.

People say they want "real music" performed by talented musicians.

Whatever his shortcomings, Bruno gives them that.

And they hate him.

He's never going to produce a Songs In The Key of Life, but that's okay.

U do realize that people still have 2 actually like the work.

I'm still waiting on a single song that I like from this guy.

Dude is straight paint by numbers......which simply bores me 2 tears.

He has zero SOUL or FUNK or feeling in his work.

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kitbradley said:

Fans of RnB will support it alright. The problem is that there's not many fans of real RnB left anymore. The pop charts are full of generic dance beats and nonsense lyrics by people who can't sing. That's the kind of music that sells now. 24k Magic felt like a breath of fresh air in comparison to modern pop and RnB. Which is probably why it won all those awards.

EmmaMcG said:

kitbradley said:

Yes. Usher or Tank could have released the exact same kind of album Bruno did and they would have went no where and been quickly forgotten. R&B fans claim to want real R&B from black artists. But when they get it (outside of Kem), they dont support it.

Fans of RnB will support it alright. The problem is that there's not many fans of real RnB left anymore. The pop charts are full of generic dance beats and nonsense lyrics by people who can't sing. That's the kind of music that sells now. 24k Magic felt like a breath of fresh air in comparison to modern pop and RnB. Which is probably why it won all those awards.

Precisely.

Mainstream music last year was dull as hell. At least Bruno's music stood out; the charts in 2017 were a sea of interchangeable, grayscale boredom. In retrospect, last year was a more of a disappointment than anything.