Reply #60 posted 12/07/17 10:16pm
MickyDolenz 
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214 said:
You should take a listen it's a great song. It was released officially in 2004 The Ultimate Collection.
Didn't get that. Figured it was just another compilation of the same songs again
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Reply #61 posted 12/07/17 11:21pm
214 |
MickyDolenz said:
214 said:
You should take a listen it's a great song. It was released officially in 2004 The Ultimate Collection.
Didn't get that. Figured it was just another compilation of the same songs again
Some of them are as you might expect from the title, but it includes some unreleased stuff like Monkey Business, We've Had Enough, Fall Again, Beautiful Girl and Cheater. |
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Reply #62 posted 12/09/17 5:04pm
InTime |
214 said:
What do you think about Monkey Bussiness, to me is a masterpiece lyricallly and musically. It should have been on Dangerous.
I agree. That is one of many songs that should have been included, imo. |
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Reply #63 posted 12/10/17 1:08am
alphastreet |
The tracks off ultimate collection are SO underrated!!! Some of them even outdo invincible tracks and have stronger melodies and harmonies. Glad to see this gem discussed
Monkey business is a masterpiece but also sounds to me like a sequel to george Michael's monkey produced by no other than jam & Lewis  ya dig?
Those vocals are something else!!!! But I can see why it didn't make dangerous, it doesn't fit the flow of the album. Give in to me was grittier and gave the album a climax monkey may have not been able to though they make good distant cousins [Edited 12/9/17 17:09pm] |
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Reply #64 posted 12/10/17 2:43pm
Superstition 
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The first album I listened to where I didn’t feel there was any filler. My favorite album of all time.
The only critique is it’s missing a solid R&B ballad. Would have loved a smooth R&B track like what was featured on Invincible. Even Someone Put Your Hand Out would’ve sufficed, though I’d prefer something a tad less soft... Something like Joy would have been perfect.
But regardless, it’s a masterpiece. It’s aged so well. |
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Reply #65 posted 12/10/17 9:16pm
214 |
Superstition said:
The first album I listened to where I didn’t feel there was any filler. My favorite album of all time. The only critique is it’s missing a solid R&B ballad. Would have loved a smooth R&B track like what was featured on Invincible. Even Someone Put Your Hand Out would’ve sufficed, though I’d prefer something a tad less soft... Something like Joy would have been perfect. But regardless, it’s a masterpiece. It’s aged so well.
If the original version is marvelous I could only imagine how wonderful the Michael Jackson version is. |
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Reply #66 posted 12/10/17 9:59pm
214 |
This would be my perfect Dangerous album:
1. Jam
2. Why You Wanna Trip On Me
3. In The Closet
4. Can't Let Her Get Away
5. Remember The Time
6. Someone Pút Your Hand Out
7. Monkey Business
8. Heal The World
9. Do You Know Where Your Children Are
10. Black Or White
11. Who Is It
12. Give In To Me
13. Will You Be There
14. Keep The Faith
15. Gone Too Soon
16. Dangerous [Edited 12/10/17 14:19pm] |
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Reply #67 posted 12/10/17 10:46pm
InTime |
bboy87 said:
The songs that didn’t make it:
Blood On The Dancefloor
Ghosts
Someone Put Your Hand Out
They Don’t Care About Us
Superfly Sister
Slave To The Rhythm
Best of Joy
For All Time
What About Us/Planet Earth (Earth Song)
Call It Off
Throwing Your Life Away
Serious Effect
Trust About Youth
If You Don’t Love Me
Joy
Verdict
Pressure
Ghost of Another Lover
Fever
Man In Black
To Satisfy You
Work That Body
Bottle of Smoke
Deep In The Night
Homeless Bound
All The Truth
Don’t Believe It
Seven Digits
What is known about the songs from this list that are not circulating online?
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Reply #68 posted 12/10/17 10:49pm
alphastreet |
Superstition said:
The first album I listened to where I didn’t feel there was any filler. My favorite album of all time. The only critique is it’s missing a solid R&B ballad. Would have loved a smooth R&B track like what was featured on Invincible. Even Someone Put Your Hand Out would’ve sufficed, though I’d prefer something a tad less soft... Something like Joy would have been perfect. But regardless, it’s a masterpiece. It’s aged so well.
It truly has! I've heard in the past people compare this to off the wall and thriller era music (rolling stone in particular) like an updated one, but I think it stands on a class of it's own. I really feel the music and sounds and engineering on this album influenced so many r&b/pop artists since and doesn't really get his due.
You're right there was no smooth r&b love jam on dangerous...I wonder if he intentionally did that though, or simply felt inserting one into the tracklist would distort the vision he had for the album (citing Nutcracker ballet in ebony interview and wanting it to be like a musical)...and chose to deliver someone put your hand out as a launch.
You know, he gets credit for being an artist and entertainer, I feel he seldom gets credit for his clever strategizing (selectively) when it came to marketing himself. |
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Reply #69 posted 12/13/17 4:27pm
DaveT 
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Fascinating to read all the comments here about unreleased MJ tracks and 'fan made' albums.
I'd never really considered MJ in these regards before, mostly because I stopped following him once his life outside of music went sideways. Is there much out there though? Has any of it been released? I've got the anniversary editions of Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous as I know they had a couple of unreleased tracks ... I just never put MJ in the same bracket as Prince in terms of unreleased music. |
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Reply #70 posted 12/13/17 10:46pm
214 |
DaveT said:
Fascinating to read all the comments here about unreleased MJ tracks and 'fan made' albums.
I'd never really considered MJ in these regards before, mostly because I stopped following him once his life outside of music went sideways. Is there much out there though? Has any of it been released? I've got the anniversary editions of Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous as I know they had a couple of unreleased tracks ... I just never put MJ in the same bracket as Prince in terms of unreleased music.
He certainly is not, as far as we know. However, there are some couple of songs that have leaked through the years. |
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Reply #71 posted 12/15/17 9:42am
bboy87 
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DaveT said:
Fascinating to read all the comments here about unreleased MJ tracks and 'fan made' albums.
I'd never really considered MJ in these regards before, mostly because I stopped following him once his life outside of music went sideways. Is there much out there though? Has any of it been released? I've got the anniversary editions of Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous as I know they had a couple of unreleased tracks ... I just never put MJ in the same bracket as Prince in terms of unreleased music.
He worked extensively over the years when he was out of the spotlight (He worked with his own team on over 60 songs or so between 1983 to 1987, for example). There's material that I don't even think the estate has access to. Not everything is complete though. I don't think they've even got in contact with some of his collaborators except to ask them to identify tapes 
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Reply #72 posted 12/15/17 1:43pm
Derek1984 
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bboy87 said:
DaveT said:
Fascinating to read all the comments here about unreleased MJ tracks and 'fan made' albums.
I'd never really considered MJ in these regards before, mostly because I stopped following him once his life outside of music went sideways. Is there much out there though? Has any of it been released? I've got the anniversary editions of Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous as I know they had a couple of unreleased tracks ... I just never put MJ in the same bracket as Prince in terms of unreleased music.
He worked extensively over the years when he was out of the spotlight (He worked with his own team on over 60 songs or so between 1983 to 1987, for example). There's material that I don't even think the estate has access to. Not everything is complete though. I don't think they've even got in contact with some of his collaborators except to ask them to identify tapes 
He worked a lot with John Barnes and Bryan Loren in the 80's. |
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Reply #73 posted 12/15/17 4:14pm
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DaveT said: Fascinating to read all the comments here about unreleased MJ tracks and 'fan made' albums.
I'd never really considered MJ in these regards before, mostly because I stopped following him once his life outside of music went sideways. Is there much out there though? Has any of it been released? I've got the anniversary editions of Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad and Dangerous as I know they had a couple of unreleased tracks ... I just never put MJ in the same bracket as Prince in terms of unreleased music. Prince has much more completed work. Most of MJs work is incomplete. They both were very hard works according to Jimmy, Prince was more prolific 'Working with Michael was a great and unique experience. He was a guy who loved being in the studio, he would work all hours; he didn’t care. I’ve never seen anybody work any harder than he does, and that’s coming from somebody who has worked with Prince – now Prince is a hard-working guy.' |
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Reply #74 posted 12/15/17 8:35pm
bboy87 
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Derek1984 said:
bboy87 said:
He worked extensively over the years when he was out of the spotlight (He worked with his own team on over 60 songs or so between 1983 to 1987, for example). There's material that I don't even think the estate has access to. Not everything is complete though. I don't think they've even got in contact with some of his collaborators except to ask them to identify tapes 
He worked a lot with John Barnes and Bryan Loren in the 80's.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the 83-87 part years because they worked on a lot of stuff. When Michael was on the Victory tour, he and Barnes would set up shop at the hotel suite or a studio in the area and would record there. Stuff like Dirty Diana, Loving You, Alright Now, Centipede, We Are Here To Change The World, Another Part of Me, I'm So Blue, and Al Capone came to be "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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