I am still a Frank Ocean fan, but his rant against the grammys and its producer last year left a sour taste in my mouth.

He might have had somewhat good arguements as to why he didn't want to participate in the awards, but the biggest crime was that he had no interest in redeeming himself after that disasterous performance he gave (and was warned against) the last time.

Mariah Carey on the other hand won't stand for such nonsense. She came to last years New Years Rockin Eve woefully unprepared, giving the non-performance of the ages.

Not satisfied with that being possibly her last televised performance, she boldy came back and gave, if for only one night) a performance worthy of her name.

It's a lesson Frank Ocean in particular and any new artist in general can learn from.

If Frank is satisfied with that piss-poor performance he left us with he will always be thought of as extremely over-rated. Does he even care about giving his fans a decent performance?

Will Chris Brown ever pay attention to people like Beyonce and Justin Timberlake and actually come prepared for a performance without overwhelmingly obnoxious vocal tracks and awkward looking dance moves?

If I were an artist I'd like to think that my goal would be to impress the audience as opposed to going through it for my audience.

Kudos to you Mariah! You have old-school pride

And this is what they're calling redemption? I must see last year's celebration to compare the two. She seems easily winded now.

Musicslave said:

And this is what they're calling redemption? I must see last year's celebration to compare the two. She seems easily winded now.

It's not perfect, but there's glimmers of the old Mariah coming through.

Last year was a non-performance, sparking rumors that she had completely lost it.

SoulAlive said:

I missed her performance.Was she still doing her tired,queen diva act?

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SoulAlive said:

I missed her performance.Was she still doing her tired,queen diva act?

phillymonster said:

So have standards been lowered that much? She sounds horrible.

She was fine. People like Frank Ocean have no idea how to perform in front of an audience and they are never going to learn by sitting down and bitching. Go out on the road and learn how to perform. Frank thinks he can coast off of being the first openly gay black artist. What does that have to do with his untalented ass I will never know.

phillymonster said:

So have standards been lowered that much? She sounds horrible.

I have to agree with you. I will say that it was indeed bitter cold and that will make it difficult to stand out there and sing, but Mariah's voice is very average. Nothing she does interests me anymore. She's become a joke.

A hero lies in u and u and u...

Sides, Frankie is cool. At least he put out a dope album in the last 2 decades. Sayin...

Like Nippy before her, Mimi's vocal power has deteriorated a great deal. But, she sounds better than Nippy did during the last 10 years of her career. I think she gave a respectable performance the other night on the New Year's Eve show. But, definately not the same Mimi we heard in the early 90's.

I rarely detest or adore pop stars, but her diva attitude has been most offputting for almost her entire career. Unfortunately, she was still put out the same old entitled diva vibe the other night. I agree that her voice has deteriorated, but her attitude poisoned her music and performances long before her decline.

gandorb said:

gandorb said:

I rarely detest or adore pop stars, but her diva attitude has been most offputting for almost her entire career. Unfortunately, she was still put out the same old entitled diva vibe the other night. I agree that her voice has deteriorated, but her attitude poisoned her music and performances long before her decline.

I always have a feeling her diva act is not real, i think she is making fun of it.

Its part of her act.

nextedition said:

gandorb said:

I rarely detest or adore pop stars, but her diva attitude has been most offputting for almost her entire career. Unfortunately, she was still put out the same old entitled diva vibe the other night. I agree that her voice has deteriorated, but her attitude poisoned her music and performances long before her decline.

I always have a feeling her diva act is not real, i think she is making fun of it.

Its part of her act.

I agree.

It's shtick. And it's funny.

Also on a sub-zero degree night the least they could've done was have her hot tea on stand-by.

According to legend I'm sure she asked for it beforehand.

CynicKill said:

nextedition said:

I always have a feeling her diva act is not real, i think she is making fun of it.

Its part of her act.

I agree.

It's shtick. And it's funny.

Also on a sub-zero degree night the least they could've done was have her hot tea on stand-by.

According to legend I'm sure she asked for it beforehand.

But her diva demands are not an act, nor is her attitude. She may play it up at times for effect, but it is seems to be there all the time. If it has been a career long joke, the joke is on her as she has turned so many people off.