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Thread started 01/01/18 4:01am

phillymonster

Madonna FAR more of an artist than Whitney Houston

Whitney had a voice, and that's it. She had nothing else to offer. Madonna has (and still has to a certain degree) the whole package. And Whitney tried to hide her true self by being homophobic. Madonna embraced the rumors she was gay and laughed with it -- at a time one wasn't supposed to.
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Reply #1 posted 01/01/18 4:19am

NorthC

Don't you think we have enough threads about this subject already?
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Reply #2 posted 01/01/18 7:15am

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Three threads on Madonna and counting... lol

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Reply #3 posted 01/01/18 8:02am

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No she isn't. Whitney is a excellent singer who had a great ear for melody, harmony, pitch, etc that Nadonna wishes she could buy. Madonna can barley sing in key. Madonna had to go the route she went because she had no other choice. Whitney didn't have to do that because she was talented. Also there's no proof Whitney was gay. Bi-sexual, maybe. Whitney wasn't a homophobe either.
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Reply #4 posted 01/01/18 8:57am

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purple05 said:

No she isn't. Whitney is a excellent singer who had a great ear for melody, harmony, pitch, etc that Nadonna wishes she could buy. Madonna can barley sing in key. Madonna had to go the route she went because she had no other choice. Whitney didn't have to do that because she was talented. Also there's no proof Whitney was gay. Bi-sexual, maybe. Whitney wasn't a homophobe either.
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LOL! Whitney, is that you? Thought u were dead.
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Reply #5 posted 01/01/18 9:00am

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NorthC said:

Don't you think we have enough threads about this subject already?


Agreed. It's a shitty attempt to pit two artists - FEMALES - against each other. Madonna vs. Whitney??? Desperate.

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Reply #6 posted 01/01/18 9:06am

phillymonster

Lol. To say Madonna "had to go that route" cause she had no other choice is laughable. In 1988, implying you are bisxual was a career killer. It's comparable to admitting you're a terrorist today. People were very closed-minded then
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Reply #7 posted 01/01/18 9:16am

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apples and oranges.. i love both for different reasons

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Reply #8 posted 01/01/18 11:44am

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apples and oranges.. i love both for different reasons


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Reply #9 posted 01/01/18 12:36pm

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Madonna is definitely a far superior artist especially performance artist. Take the Gay Disco Passion of The Girlie Show.

The section starts with a rearranged Express Yourself to make it more Disco-y with Madonna descending on a Mirror Ball in D&G clothes that could have been what she wore to the gay bars of Detorit with her dance teacher. In this setting Express Yourself becomes about coming out. After EY comes Madonna entering the Gay Club for Deeper and Deeper and experiences falling in love and lust for the first time out, including the orgy. The orgy turns into a political rally with Why Is It So Hard as everyone realizes the fight for equal rights is still raging and still needs to be won. As the song goes on each dancer, guitarist, bassit and Donna and Niki walk into the light leaving Madonna all alone with the harlquin that represents innocence to sing her tribute to her friends who died of AIDS.

After In This Life, Madonna's interlude of The Beast Within.


Madonna's voice reads from the Book of Revelations while comparing the struggle gay men face to Jesus.

I could go all day about the subtext and hidden messages of Madonna's art. Whitney just is a singer.
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Reply #10 posted 01/01/18 12:58pm

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Let's also look at one of Madonna's crowning achievements. the Like A Prayer video.

Like A Prayer which is a song about her mother and how hearing her name which is her mother's name is like a prayer because her mother was the only angel she knew after her mom died.


For the video Madonna left out all the references visually to her mother but one. It opens where this play with in a play climaxes. Madonna sees a white gang kill a woman and a black man take the fall and is too scared to say anything. She approaches a church as she runs from what happens and enters to see a giant statue of St Martin de Porres the former slave turned priest who is this patron saint of race relations and falls asleep. While asleep she sees Martin go out to take the man's place because Jesus commands us to take care of the prisoners. Confused by her actions rshe received stigma to remind her what would Jesus before coming face to face with God personaified as the choir leader who gives her the strength to face her fear. Then we she her dancing in front of the burning crosses to symbolize her standing up to systematic racism before setting the man free.


Then on the Blond Ambition Tour the passion
begins with Like A Virgin and finding liberation in sexual exsatsy
This is followed by religious exastcy
notice the humping from the bed is now done wile praying showing sexual exsatsy and religious exastcy are the same.
feeling lost and confused she seeks refuge in the church in live to tell but only to have the church fail to help and end up harming her in Oh Father
And ending with Madonna calling the church on it's hypocrisy with Papa Don't Preach

Yes Whitney is a better singer Madonna is a better performer and artist
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Reply #11 posted 01/01/18 2:15pm

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phillymonster said:

Lol. To say Madonna "had to go that route" cause she had no other choice is laughable. In 1988, implying you are bisxual was a career killer. It's comparable to admitting you're a terrorist today. People were very closed-minded then

Madonna had to go that route as far as performing. Without MTV Madonna is a club/underground performer.

Madonna isn't a better performer than Whitney. Whitney had more stage presence and charisma. Madonna put in far better shows and performances due to the imagery and choreography used. Madonna made the most out of the least. But she doesn't have a great stage presence or charisma.
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Reply #12 posted 01/01/18 2:22pm

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Comparing Madonna to Whitney is not a fair comparison. Madonna is a performer; Whitney was a vocalist.

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Why do you have such contempt for a dead person? eek

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Reply #13 posted 01/01/18 2:40pm

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cloveringold85 said:

Comparing Madonna to Whitney is not a fair comparison. Madonna is a performer; Whitney was a vocalist.

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Why do you have such contempt for a dead person? eek

Madonna and Whitney have been slammed a lot on this board over the years... lol

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purplethunder3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Comparing Madonna to Whitney is not a fair comparison. Madonna is a performer; Whitney was a vocalist.

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Why do you have such contempt for a dead person? eek

Madonna and Whitney have been slammed a lot on this board over the years... lol

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I think it's silly, really. lol

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Reply #15 posted 01/02/18 2:26am

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Madonna could not have been a back-up singer or musician. Yet she had star-power, she caught the zeitgeist. She was an icon and created some fantastic albums, her early stuff and Erotica, Creative shows but massive limitations as a performer and even in interviews (look at her acting career (imho)

Whitney could have been a back up singer, and she would have been as wasted as much as Luther Vandross was in her nascent career. She could sing at a diva level, she had soul. Whitney could interpret songs and do magic with them = I will always love you. She was never the cultural force of Madonna and was a performer more than an artist, so in a sense I agree with the premise of your topic.

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Reply #16 posted 01/02/18 11:39pm

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purple05 said:

phillymonster said:

Lol. To say Madonna "had to go that route" cause she had no other choice is laughable. In 1988, implying you are bisxual was a career killer. It's comparable to admitting you're a terrorist today. People were very closed-minded then

Madonna had to go that route as far as performing. Without MTV Madonna is a club/underground performer.

Madonna isn't a better performer than Whitney. Whitney had more stage presence and charisma. Madonna put in far better shows and performances due to the imagery and choreography used. Madonna made the most out of the least. But she doesn't have a great stage presence or charisma.


Get off the drugs. fast. Whitney more stage presence? I guess crack is whack
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Reply #17 posted 01/03/18 6:00am

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If you actually believe in art then you shouldn't be ranking it shrug

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Reply #18 posted 01/03/18 11:20am

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phillymonster said:

purple05 said:


Madonna had to go that route as far as performing. Without MTV Madonna is a club/underground performer.

Madonna isn't a better performer than Whitney. Whitney had more stage presence and charisma. Madonna put in far better shows and performances due to the imagery and choreography used. Madonna made the most out of the least. But she doesn't have a great stage presence or charisma.


Get off the drugs. fast. Whitney more stage presence? I guess crack is whack

No you get off drugs. You don't know what stage presence is. Stage presence isn't about dancing but charisma.

Stop being biased and show he a video where Madonna has this level of stage presence






Here are videos of two other artist who sho great command of the stage WITHOUT dancing



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Reply #19 posted 01/03/18 2:04pm

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Yeah that's true, Madonna was way better

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Reply #20 posted 01/03/18 2:50pm

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I don't think it's fair to say Madonna is a far better artist than Whitney was, because they are/were both amazing performers. Whitney was a vocalist and not really a fair comparison to Madonna. They were two completely different performers........just like MJ and Prince was......we keep goin round and round with this, LOL lol

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Reply #21 posted 01/03/18 3:44pm

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cloveringold85 said:

I don't think it's fair to say Madonna is a far better artist than Whitney was, because they are/were both amazing performers. Whitney was a vocalist and not really a fair comparison to Madonna. They were two completely different performers........just like MJ and Prince was......we keep goin round and round with this, LOL lol

except that they're so DISIMILAR it shouldn't even be discussed... Totally different strengths and weaknesses

Silly thread!

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Reply #22 posted 01/03/18 3:52pm

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jaawwnn said:

If you actually believe in art then you shouldn't be ranking it shrug

This comment is probably the best I've ever read on that subject eek

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Reply #23 posted 01/03/18 7:25pm

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cloveringold85 said:

I don't think it's fair to say Madonna is a far better artist than Whitney was, because they are/were both amazing performers. Whitney was a vocalist and not really a fair comparison to Madonna. They were two completely different performers.....just like MJ and Prince was.....we keep goin round and round with this, LOL lol




I agree. They have something for whomever likes them.
I just hate how people downplay Whitney's artistry and performance skills. That woman had IT!
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