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http://chartmasters.org/2017/09/cspc-michael-jackson-popularity-analysis/ "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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I don't why Mike's kids had fans when he was alive, to the point that they were talking about keeping them away from the rest of the Jackson family. They still do that now. They were not in show business and there's paps hiding in the bushes trying to take pictures of them. Then again I've never understood the fascination in the USA with the British royal family. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I just know the album remained on the album chart for many consecutive years since it came out, including when Thriller was out. Didn't know how much it sold. I've read the The Beatles 1 album is the biggest selling album released in the 2000s. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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- 741 consecutive weeks and 45 million albums sold. 900 total weeks in the Billboard Top 200.
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- 741 consecutive weeks and 45 million albums sold. 900 total weeks in the Billboard Top 200.
Which album are these stats for? | |
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^Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd. |
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CynicKill said: ^Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd. Yep. From that chart masters website that was posted above 1973 – Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon – 55,796,000 -total cspc Breakdown of album sales for the world: The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) America US – 21,800,000 Canada – 2,575,000 Argentina – 450,000 Brazil – 600,000 Mexico – N/A Asia – 1,485,000 Japan – 850,000 Oceania Australia – 1,080,000 New Zealand – 255,000 Europe – 13,500,000 UK – 3,725,000 France – 1,725,000 Germany – 1,900,000 Italy – 2,000,000 Spain – 600,000 Sweden – 275,000 Netherlands – 450,000 Switzerland – N/A Austria – 200,000 Finland – N/A World – 43,300,000 | |
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purple05 said: CynicKill said: ^Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd. Yep. From that chart masters website that was posted above 1973 – Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon – 55,796,000 -total cspc Breakdown of album sales for the world: The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) America US – 21,800,000 Canada – 2,575,000 Argentina – 450,000 Brazil – 600,000 Mexico – N/A Asia – 1,485,000 Japan – 850,000 Oceania Australia – 1,080,000 New Zealand – 255,000 Europe – 13,500,000 UK – 3,725,000 France – 1,725,000 Germany – 1,900,000 Italy – 2,000,000 Spain – 600,000 Sweden – 275,000 Netherlands – 450,000 Switzerland – N/A Austria – 200,000 Finland – N/A World – 43,300,000 Still, it's pretty amazing that a largely non-commercial band like Pink Floyd has sold such a vast quantity of albums, let alone a single one. BTW, what constitutes as "Europe"? Is that the collective sales of every European nation outside of the ones specifically named or is it factoring in the sales of those countries (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, Austria and Finland) in addition to the unnamed European nations? [Edited 11/21/17 7:10am] | |
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MJ deserved the fame he received in the early 80s: I doubt I will ever see anything like that ever my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
2004-2008 demos: https://soundcloud.com/th...aradedemos |
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why did this thread turn into a comparison ??? MJ and Pink Floyd??? | |
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sales i guess. | |
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Yes, and some people seem to think that sales=quality, in other words, the more albums an artist sells, the better he is, so Michael Jackson must be the greatest of all times!!!!    But that would mean that acts like Link Wray or Betty Davis or André Williams would be less than Britney Spears or Beyonce or Rihanna. Fuck record sales. I don't give a shit about how popular an artist is. I don't give a fuck about how many records Wacko Jacko or Stink Floyd sold. I care about musicianship. Artistry. Creativity. | |
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Literally nobody in this topic said or even implied that "sales=quality" but whatever helps you cope. Deflecting from the point of the topic (as in trying to talk about so-called "artistry", "creativity" and the like as opposed to fame) still doesn't change the fact that Michael was a star of massive proportions and more than likely, a far bigger name than any of your preferred artists (and that includes Prince).
The sooner you come to terms with that truth, the better. [Edited 11/21/17 15:01pm] | |
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Yet you're looking at and posting in a thread about fame which means popularity You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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MotownSubdivision said:
Literally nobody in this topic said or even implied that "sales=quality" but whatever helps you cope. Deflecting from the point of the topic (as in trying to talk about so-called "artistry", "creativity" and the like as opposed to fame) still doesn't change the fact that Michael was a star of massive proportions and more than likely, a far bigger name than any of your preferred artists (and that includes Prince).
The sooner you come to terms with that truth, the better. [Edited 11/21/17 15:01pm] If you go back to the beginning of this thread (page 1 or 2, I can't remember), then you will see that I was one of the first who acknowledged that Jackson's fame was not overrated. He was famous allright. I just don't think that how famous an artist is says anything about how great he or she is as a musician. | |
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I don't think anyone in the US is gonna be acting like some do, in other parts of the world. He status dropped alot in the US in the 90's. He was the 5th best charting aritst in the US and 4th best in the world in the 80s. In the 90's he was 35th best charting in the US, and 12th best world wide. But his star rose in Asia big time in the 90's. In the 2000's a lot crazy behaviour and his court case also changed how people view him. Since his death however, I think he has recovered somewhat. Not with his own generation but with the yonger generations and those that follow. I suppose that it's how one rates his celebrity - is to how his fame is rated. He is pretty much a household name to anyone over the age of 15... | |
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I don't think anyone in the US is gonna be acting like some do, in other parts of the world. He status dropped alot in the US in the 90's. He was the 5th best charting aritst in the US and 4th best in the world in the 80s. In the 90's he was 35th best charting in the US, and 12th best world wide. But his star rose in Asia big time in the 90's. In the 2000's a lot crazy behaviour and his court case also changed how people view him. Since his death however, I think he has recovered somewhat. Not with his own generation but with the yonger generations and those that follow. I suppose that it's how one rates his celebrity - is to how his fame is rated. He is pretty much a household name to anyone over the age of 15... Also relative to his chart position he sold pretty well in all territories and toured stadiums worldwide | |
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The Colli The Rolling Stones also tour stadiums worldwide. Just like U2. Or Bruce Springsteen. | |
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all depends, art/commerce have an uneasy relation, always have, most of the time I'd guess, the most popular has some kind of artistic merit, emphasis on "most" there has been plenty of garbage that sold and sells. In MJ's case, I think it's safe to say that his best albums are at least on par with the best of his genre, rock/pop/soul or however you care to classify it. As works of art, i probably wouldn't put anything he did on a level with the beatles but as far as songwriting, catchy songs, great production, hell ya, he's definitely at the top with the best, and i believe underrated as an artist because he was so subversive about things. | |
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my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
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I don't think anyone was really comparing MJ and Pink Floyd, just discussing how both have had longevity on the charts. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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No, an artist's fame doesn't say how great they are as an artist. However, while Mike wasn't a instrumentalist or a musician in the traditional sense, he still was very much the driving force in the creative process of his music. He didn't do everything or nearly everything himself but he was still very much an artist; he simply had his own unique way of making music. | |
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alot of people will miss that, they'll see how little he could do with an instrument and conclude he wasn't an artist. not true, never was, sinatra couldn't play or write and he's regarded as a helluva artist, Elvis would joke that he only knew 3 chords and it wasn't far from the truth but he was a helluva artist, MJ has those two fine artists easily beat in the songwriting end and although frank and E had a hand in their sound, MJ actually composed the musical parts whereas, elvis and frank would give directions rather than write the part for a musician.
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MotownSubdivision said: purple05 said: Yep. From that chart masters website that was posted above 1973 – Pink Floyd – The Dark Side of the Moon – 55,796,000 -total cspc Breakdown of album sales for the world: The Dark Side of the Moon (1973) America US – 21,800,000 -Canada – 2,575,000 -Argentina – 450,000 -Brazil – 600,000 -Mexico – N/A Asia – 1,485,000 -Japan – 850,000 Oceania -Australia – 1,080,000 -New Zealand – 255,000 Europe – 13,500,000 -UK – 3,725,000 -France – 1,725,000 -Germany – 1,900,000 -Italy – 2,000,000 -Spain – 600,000 -Sweden – 275,000 Netherlands – 450,000 Switzerland – N/A Austria – 200,000 Finland – N/A World – 43,300,000 Still, it's pretty amazing that a largely non-commercial band like Pink Floyd has sold such a vast quantity of albums, let alone a single one. BTW, what constitutes as "Europe"? Is that the collective sales of every European nation outside of the ones specifically named or is it factoring in the sales of those countries (UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, Austria and Finland) in addition to the unnamed European nations? [Edited 11/21/17 7:10am] I'm sorry that information didn't transfer over well on this dated site. Europe is all European nations including the ones listed. Their next most successful album is 'The Wall'. They're probably the only artist besideMJ that has two 30+ million sellers. I think MJ has 3(Thriller, BAD & Dangerous) The Wall (1979) America -US – 14,100,000 -Canada – 1,850,000 -Argentina – 300,000 -Brazil – N/A -Mexico – N/A Asia – 950,000 -Japan – 475,000 Oceania -Australia – 800,000 -New Zealand – 235,000 Europe – 11,470,000 -UK – 1,750,000 -France – 1,535,000 -Germany – 2,475,000 -Italy – 1,450,000 -Spain – 675,000 -Sweden – 350,000 -Netherlands – 425,000 -Switzerland – N/A -Austria – 225,000 -Finland – N/A World – 31,300,000 [Edited 11/21/17 16:01pm] | |
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The Rolling Stones also tour stadiums worldwide. Just like U2. Or Bruce Springsteen. The colli? Huh you must post in that site lol Yes those acts do but they don't tour to the extent of MJ(Asia, Oceania, South & Central America). [Edited 11/21/17 15:59pm] | |
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purple05 said: NorthC said: The Colli The Rolling Stones also tour stadiums worldwide. Just like U2. Or Bruce Springsteen. The colli? Huh you must post in that site lol Yes those acts do but they don't tour to the extent of MJ(Asia, Oceania, South & Central America). [Edited 11/21/17 15:59pm] The Rolling Stone toured South America. They gave the first ever free concert in Cuba. So what are you trying to say here? | |
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PeteSilas said: alot of people will miss that, they'll see how little he could do with an instrument and conclude he wasn't an artist. not true, never was, sinatra couldn't play or write and he's regarded as a helluva artist, Elvis would joke that he only knew 3 chords and it wasn't far from the truth but he was a helluva artist, MJ has those two fine artists easily beat in the songwriting end and although frank and E had a hand in their sound, MJ actually composed the musical parts whereas, elvis and frank would give directions rather than write the part for a musician.
People don't understand that in order to be a great singer you have to have a pretty good ear and have musicianship. | |
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purple05 said: PeteSilas said: alot of people will miss that, they'll see how little he could do with an instrument and conclude he wasn't an artist. not true, never was, sinatra couldn't play or write and he's regarded as a helluva artist, Elvis would joke that he only knew 3 chords and it wasn't far from the truth but he was a helluva artist, MJ has those two fine artists easily beat in the songwriting end and although frank and E had a hand in their sound, MJ actually composed the musical parts whereas, elvis and frank would give directions rather than write the part for a musician.
People don't understand that in order to be a great singer you have to have a pretty good ear and have musicianship. I see you like to argue. Go look at the venues & countries MJ played throughout the world and look at RS. It can be easily searched by google. | |
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Yep, someone said Thriller had the longest run. I knew Dark Side Of The Moon was on the Billboard chart for years. There is a sort of another connection. Mike was in The Wiz and some people play Pink Floyd's album while watching the Judy Garland Wizard Of Oz movie. It's supposed to line up to stuff happening in the film or something. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Untouchable!!!
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