LightOfArt said:

I wish the Eurythmics would've gotten in.

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Uuuhhhhhmmm.... i think you're VERY unfamiliar with ANY of those bands. WHITESNAKE (barring vai's bit) were generic G major rock songs. Go refer to the albums first before making those horribly egregious comparisons. Jesus Christ!

David Coverdale has NEVER been generic. He is one the greatest rock vocalists ever. Even Blackmore thought so. Jesus Christ is not going to help your cause so calm down

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Identity said:

It's about time that Rick James got nominated. I am bewildered with respect to why he has been unceremoniously snubbed for quite a long time.

Rick, Barry White, Kool & the Gang, Ohio Players, Commodores have never been nominated. Travesty.

All of these is long overdue. I just don't understand the RRHOF, most of their inductees leave me scratching my head, every year.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

RodeoSchro said:

Glad to see The Cars and Bon Jovi get in. I never really dug The Moody Blues but more power to them. I can't say that Dire Straits had the catalogue IMHO to get in, but they did help revolutionize music videos with "Money For Nothing". Maybe that should have kept them OUT, LOL.

I know I'm an Old and that the horse is out of the barn on this, but LL Cool J deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame about as much as The Cars deserve to be in the Rap Hall of Fame.

Why doesn't LL deserve to be in the Hall? He should have been in a few years ago.

Because it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Mr. LL has absolutely nothing to do with rock and roll. And yes, I know - that horse is waaaaaay out of the barn. There are a LOT of prior inductess that have absolutely nothing to do with rock.

But flip it around. Say there is a Rap Hall of Fame. Should Bruce Springsteen or Led Zeppelin be inducted into such a Hall? Of course not! Same thing here. Again, I know I am shaking my fist at clouds.

However, since I am an Old, I'm exercising my constitutional right to shake fists at clouds.

RodeoSchro said:

Because it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Mr. LL has absolutely nothing to do with rock and roll. And yes, I know - that horse is waaaaaay out of the barn. There are a LOT of prior inductess that have absolutely nothing to do with rock.

Rock is not really one thing though. There's rock bands that have rap elements like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Korn, Rage Against The Machine, the nu-metal genre, etc. There's also stoner rock, psychedelic rock, country rock, progressive rock, heavy metal, hard rock, glam rock, jazz rock, horn rock, punk rock, rockabilly, blues rock, thrash, southern rock, arena rock, light rock, industrial rock, funk rock, folk rock, pop rock, and so on. Many of these don't sound like the other.

The museum is really the Rolling Stone Magazine Hall Of Fame. It's not an independent organization, and mainly features the taste of its founders and writers. That's why there's not much metal, prog, or southern rock in it. If you read Rolling Stone for a long period of time, you can kind of guess who is more likely to be inducted or not. Which is why I don't expect acts like Barry White and Rufus to be inducted.

RodeoSchro said:

This place should rename itself the music hall of fame or the entertainment hall of fame.

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It's about as Rock & Roll as Rolling Stone is a Rock Magazine....it's not.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Not knocking the Hall. But how did Sister Rosetta get in? Was it just from the viral videos? I mean she's been eligible since the first year in 85 but never received 1 nomination.

She plays a mean guitar....

MickyDolenz said:

The museum is really the Rolling Stone Magazine Hall Of Fame. It's not an independent organization, and mainly features the taste of its founders and writers. That's why there's not much metal, prog, or southern rock in it. If you read Rolling Stone for a long period of time, you can kind of guess who is more likely to be inducted or not. Which is why I don't expect acts like Barry White and Rufus to be inducted.

Which is why when they opened up the online fan voting and taking that into account that people and fans of these artists need to bombard the Hall with it. Lets realize that the only reason BON JOVI is in is because of fans, they were never and still are not critics choices for anything. But it would be embrarrasing and would really prove manys statements about the Hall keeping certain people out, true if the artist that had so many more votes than anyone, 1.3 million and they dont get in. So the problem is also that when Rufus is on there and Barry etc....are the fans caring enough to vote them in or at least make a noise and get them a look.

lastdecember said:

Which is why when they opened up the online fan voting and taking that into account that people and fans of these artists need to bombard the Hall with it. Lets realize that the only reason BON JOVI is in is because of fans, they were never and still are not critics choices for anything. But it would be embrarrasing and would really prove manys statements about the Hall keeping certain people out, true if the artist that had so many more votes than anyone, 1.3 million and they dont get in. So the problem is also that when Rufus is on there and Barry etc....are the fans caring enough to vote them in or at least make a noise and get them a look.

The original fans of those acts probably weren't Rolling Stone readers or care about the rock hall. The current younger readers of Rolling Stone are less likely to know Rufus is, so they're not going to vote for them. But I imagine they're likely to vote Destiny's Child in when it's their time though. There's a funk museum in Dayton Ohio, that probably not a lot of people are aware of, which does not get the publicity of the rock hall.

The thing is the music of an act like Bon Jovi is still heard in a lot of places, so younger people are more likely to have heard of them than heard of Rufus. They also have a lot of video footage that can be shown, that the average older R&B/funk act like Rufus doesn't have. Rufus, nor Chaka Khan or Barry White was ever as big as Bon Jovi or the Eagles in the first place. I think popularity is a factor in getting people to vote in a thing like this. It's like having a vote between Chaka & Michael Jackson. Mike is gonna win pertty much every time. Because more people have heard of Mike than Chaka, and Mike has fans who are more likely to want to vote just to see him win. I doubt the average Rufus or Teddy Pendergrass fan even cares about this if they even know about it. There was another thread where someone posted the votes for this years nominees and Rufus, Kate Bush, & The Meters were near the bottom the entire time. Bon Jovi was at the top. There's also the case rap is the big thing now. Rap has crossed over to the mainstream in a way R&B never really has. There are a lot more R&B acts that are mainly known to the R&B audience than have crossed over to Top 40 pop radio. Like The Whispers, Teena Marie, & Cameo have a lot of R&B hits, but just 1 or 2 songs that became big pop hits.

lastdecember said:

RodeoSchro said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

RodeoSchro said: Why doesn't LL deserve to be in the Hall? He should have been in a few years ago.

Because it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and Mr. LL has absolutely nothing to do with rock and roll. And yes, I know - that horse is waaaaaay out of the barn. There are a LOT of prior inductess that have absolutely nothing to do with rock.

But flip it around. Say there is a Rap Hall of Fame. Should Bruce Springsteen or Led Zeppelin be inducted into such a Hall? Of course not! Same thing here. Again, I know I am shaking my fist at clouds.

LL was amongst the very first (alongside Larry Smith, Run DMC, Beasties, PE...) to integrate Rock into Rap music on a large scale

when did The Cars, Bruce or Led Zeppelin integrate Rap or Hip Hop into their music?

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

Which is why when they opened up the online fan voting and taking that into account that people and fans of these artists need to bombard the Hall with it. Lets realize that the only reason BON JOVI is in is because of fans, they were never and still are not critics choices for anything. But it would be embrarrasing and would really prove manys statements about the Hall keeping certain people out, true if the artist that had so many more votes than anyone, 1.3 million and they dont get in. So the problem is also that when Rufus is on there and Barry etc....are the fans caring enough to vote them in or at least make a noise and get them a look.

The original fans of those acts probably weren't Rolling Stone readers or care about the rock hall. The current younger readers of Rolling Stone are less likely to know Rufus is, so they're not going to vote for them. But I imagine they're likely to vote Destiny's Child in when it's their time though. There's a funk museum in Dayton Ohio, that probably not a lot of people are aware of, which does not get the publicity of the rock hall.

The thing is the music of an act like Bon Jovi is still heard in a lot of places, so younger people are more likely to have heard of them than heard of Rufus. They also have a lot of video footage that can be shown, that the average older R&B/funk act like Rufus doesn't have. Rufus, nor Chaka Khan or Barry White was ever as big as Bon Jovi or the Eagles in the first place. I think popularity is a factor in getting people to vote in a thing like this. It's like having a vote between Chaka & Michael Jackson. Mike is gonna win pertty much every time. Because more people have heard of Mike than Chaka, and Mike has fans who are more likely to want to vote just to see him win. I doubt the average Rufus or Teddy Pendergrass fan even cares about this if they even know about it. There was another thread where someone posted the votes for this years nominees and Rufus, Kate Bush, & The Meters were near the bottom the entire time. Bon Jovi was at the top. There's also the case rap is the big thing now. Rap has crossed over to the mainstream in a way R&B never really has. There are a lot more R&B acts that are mainly known to the R&B audience than have crossed over to Top 40 pop radio. Like The Whispers, Teena Marie, & Cameo have a lot of R&B hits, but just 1 or 2 songs that became big pop hits.

Which is very true. But acts like the Moody Blues and the Cars were nly about 300,000 votes behind Jovi and neither is really still recording and in the light at least like Jovi is, the Moody Blues are now basically doing the summer tour thing and most members are not even in the band anymore. The Cars had an album a few years back that got some attention but they were always an under the radar low exposure band except in the 1984-88 time period. With the online presence that Jovi has ironically, it does surprise me that RADIOHEAD did poorly with fan voting since this is a band that was all about doing things online where as Jovi is from a time when the iternet was not even a thought.

LightOfArt said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Uuuhhhhhmmm.... i think you're VERY unfamiliar with ANY of those bands. WHITESNAKE (barring vai's bit) were generic G major rock songs. Go refer to the albums first before making those horribly egregious comparisons. Jesus Christ!

David Coverdale has NEVER been generic. He is one the greatest rock vocalists ever. Even Blackmore thought so. Jesus Christ is not going to help your cause so calm down

No one's arguing whether Coverdale was a great VOCALIST...

Just that Whitesnake don't rate anywhere near any of the previously mentioned giants... Sabbath, Zep etc... nothing they touched was as majestic, meticulous, incredible etc as anything from either of those... even Deep Purple MKI-III.... wasn't he in IV?.... they were pretty good... BURN and STORMBRINGER come to mind... same with the Page album... but nothing near those other folks. Come Taste the Band isn't bad...but doesn't rate.

Whitesnake was a Gmaj chord 80's hair kind of band that sometimes felt like a send up of itself.. cheese.

BUt hey each to their own.

No songs like "Children of the Grave, The Writ, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, After Forever, Black SAbbath"... "nor A KAshmir, Out on the TIles, Black DOg, Evermore, Comm Breakdown, etc"...

They got a lot of mileage on generic cheese "metal", I'll give them that... and scoring Tawney Kitaen... reeeawwrr

lastdecember said:

Which is very true. But acts like the Moody Blues and the Cars were nly about 300,000 votes behind Jovi and neither is really still recording and in the light at least like Jovi is, the Moody Blues are now basically doing the summer tour thing and most members are not even in the band anymore. The Cars had an album a few years back that got some attention but they were always an under the radar low exposure band except in the 1984-88 time period. With the online presence that Jovi has ironically, it does surprise me that RADIOHEAD did poorly with fan voting since this is a band that was all about doing things online where as Jovi is from a time when the iternet was not even a thought.

I don't know who Radiohead is, but I hear The Cars played on the classic rock station pretty regularly, especially Let The Good Times Roll. I think the Moody Blues is one of the boomer era bands that hadn't yet been inducted. Like Paul Butterfield Blues Band was inducted in recent years. I also think that the hall has to pick some acts who will draw an enough of an audience to watch the HBO broadcast. Bon Jovi can do that especially if the original 5 members performed. People partly watch these things to see which group members will show up. Sister Rosetta Tharpe & Nina Simone by themselves couldn't do that and they are not alive to perform anyway. So all of the inductees can't be lesser known by the mainstream or at least rock fans.

I'm baffled at the bashing of Sister Rosetta Tharpe's nomination. So what if it took a viral clip to get her in? Orgers complain all the time about "Rock" not recognizing its black roots. Now a pioneering figure gets in and it's met with a "meh"? Come on, y'all.

namepeace said:

I'm baffled at the bashing of Sister Rosetta Tharpe's nomination. So what if it took a viral clip to get her in? Orgers complain all the time about "Rock" not recognizing its black roots. Now a pioneering figure gets in and it's met with a "meh"? Come on, y'all.

The Hall is getting bashed, not Sister Rosetta Tharpe. And rightfully so.

My Bon jovi pick made it..Jovi is gonna sell out the Ceremony venue....I was OFF on LL Cool J...I'm glad they went with Nina instead..