I'll take Triumph all day over Destiny.

Can You Feel It, Lovely One, Everybody, Heartbreak Hotel, and Wondering Who.

Everybody is just as basslicious as On the Floor. MJ takes give you a sneak peek into

his solo world on Everybody and Heartbreak Hotel. Heartbreak Hotel is just a masterpiece.

It must be something about that title because that is Whitney Houston's best work imo.

Really? I think Off The Wall is the greatest album ever recorded by anyone in the Jackson family.Imo,Triumph doesn't even come close

LightOfArt said:

My vote goes to Triumph. I think I prefer it over Off The Wall as well

True!

SoulAlive said:

Really? I think Off The Wall is the greatest album ever recorded by anyone in the Jackson family.Imo,Triumph doesn't even come close

LightOfArt said:

My vote goes to Triumph. I think I prefer it over Off The Wall as well

The production on Off the Wall is VERY much the template for - Triumph!

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

had the Jackson family (group) album run ended at Triumph, it would have been a fantastic end to a great run of albums

Not to me. I like Victory, 2300 Jackson Street, & the live album.

MickyDolenz said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

had the Jackson family (group) album run ended at Triumph, it would have been a fantastic end to a great run of albums

Not to me. I like Victory, 2300 Jackson Street, & the live album.

2300 was nothing special, so forgettable. Victory had some good moments but was inconsistent as an album and became outdated fast, something destiny and triumph didn't suffer from. Maybe they were just better off making real music vs. letting synths take over their sound, becoming rather generic with time. How else has the J5, and early jacksons work stood the test of time vs. these forgettable albums

No such thing as "real music". All music is real.

alphastreet said:

I actually prefer destiny to off the wall, and otw is amazing! I think the weak point of triumph is that several songs sound similar to each other, that wasn't really on destiny

Count me there. Destiny is a masterpiece and unfairly underrated.

alphastreet said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I dig Destiny more. Both excellent albums and had the Jackson family (group) album run ended at Triumph, it would have been a fantastic end to a great run of albums. Besides the popular songs on Destiny,I love “Push me away”. One of MJs best vocals.

I love that song! Some of the most beautiful ballads in mjs career is on this album

Indeed, perhaps the most beautiful ballads are there. Bless His Soul, That's What You Get and Destiny are with no doubt the best and most sincere lyrics he ever wrote.

alphastreet said:

How else has the J5, and early jacksons work stood the test of time vs. these forgettable albums

All of The Jacksons & J5 stuff has the sound of their time. They would need trap beats, samples, or rappers to get on the radio today like Wild Thoughts. Victory came out in 1984 when electrofunk and synth bands like Human League & Duran Duran were hot. So why would it sound like a 1970s disco era album like Destiny? Bad had a synth sound too and Dangerous was New Jack Swing. Around 1984, Motown released Farewell My Summer Love, which didn't use the original mixes, but had newly recorded music that was contemporary to that era. In the 1990s, a few Off The Wall songs had house & dance remixes. Beat It had a techno remix. Same for later remixes like these:

Many old songs by all kinds of artists are remixed for modern audiences. I have a Nat King Cole remix album. Elvis Presley had a hit with A Little Less Conversation awhile back. That wouldn't have happened with the original mix.

alphastreet said:

i love new wave and synths don't get me wrong but as a group with victory and onward with exception of some gems on that album, they seemed more focused on trying to sound like their competition vs having fun. Also the fact they were trained from an early age to sing with instrumental accompaniment and harmonizing in a fashion with that aesthetic, this was a departure for them musically and I got the sense some brothers adjusted to that more than others. Plus keeping in mind the tensions between the brothers , its apparent they were all over the place here. Having said that, they were beginning to branch out solo at the time and the cohesion was not what it used to be

They're not the only act to change their sound to synths in the 1980s. ZZ Top was a blues based band, but they had their biggest selling albums when they did new wavish stuff like Legs & Sharp Dressed Man. Van Halen's most popular song is Jump, which is more synth pop than hard rock. The synths continued when Sammy Hagar joined the group. The Pointer Sisters also had a big hits with I'm So Excited & Jump For My Love. Herbie Hancock is more known in the mainstream for Rockit than any of his acoustic piano records. 1980s gospel records had synths as well. Even acts like BB King, Ozzy Osbourne & Rush had some synth sounding songs. The popular smooth jazz of the 1980s also often had synths. Jermaine did a song with members of DEVO in 1983 before he was even involved with Victory. Some rap songs of the time and electrofunk was based on Kraftwerk, and they were doing it in the 1970s. It was just the sound that was popular on the radio.

Triumph all the way. I think Off The Wall = Destiny...Triumph = Thriller. It is really a fan preferance in sound. I perfer Triumph due to the experimentation especially in tracks like Your Ways, Heartbreak Hotel and Time Waitts For No One....standouts.

alphastreet said:

And actually, in a sense those bands using the sound led to those still being a staple on radio vs. being known for earlier output, while with Jackson's and the General consensus the opposite maybe true , that they had bigger hits and are remembered as a group for their music from 1980 and before, which in a sense adds value to their older material rather than being reduced to a few synth pop tracks like that of those bands.

The Jacksons as a group never really crossed over to Top 40 pop that much in the US. They were considered an R&B group, and that's where they got played the most. Nothing from Triumph made the Top 10 on the Hot 100. If you look at the pre-Thriller concerts in the US, the audience is generally different than the Victory Tour and Mike's solo concerts. The Jacksons didn't even have a greatest hits until 2004 unless you count the live album. So they're not going to be played the same way ZZ Top or Madonna 1980s hits will today in the mainstream. I've seen the Torture & 2300 Jackson Street videos played on VH-1 Soul occasionally. Every once in awhile the local Adult R&B station will even play The Hurt, which wasn't a single. But the only Jacksons song I hear on the station that plays pop hits from the 1970s to the 1990s is Shake Your Body. They play lots of Mike's solo hits though, mostly the Quincy Jones produced ones and Black Or White. The adult contemporary station plays You Are Not Alone.

MickyDolenz said:

paisleypark4 said:

SoulAlive said:

Really? I think Off The Wall is the greatest album ever recorded by anyone in the Jackson family.Imo,Triumph doesn't even come close

LightOfArt said:

My vote goes to Triumph. I think I prefer it over Off The Wall as well

I think it has a lot to do with Off The Wall being so over-played. I can't really listen to stuff like DSTYGE and Rock With You anymore...I do play Workin' Day And Night, Get On the Floor and the title track every now and then though.

Same problem with Thriller. That's why I'm more prone to The Jacksons material and MJ's 90s material for a long time.

paisleypark4 said:

Triumph all the way. I think Off The Wall = Destiny...Triumph = Thriller. It is really a fan preferance in sound. I perfer Triumph due to the experimentation especially in tracks like Your Ways, Heartbreak Hotel and Time Waitts For No One....standouts.

Agree with that analogy, they are very alike.Off The Wall and Destiny have a more organic sound to them vs Thriller and Triumph more electronic sounds. Your Ways is a great track, especially the ending part.

alphastreet said:

paisleypark4 said:

Triumph all the way. I think Off The Wall = Destiny...Triumph = Thriller. It is really a fan preferance in sound. I perfer Triumph due to the experimentation especially in tracks like Your Ways, Heartbreak Hotel and Time Waitts For No One....standouts.

I always thought the span of those 4 albums was a fabulous musical period for mj I'm totally a bad and dangerous fanatic too but there's such a calmness and minimalism about him on the earlier records that did not show up as much afterwards , but when they did experience some tranquility he captured it beautifully, probably reflective of what he went through emotionally after thriller [Edited 11/26/17 22:47pm]

Indeed especially in Destiny album. Thriller came along and fuck his artistic development a little bit, well it limited his artistic growth a little bit.

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MickyDolenz said:

Triumph is a fav of mine.. the last funky live feeling jacksons lp.

MD431Madcat said:

Triumph is a fav of mine.. the last funky live feeling jacksons lp.

This right here!

Interesting observations by Questlove about those albums https://www.instagram.com...=questlove

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