MickyDolenz said:

Dakarai said:

Who said anything about conscious rap? They just said shit that isn't ignorant. 90s had plenty of popular music that wasn't ignorant, be it conscious or "party", whatever you want to call it. Going back to my favorite year of 1991, rap charts had everything from Tribe, to LL, to Public Enemy, to KMD, to Kid n Play. This was stuff that was on the radio and charting high. Where are you getting this information from?

The Hot 100 is the pop chart, not the rap chart. They're 2 different charts. Hot 100 is the mainstream chart and the hip hop chart is a sub chart. I said nothing about the rap chart and the article is not about the rap chart. I listened to pop radio, so I know what they played and I also used to read Billboard every week.

The beauty of the 90s was popular stations with top 40 formats weren't the only thing around until a certain corporation changed that in the late 90s. That meant more stations with more variety which meant what? More balance. You look at a collective like the native tounges (which one doesn't even exist today) and most of the major acts from the group had a good amount of mainstream success, with Tribe even landing a #1 album on the Billboard 200.

Dakarai said:

You can listen to the song until your ears fall off. That doesn't mean the content of the song and others like it today isn't ignorant.

Again, if it's ignorant, what's it to you? If you don't like it, then don't buy it. If other people like "ignorant" music, then that's their business. People are not going to listen to stuff they don't like just because it's on the radio. I've heard D'Angelo & Keith Sweat on the radio. I didn't like it, so I turned the station when they came on. With Youtube, people have to actually search for what they listen to. So it's not passive like the radio or MTV, where someone else is playing something and the listener has no choice in the matter. That's why Billboard counts streaming in their chart criteria now, because that's the replacement for buying a single. Although a few physical singles are still released today, for the most part, labels discontinued releasing those in the 1990s. So people can't buy a single for songs played on the radio. They either have to buy the entire album or a download. Many people don't or can't pay for a download. So they download it for free, or they stream it.

MickyDolenz said:

Dakarai said:

You can listen to the song until your ears fall off. That doesn't mean the content of the song and others like it today isn't ignorant.

Again, if it's ignorant, what's it to you? If you don't like it, then don't buy it. If other people like "ignorant" music, then that's their business. People are not going to listen to stuff they don't like just because it's on the radio. I've heard D'Angelo & Keith Sweat on the radio. I didn't like it, so I turned the station when they came on. With Youtube, people have to actually search for what they listen to. So it's not passive like the radio or MTV, where someone else is playing something and the listener has no choice in the matter. That's why Billboard counts streaming in their chart criteria now, because that's the replacement for buying a single. Although a few physical singles are still released today, for the most part, labels discontinued releasing those in the 1990s. So people can't buy a single for songs played on the radio. They either have to buy the entire album or a download. Many people don't or can't pay for a download. So they download it for free, or they stream it.

You keep trying to make it about policing what people like. The same way you have a right to your opinion and to listen to it, I can comment on it and call it ignorant. That doesn't mean you can go around saying there has never been a balance on the radio. A lot of things changed after CC took over. That is a fact.

I don't about Cardi B but she is turning into MonoNeon's muse. The groove sounds like something Prince would've gave to the Time.

StrangeButTrue said:

I just listened to this historic "1st since someone else was 1st" and this is worrisome, this is what happens after years of defunding music education. Idk u guys I haven't felt dumber for listening to a song like that in a minute.

Thanks, thought I was alone. Don't know what I was expecting when I asked a 5th grader about her favorite singer. Had to google her to educate myself and ended up.... well never mind

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StrangeButTrue said:

Interesting how the 1st Female Rapper who wasn't Cardi B. to Hit No. 1 On Billboard Hot 100 has lyrics describing how not to be a hoe while Cardi's is the antithesis. Go Women!?

Ex:

"Plus, when you give it up so easy you ain't even foolin' him
If you did it then, then you'd probably fuck again
Talking out your neck, sayin' you're a Christian
A Muslim, sleeping with the jinn
Now that was the sin that did Jezebel in
Who you gon' tell when the repercussions spin?"

vs.

"My pussy feel like a lake
He wanna swim with his face
I'm like okay
I'll let him do what he want
He buy me Yves Saint Laurent
And the new whip
When I go fast as a horse
I got the trunk in the front"

[Edited 9/28/17 7:37am]

MickyDolenz said:

stpaisios said:

Bitches this, Bitches that bla-bla-bla

Tsk, Tsk, don't even try it... his musical canon and content goes much deeper than this one title/song; does her's so far?

StrangeButTrue said:

MickyDolenz said:

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These videos made me sad, Mick. You're a trick bitch if you dig this monkey sensation shit. She talks like an idiot and looks like she smells like a dick. See I can speak the language but its still corny and childish. Maybe that is where we are at in society. The other day there was some video link saying like "watch this adorable 6 year old cover bodak yellow" who wants to watch kindergardeners rap about hoes and cutting bitches

And it's so real. I don't think people truly understand how truly pervasive this is and how it's not just a couple random youtube videos. Thank you because I thought I was alone.

Maybe there is hope for hip-hop. Cardi B needs to watch out for this up and coming Queen.

https://mic.com/articles/185510/brazils-mc-soffia-is-a-13-year-old-rapper-who-makes-rhymes-to-empower-black-girls#.bRSlFTQTm

https://youtu.be/cbOG2HS1WKo

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I can't blame her. It's the industry that pushed her (and many others) through to the mainstream, resulting in the "ratchet/thot" movement (yes, I say with a taste of vomit in my mouth, MOVEMENT) we see today. It'll last as long as the consumer supports it and/or the "artists" tire of their own gimmicky schtick. All I got.

Even you Mille my dear?

This is called "success"? To me, what the thread title says is "Cardi B: 1st Female Rapper Good Enough To Hit No. 1 By Herself on Billboard Hot 100 In Almost Two Decades".

If this is good enough or the best we got, the gubmint needs to increase funding for the arts in public education

Cardi B Makes History With First Three Top 10s on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs Chart
11/10/2017 by Trevor Anderson Billboard

The rapper becomes the first woman to land her first three hits in the chart's top 10 simultaneously.

Cardi B's breakthrough year keeps getting bigger, and now the rapper has earned a historic first on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart: She becomes the first woman to chart her first three entries on the list in the top 10 simultaneously.

On the Nov. 18-dated chart, the Bronx native's former six-week No. 1, "Bodak Yellow (Money Moves)," holds at No. 2, while she debuts at No. 5 with "Motorsport," a collaboration with Migos and Nicki Minaj. The latter opens at No. 2 on the R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Song Sales chart with 37,000 downloads sold in the week ending Nov. 2, according to Nielsen Music. "Motorsport" also leaps onto R&B/Hip-Hop Streaming Songs at No. 8, clocking 19.8 million U.S. streams in the same frame, and jumps 33-18 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, rising 93 percent in audience to 11 million for the week ending Nov. 5.

One more: "No Limit," G-Eazy's track with features from Cardi and A$AP Rocky, closes out the female MC's trifecta on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs with an 11-10 step. The song pushes 12-9 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay (19 million in audience, up 20 percent) and 14-12 on R&B/Hip-Hop Streaming Songs (12.7 million, up 12 percent), although it retreats 4-7 on R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Song Sales (15,000, down 15 percent).

In addition to being the first woman to see her first three Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs hits occupy the top 10 at once, Cardi is the first artist overall to do so since Fetty Wap in 2015. That year, his "Trap Queen," "My Way" (featuring Monty) and "679" (featuring Remy Boyz) all shared space in the region for 13 consecutive weeks.

The triple play also makes Cardi B one of only six women to post three simultaneous top 10s at any point in her career. She joins Ashanti, who started the club in 2002, Minaj, Iggy Azalea, Beyonce and Rihanna.

MickyDolenz said:

Cardi B Makes History With First Three Top 10s on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs Chart
11/10/2017 by Trevor Anderson Billboard

The rapper becomes the first woman to land her first three hits in the chart's top 10 simultaneously.

Cardi B's breakthrough year keeps getting bigger, and now the rapper has earned a historic first on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart: She becomes the first woman to chart her first three entries on the list in the top 10 simultaneously.

On the Nov. 18-dated chart, the Bronx native's former six-week No. 1, "Bodak Yellow (Money Moves)," holds at No. 2, while she debuts at No. 5 with "Motorsport," a collaboration with Migos and Nicki Minaj. The latter opens at No. 2 on the R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Song Sales chart with 37,000 downloads sold in the week ending Nov. 2, according to Nielsen Music. "Motorsport" also leaps onto R&B/Hip-Hop Streaming Songs at No. 8, clocking 19.8 million U.S. streams in the same frame, and jumps 33-18 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, rising 93 percent in audience to 11 million for the week ending Nov. 5.

One more: "No Limit," G-Eazy's track with features from Cardi and A$AP Rocky, closes out the female MC's trifecta on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs with an 11-10 step. The song pushes 12-9 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay (19 million in audience, up 20 percent) and 14-12 on R&B/Hip-Hop Streaming Songs (12.7 million, up 12 percent), although it retreats 4-7 on R&B/Hip-Hop Digital Song Sales (15,000, down 15 percent).

In addition to being the first woman to see her first three Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs hits occupy the top 10 at once, Cardi is the first artist overall to do so since Fetty Wap in 2015. That year, his "Trap Queen," "My Way" (featuring Monty) and "679" (featuring Remy Boyz) all shared space in the region for 13 consecutive weeks.

The triple play also makes Cardi B one of only six women to post three simultaneous top 10s at any point in her career. She joins Ashanti, who started the club in 2002, Minaj, Iggy Azalea, Beyonce and Rihanna.

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Aw remember Ashanti, people were really convinced that she could sing.

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Just like Cardi B. Ashanti also made her first hit by basically rewriting/ripping off other songs. Her contribution to the remix of J.Lo's "Aint It Funny" which rips off Flava In Your Ear and of course Foolish/Unfoolish which rips off One More Chance.

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From Wikipedia: While reviewing the original "Ain't It Funny", Billboard's Chuck Taylor said of the remix release, "Sony has got to be kidding, calling it "Ain't it Funny" when not one note of it is held in common with the original. It's a disturbing trend, but one that will surely push J.Lo to a new high."

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Years later Cardi mastered that distrubing trend with Bodak Yellow. Simply historic.

RodeoSchro said:

To me, what the thread title says is "Cardi B: 1st Female Rapper Good Enough To Hit No. 1 By Herself on Billboard Hot 100 In Almost Two Decades".

I wouldn't say that is it. It's just female rappers have rarely became popular or get the same amount of promotion. It's generally only 1 or 2 of them at a time that become popular. Salt N Pepa didn't have much competition in their heyday. Most rappers are guys, just like most heavy metal acts are men. Female metal bands or ones with a female singer don't get promoted and the most of the metal audience don't buy their music. Rap, rock n roll, & metal in general is a macho thing. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, few women were played, maybe Pat Benatar and Fleetwood Mac.

MickyDolenz said:

RodeoSchro said:

To me, what the thread title says is "Cardi B: 1st Female Rapper Good Enough To Hit No. 1 By Herself on Billboard Hot 100 In Almost Two Decades".

I wouldn't say that is it. It's just female rappers have rarely became popular or get the same amount of promotion. It's generally only 1 or 2 of them at a time that become popular. Salt N Pepa didn't have much competition in their heyday. Most rappers are guys, just like most heavy metal acts are men. Female metal bands or ones with a female singer don't get promoted and the most of the metal audience don't buy their music. Rap, rock n roll, & metal in general is a macho thing. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, few women were played, maybe Pat Benatar and Fleetwood Mac.

Could be, I'm not up on rap. I don't know many female rappers - maybe Nicki Minaj; Iggy Azaelea? Are neither of those strong enough to have a #1 without help? What do you think?

StrangeButTrue said:

From Wikipedia: While reviewing the original "Ain't It Funny", Billboard's Chuck Taylor said of the remix release, "Sony has got to be kidding, calling it "Ain't it Funny" when not one note of it is held in common with the original.

A remix doesn't have to sound like the original. That's why it's called a remix

StrangeButTrue said:

Just like Cardi B. Ashanti also made her first hit by basically rewriting/ripping off other songs. Her contribution to the remix of J.Lo's "Aint It Funny" which rips off Flava In Your Ear and of course Foolish/Unfoolish which rips off One More Chance.

How is that ripping off, when using other songs has been a part of hip hop since the beginning. The DJ would take disco & funk records and scratch/mix the "break" part to extend it and MCs rapped over it. At Sugarhill Records, they had a house band who would replay music from other songs.

RodeoSchro said:

MickyDolenz said:

I wouldn't say that is it. It's just female rappers have rarely became popular or get the same amount of promotion. It's generally only 1 or 2 of them at a time that become popular. Salt N Pepa didn't have much competition in their heyday. Most rappers are guys, just like most heavy metal acts are men. Female metal bands or ones with a female singer don't get promoted and the most of the metal audience don't buy their music. Rap, rock n roll, & metal in general is a macho thing. When there used to be Album Oriented Rock radio stations, few women were played, maybe Pat Benatar and Fleetwood Mac.

Could be, I'm not up on rap. I don't know many female rappers - maybe Nicki Minaj; Iggy Azaelea? Are neither of those strong enough to have a #1 without help? What do you think?

It's sexism at its finest all it is.

paisleypark4 said:

It's sexism at its finest all it is.

I think that's why some guys like the rock press tend to put down music that has a large female audience like Top 40 pop music, adult contemporary, dance music, Lilith Fair type acts, teen idol singers, easy listening, romantic music like Julio Iglesias, etc. Same with movies & TV like soap operas & "chick flicks".

I finally heard Bodak Yellow...


Its unfortunate that Cardi B(with that song) is the first female rapper to hit # 1 on the billboard 100.

JoeyC said: