peedub said:

tha fuck? the absence of logic from certain parties in this thread is genuinely astounding.

mjscarousal said:

Whats astounding is that yall trash legendary artists but then bitch and whine when someone constructively critque today's mediocre pop music, that is what is astounding, especially on a PRINCE site.

who'sa?...what'sa?....yer?...huh?


'The problem is todays music is shit and they rely on controversy and drama to sell records instead of quality music, those are the facts.'

...constructive criticism...

legends what?

your utterly ridiculous generalizations and...and...fuck it.

you are incoherent. kindly proclaim your triumph in your next post and start your next 'stan this...' or 'jackson that...' or 'jay z is the white devil illuminati' thread so we can start fresh.

peedub said:

mjscarousal said:

Whats astounding is that yall trash legendary artists but then bitch and whine when someone constructively critque today's mediocre pop music, that is what is astounding, especially on a PRINCE site.

who'sa?...what'sa?....yer?...huh?


'The problem is todays music is shit and they rely on controversy and drama to sell records instead of quality music, those are the facts.'

...constructive criticism...

legends what?

your utterly ridiculous generalizations and...and...fuck it.

you are incoherent. kindly proclaim your triumph in your next post and start your next 'stan this...' or 'jackson that...' or 'jay z is the white devil illuminati' thread so we can start fresh.

LOL And you think this crap you wrote above is coherent? Calm down dear, its going to be okay.

mjscarousal said:

Adele sells so much because her music is universal and she has a broad fan base.

Adele has high streaming numbers too.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7423908/adele-25-streaming-top-10-billboard-200

When you sell millions of records like that, you are not just appealing to one target audience.

Adele has high youtube numbers, her Hello video broke a record and she is not even a video artist.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/10/27/adeles-hello-video-sets-a-new-first-day-record-on-vevo/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

She got two number one hit singles from both albums.

And Hello was the first song to sell 1 million in just a week

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6746355/adele-hello-no-1-hot-100-debut-one-million-downloads-week

She is obviously not just popular with old people.

Neither I nor the article I referenced said Adele is only popular with old people. Just that older people make up a large part of her fanbase and that's a big reason why her sales numbers are inflated.

sexton said:

mjscarousal said:

Adele sells so much because her music is universal and she has a broad fan base.

Adele has high streaming numbers too.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7423908/adele-25-streaming-top-10-billboard-200

When you sell millions of records like that, you are not just appealing to one target audience.

Adele has high youtube numbers, her Hello video broke a record and she is not even a video artist.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2015/10/27/adeles-hello-video-sets-a-new-first-day-record-on-vevo/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

She got two number one hit singles from both albums.

And Hello was the first song to sell 1 million in just a week

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6746355/adele-hello-no-1-hot-100-debut-one-million-downloads-week

She is obviously not just popular with old people.

Neither I nor the article I referenced said Adele is only popular with old people. Just that older people make up a large part of her fanbase and that's a big reason why her sales numbers are inflated.

Based on the numbers above, Adele has universal appeal and reaches wider audiences that is why she is able sell, not necessarily because older people make up a large portion of her fanbase which you did imply.

mjscarousal said:

Whats astounding is that yall trash legendary artists but then bitch and whine when someone constructively critque today's mediocre pop music, that is what is astounding, especially on a PRINCE site.

What is astounding is that you have no idea of the difference between subjectivity and objectivity:
{you can't prove that today's music is shitty, but you can prove that today's album sales are down};
that you insist upon thinking correlation proves causation: {low album sales of today's music does
not necessarily mean that it's because of being of an inferior quality/type}; and that you continue to
deem your bloviation on this matter as being "constructive critiques". You have not provided any
"proof" that today's music is inferior to yesterday's music outside of highlighting what you simply
prefer. So, I honestly think that you simply do not understand the arguments against your own; that
you don't grasp what distinguishes subjective claims from those that are objective; that you don't
understand that correlation does not imply causation, and that's why you think what you've offered
in this thread, in a site you've deemed shitty, has been a "constructive critique".

Nobody in this thread has trashed any legendary artist, and even if they did, so the fuck what? Just
because you're a "legend" doesn't mean you are above reproach.

Dasein said:

mjscarousal said:

Whats astounding is that yall trash legendary artists but then bitch and whine when someone constructively critque today's mediocre pop music, that is what is astounding, especially on a PRINCE site.

What is astounding is that you have no idea of the difference between subjectivity and objectivity:
{you can't prove that today's music is shitty, but you can prove that today's album sales are down};
that you insist upon thinking correlation proves causation: {low album sales of today's music does
not necessarily mean that it's because of being of an inferior quality/type}; and that you continue to
deem your bloviation on this matter as being "constructive critiques". You have not provided any
"proof" that today's music is inferior to yesterday's music outside of highlighting what you simply
prefer. So, I honestly think that you simply do not understand the arguments against your own; that
you don't grasp what distinguishes subjective claims from those that are objective; that you don't
understand that correlation does not imply causation, and that's why you think what you've offered
in this thread, in a site you've deemed shitty, has been a "constructive critique".

Nobody in this thread has trashed any legendary artist, and even if they did, so the fuck what? Just
because you're a "legend" doesn't mean you are above reproach.

The main issue for the anger is that streaming services like YouTube and Spotify pay huge amounts of money every year to the majors and an organisation called Merlin that represent indie labels - basically, adrev money - and this money is NOT passed on to the acts. Their deals are covered by non-disclosure agreements and these NDA deals are not referenced in any artist contract. This explains why you have whole albums up on one "video" on YouTube - the labels don't care, they have their money, YouTube can do what they want with the music.

However, if you do see an artist speaking out in support of a streaming service, you can bet that they're getting a backhander from their label. In fact, it's been rumoured for a while that Bono and Quincy Jones own equity in Spotify, which would explain their pro-Spotify stance.

I also feel that this behind closed doors deal between YouTube and WB is the main reason for Prince's anti-streaming stance. Basically, he wasn't seeing any of that adrev money from WB. Getting his masters back would mean ownership of catalogue, giving him a strong position to try and do a similar direct deal with YouTube. Conjecture of course, but it adds up...