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PrintableEssence said: Supernova said: Essence said: Supernova said: Moonbeam said: I'll never agree, but I respect your opinion.
Translation: You're right, I'm not that familiar with Aretha's Atlantic material outside of some hit singles here and there.  To be fair if you don't like the sound of something on first few listens you aren't likely to go play all the albums several times over or a big old boxset in the name of thorough research before opinion. But it's not about playing all the albums to form an opinion, it's about being familiar with a recording artist outside of the radio limited hit singles, or the latter day image said artist presents. I'm sure some people base their opinion of Prince on nothing but "Purple Rain," "Raspberry Beret," "Kiss," "1999," "Cream," "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World," and "Little Red Corvette" too, but it's not an opinion that grasps the full or accurate picture of Prince's work either. I don't own every Miles Davis album he ever released so far, but I own enough to know his impact inside of and outside of the jazz genre makes him a Mount Rushmore Artist. Well while I agree with you in theory, not many people think outside the box, you dig the radio singles in the mainstream and then graduate to the LPs and the rare sides. If you don't like the "hits" your unlikely to want to spend the time exploring deeper. That goes for Prince and the Queen Of Soul. Sure, I agree with that. But to say they're overrated based on a not being that familiar with them is where you leap before looking. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Essence said: Supernova said: Essence said: Supernova said: Moonbeam said: I'll never agree, but I respect your opinion.
Translation: You're right, I'm not that familiar with Aretha's Atlantic material outside of some hit singles here and there. To be fair if you don't like the sound of something on first few listens you aren't likely to go play all the albums several times over or a big old boxset in the name of thorough research before opinion. But it's not about playing all the albums to form an opinion, it's about being familiar with a recording artist outside of the radio limited hit singles, or the latter day image said artist presents. I'm sure some people base their opinion of Prince on nothing but "Purple Rain," "Raspberry Beret," "Kiss," "1999," "Cream," "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World," and "Little Red Corvette" too, but it's not an opinion that grasps the full or accurate picture of Prince's work either. I don't own every Miles Davis album he ever released so far, but I own enough to know his impact inside of and outside of the jazz genre makes him a Mount Rushmore Artist. Well while I agree with you in theory, not many people think outside the box, you dig the radio singles in the mainstream and then graduate to the LPs and the rare sides. If you don't like the "hits" your unlikely to want to spend the time exploring deeper. That goes for Prince and the Queen Of Soul. Sure, I agree with that. But to say they're overrated based on a not being that familiar with them is where you leap before looking. It's a tough one though, how much research sould be done before your allowed a critical opinion? Must I remain neutral on Britney Spears until I own all her albums and play them back to back for a weekend?  | |
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I apologize for getting under people's skin.  That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. | |
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Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... | |
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Essence said: It's a tough one though, how much research sould be done before your allowed a critical opinion? Must I remain neutral on Britney Spears until I own all her albums and play them back to back for a weekend?
I don't think anyone's calling Britney the "Queen" of any type of musical genre, or painting her as one of the greats. You're interpreting what I'm saying as "research," that's not it at all. But if by going beyond what is traditionally played as radio singles, sure, do some research. Both me and Maxxx have already stated what should be done if one wants a clearer picture. This goes for any artist who's been around for a while. I repeat; if someone doesn't like what they hear, that's cool, music IS subjective that's not what this is about - but to dismiss an artist's influence and impact (which is partly where Aretha's title comes from) just because one doesn't like what he/she hears isn't seeing the forest for the trees. I'm not a big fan of Little Richard's music - but I know he's one of Rock music's pioneers and the genre would be VERY different without him. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. | |
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Supernova said: Essence said: It's a tough one though, how much research sould be done before your allowed a critical opinion? Must I remain neutral on Britney Spears until I own all her albums and play them back to back for a weekend?
I don't think anyone's calling Britney the "Queen" of any type of musical genre, or painting her as one of the greats. You're interpreting what I'm saying as "research," that's not it at all. But if by going beyond what is traditionally played as radio singles, sure, do some research. Both me and Maxxx have already stated what should be done if one wants a clearer picture. This goes for any artist who's been around for a while. I repeat; if someone doesn't like what they hear, that's cool, music IS subjective that's not what this is about - but to dismiss an artist's influence and impact (which is partly where Aretha's title comes from) just because one doesn't like what he/she hears isn't seeing the forest for the trees. I'm not a big fan of Little Richard's music - but I know he's one of Rock music's pioneers and the genre would be VERY different without him. Right, it's about R-E-S-P-E-C-T where it's due at the end of the day and Moonbeam showed none.  hehe | |
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Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Firstly, you have nothing to apologize for. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you need to apologize. Secondly, both of the things you pointed out aren't true. From the material I'm talking about - which is where her title comes from, it seems to me she wrote about 50% of her songs, arranged the vocals, and played piano on everything at that time. I stopped listening after about 1975 because her label tried to get her to become some type of Disco Diva, and her music suffered for it. This was even before her going to Arista Records - which is where Clive Davis screwed that up and I basically have no use for that music either. I don't think of female issues when I hear "Rock Steady" or "The House That Jack Built," etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only.
Bonnie Raitt, Paula Cole, Dusty Springfield, and Jerry Wexler, among others would disagree with that. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Moonbeam said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. Your line of reasoning does seem a little suspect as regards this area yes. But if you get a vibe off Aretha or anyone else that they aren't singing in a way you can relate to it's cool I guess, gets a little awkward when a direct explanation for that feeling is verbally attempted. | |
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Essence said: Moonbeam said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. Your line of reasoning does seem a little suspect as regards this area yes. But if you get a vibe off Aretha or anyone else that they aren't singing in a way you can relate to it's cool I guess, gets a little awkward when a direct explanation for that feeling is verbally attempted. Also the "didnt't write her songs" argument is a little strange when you count Janet, Aaliyah and Kylie amongst your favourites... | |
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Essence said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. Your line of reasoning does seem a little suspect as regards this area yes. But if you get a vibe off Aretha or anyone else that they aren't singing in a way you can relate to it's cool I guess, gets a little awkward when a direct explanation for that feeling is verbally attempted. Also the "didnt't write her songs" argument is a little strange when you count Janet, Aaliyah and Kylie amongst your favourites... I'm not claiming that any of them is the queen of soul, either.
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Supernova said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Firstly, you have nothing to apologize for. Just because we disagree doesn't mean you need to apologize. Secondly, both of the things you pointed out aren't true. From the material I'm talking about - which is where her title comes from, it seems to me she wrote about 50% of her songs, arranged the vocals, and played piano on everything at that time. I stopped listening after about 1975 because her label tried to get her to become some type of Disco Diva, and her music suffered for it. This was even before her going to Arista Records - which is where Clive Davis screwed that up and I basically have no use for that music either. I don't think of female issues when I hear "Rock Steady" or "The House That Jack Built," etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only.
Bonnie Raitt, Paula Cole, Dusty Springfield, and Jerry Wexler, among others would disagree with that. The songs that are legendary by her (unless there are some that I don't know) all seem to be written by others. Of course, I'm getting this information from allmusic.com, which you have shown isn't accurate all of the time, so I could be wrong. | |
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Moonbeam said: All I'm doing is angering people, so I'll stop posting. Sorry, everyone!
Please do not apologize for having an opinion Moonbeam! I feel Aretha, is not the Queen of soul either. I understand and respect the influence she has had or still does, and I DO own a few of her cds. "Queen of Soul" is nothing more than what Michael Jackson is called, "King of Pop". An opinion created by the masses. Not an official title by any means! IN MY OPINION Mahailia is the Queen of soul. I wouldn't go as far as comparing Annie to Aretha though. But, I think what needs to be asked is what defines "Soul" to each individual. If Annie Lennox speaks to Moonbeam's soul, then it would make sense why he feels that she should be. Aretha speaks to people of all genres, colours, and creeds. Then there was the VH1 Divas thing...not to get far off topic, but that moniker was all over the damn place. And at the end of the show, it was nothing more than a shoutting match. Aretha is in a catagory of legends and icons; no one is denying that. But I don't understand why other people are made to feel they're wrong or naive becausethey don't agree with the majority. | |
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Moonbeam said: Essence said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. Your line of reasoning does seem a little suspect as regards this area yes. But if you get a vibe off Aretha or anyone else that they aren't singing in a way you can relate to it's cool I guess, gets a little awkward when a direct explanation for that feeling is verbally attempted. Also the "didnt't write her songs" argument is a little strange when you count Janet, Aaliyah and Kylie amongst your favourites... I'm not claiming that any of them is the queen of soul, either.
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XXX said: Moonbeam said: All I'm doing is angering people, so I'll stop posting. Sorry, everyone!
Please do not apologize for having an opinion Moonbeam! I feel Aretha, is not the Queen of soul either. I understand and respect the influence she has had or still does, and I DO own a few of her cds. "Queen of Soul" is nothing more than what Michael Jackson is called, "King of Pop". An opinion created by the masses. Not an official title by any means! IN MY OPINION Mahailia is the Queen of soul. I wouldn't go as far as comparing Annie to Aretha though. But, I think what needs to be asked is what defines "Soul" to each individual. If Annie Lennox speaks to Moonbeam's soul, then it would make sense why he feels that she should be. Aretha speaks to people of all genres, colours, and creeds. Then there was the VH1 Divas thing...not to get far off topic, but that moniker was all over the damn place. And at the end of the show, it was nothing more than a shoutting match. Aretha is in a catagory of legends and icons; no one is denying that. But I don't understand why other people are made to feel they're wrong or naive becausethey don't agree with the majority. Thanks for that. I'm not apologizing for my opinion, just that I've seemed to upset some people here. Annie Lennox isn't the queen of soul either, but I feel her music speaks to everyone- it isn't specific to a gender (she played with gender roles a LOT), race (she gets a lot of respect among black artists as well), sexuality (she has a huge gay following), etc. I certainly have a personal connection to her music, so she touches my soul. | |
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Essence said: Moonbeam said: Essence said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: Essence said: Moonbeam said: I apologize for getting under people's skin.
That wasn't my intent. In any case, I admit I don't know much about Aretha Franklin. However, I do know this.
Aretha didn't write her songs, at least not the ones that people adore so much like "Respect," etc. Also, the songs I know are all about specifically female issues. Now, that might make her a "queen" of soul, but I think artists whose message is more universal are more worthy of that title. I hate to always refer to her as an example because she's not the queen of soul, but Annie Lennox's music speaks to people of all genders, races, etc. What I know of Aretha Franklin seems to primarily be the voice of black women only. There is no argument that Aretha Franklin has an incredibly powerful voice and deserves to be a legend based on that alone. However, to consider her the zenith of female musicians is off the mark, in my opinion, because there are plenty of women who write their own music and lyrics, play instruments, and have a voice that reaches beyond gender/race lines. I may be revealing my paltry knowledge of Aretha's catalog on that last point. If anyone can think of songs that can speak to anyone, please let me know and I'll check them out. Hmmm, if you could list some Aretha songs which speak solely and exclusively to "black women" first... I know "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman" can speak for women in general, but with album titles like "Young, Gifted and Black" it seems like she's targeting a primarily black audience. Again, I'm revealing my ignorance here. Your line of reasoning does seem a little suspect as regards this area yes. But if you get a vibe off Aretha or anyone else that they aren't singing in a way you can relate to it's cool I guess, gets a little awkward when a direct explanation for that feeling is verbally attempted. Also the "didnt't write her songs" argument is a little strange when you count Janet, Aaliyah and Kylie amongst your favourites... I'm not claiming that any of them is the queen of soul, either.
I wasn't supposed to post on this thread anymore- oops! Fair enough but you did list not writing her songs as a reason for being overrated no? That's because Aretha is rated as the greatest female artist of all time, though. Kylie, Janet and Aaliyah aren't anywhere near that status. Janet and Kylie write a lot of their own stuff too. I don't mind when artists don't write their own material (generally), but to be hailed as the most important female artist ever, she should write her own songs. Supernova has pointed out, however, that she does write some of her material. | |
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XXX said:[quote] Moonbeam said: "Queen of Soul" is nothing more than what Michael Jackson is called, "King of Pop". An opinion created by the masses.
Let's stick to apples and apples here: Liz Taylor called Mike that, and Mike took it and ran with it by telling eMpTV to refer to him as such. It snowballed from there. Not a good analogy. But I don't understand why other people are made to feel they're wrong or naive becausethey don't agree with the majority.
Then you totally misinterpreted the entire discussion, and this thread has now become a long drawn out tangent with me and others... :O This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Let's stick to apples and apples here: Liz Taylor called Mike that, and Mike took it and ran with it by telling eMpTV to refer to him as such. It snowballed from there. Not a good analogy.
But I don't understand why other people are made to feel they're wrong or naive becausethey don't agree with the majority.
Then you totally misinterpreted the entire discussion, and this thread has now become a long drawn out tangent with me and others... Yes, Liz Taylor did give him the title, and everyone ran with it. And hence it has become public opinion that he is the "King" or in this case "Queen". As far as misinterpreting the discussion, I'm not trying to start an argument. But he posted his opinion and then it became a who's the Queen of soul thread. I've no tangent with you Supernova or anyone else. As a matter of fact I agree with many of your posts. [This message was edited Sat Apr 12 16:35:57 PDT 2003 by XXX] | |
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Joan Armatrading Tori Fixx K'Alyn DJ Naughty Boyy Gary Hodges Kelis Meshell Ndegeocello Angela Bofill Billy Lawrence Dionne Farris Amel Larrieux Alana Davis Grand Puba The Streets Protegee Playa Sadat X Scritti Politti Kenna Rah Digga All Natural Betty Davis Queen Latifah Cree Summer | |
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I wonder if the argument regarding Aretha is generational and that in this time some can not understand her influence and longevity. Aretha's title as the Queen of Soul is the only one I've never questioned. Now all of the other ones...well...Ashanti..the princess of hip/hop and r&b... 
Moonbeam talks how Annie Lennox speaks to all genders, races,etc...Does she or is it just simply who you connect with and because you don't connect with Aretha does that mean she is not the Queen of Soul... ..do you have to connect with an artist to respect the artist. I don't think so.
Overrated: Elvis Beatles sharika britney ashanti bob dylan ja rule michael jackson (gigglin') india arie Most of the rotation on MTV/BET Under The jacksons Maxwell N'dambi (wonderful) prince (he's icon status) Anita Baker (the soul singers from the 80's and 90's, Miki Howard, Regina Belle, Stephanie Mills, Patti Labelle,etc) Mint Condition Howard Hewett | |
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intha916 said: Overrated: Alicia Keys, 50 Cent, Emenim, Justin Timberlake, Brittany Spears, Ashanti, and Jlo.
Yeah , I figure 50 cents is actually only worth 39 on the open market. especially when you consider the current state of the economy. | |
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Rhondab said: I wonder if the argument regarding Aretha is generational and that in this time some can not understand her influence and longevity. Aretha's title as the Queen of Soul is the only one I've never questioned. Now all of the other ones...well...Ashanti..the princess of hip/hop and r&b...
Moonbeam talks how Annie Lennox speaks to all genders, races,etc...Does she or is it just simply who you connect with and because you don't connect with Aretha does that mean she is not the Queen of Soul... ..do you have to connect with an artist to respect the artist. I don't think so.
Overrated: Elvis Beatles sharika britney ashanti bob dylan ja rule michael jackson (gigglin') india arie Most of the rotation on MTV/BET Under The jacksons Maxwell N'dambi (wonderful) prince (he's icon status) Anita Baker (the soul singers from the 80's and 90's, Miki Howard, Regina Belle, Stephanie Mills, Patti Labelle,etc) Mint Condition Howard Hewett > why do u think INdia Arie is overrated ? | |
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Moonbeam said: All I'm doing is angering people, so I'll stop posting. Sorry, everyone!
Every time you put finger to keyboard you display an extremely impoverished understanding of music history, especially when it comes to soul music. So don't worry about this single instance of idiocy. | |
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Allow me to elaborate on the underrated people:
It seems like no one here has heard of the Gang of Four. They done influenced everyone that came out of the post-punk era, from R.E.M. to U2 Nirvana to the Chili Peppers to Radio 4 and Helmut. These funky white boys did their thang, but they're still relegated to teir cult status. Hey, If Mmoonbeam can rave about the Eurythmics all the time then I can rave about these guys. What about the heroes of the 2nd wave of ska? You know, the 2-Tone era. 2-Tone ruled England in 1980, but they were just a flash in the pan here in the U.S. Yet the ska sound was so influential in bringing in the 3rd wave of ska in the U.S. ABC were just one of the coolest bands to come out the New Romantic era. It was more about style. They made some of the best pop music of the '80's. Here's some more underrated folks: Talking Heads, Japan, Fun Boy 3, Remy Shand, The Jam, Lee "Scratch" Perry, New Edition, Public Image Ltd., Level 42, The Slits, Shuggie Otis, The Clash (especially after Joe died), Love, The Pop Group, Jamiroquai, They Might Be Giants, etc., etc., etc. I mean, with great music like this, why give a shit about Nirvana. They were aiight, but they were no Beatles to me. (Oh, I'm gonna get so much heat for this. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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fairmoan said: Moonbeam said: All I'm doing is angering people, so I'll stop posting. Sorry, everyone!
Every time you put finger to keyboard you display an extremely impoverished understanding of music history, especially when it comes to soul music. So don't worry about this single instance of idiocy. Damn, some people are awfully touchy! | |
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utopia7 said: Rhondab said: I wonder if the argument regarding Aretha is generational and that in this time some can not understand her influence and longevity. Aretha's title as the Queen of Soul is the only one I've never questioned. Now all of the other ones...well...Ashanti..the princess of hip/hop and r&b...
Moonbeam talks how Annie Lennox speaks to all genders, races,etc...Does she or is it just simply who you connect with and because you don't connect with Aretha does that mean she is not the Queen of Soul... ..do you have to connect with an artist to respect the artist. I don't think so.
Overrated: Elvis Beatles sharika britney ashanti bob dylan ja rule michael jackson (gigglin') india arie Most of the rotation on MTV/BET Under The jacksons Maxwell N'dambi (wonderful) prince (he's icon status) Anita Baker (the soul singers from the 80's and 90's, Miki Howard, Regina Belle, Stephanie Mills, Patti Labelle,etc) Mint Condition Howard Hewett > why do u think INdia Arie is overrated ? I think she is talented vocally but after seeing her live...UGH...she talked through the entire show. I need to see more from her. I think she's talented but... | |
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one example of why bob dylan isn't over-rated..
Nobody feels any pain Tonight as I stand inside the rain Ev'rybody knows That Baby's got new clothes But lately I see her ribbons and her bows Have fallen from her curls. She takes just like a woman, yes, she does She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does And she aches just like a woman But she breaks just like a little girl. Queen Mary, she's my friend Yes, I believe I'll go see her again Nobody has to guess That Baby can't be blessed Till she sees finally that she's like all the rest With her fog, her amphetamine and her pearls. She takes just like a woman, yes, she does She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does And she aches just like a woman But she breaks just like a little girl. It was raining from the first And I was dying there of thirst So I came in here And your long-time curse hurts But what's worse Is this pain in here I can't stay in here Ain't it clear that-- I just can't fit Yes, I believe it's time for us to quit When we meet again Introduced as friends Please don't let on that you knew me when I was hungry and it was your world. Ah, you fake just like a woman, yes, you do You make love just like a woman, yes, you do Then you ache just like a woman But you break just like a little girl. | |
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and another...
You got a lotta nerve To say you are my friend When I was down You just stood there grinning You got a lotta nerve To say you got a helping hand to lend You just want to be on The side that's winning You say I let you down You know it's not like that If you're so hurt Why then don't you show it You say you lost your faith But that's not where it's at You had no faith to lose And you know it I know the reason That you talk behind my back I used to be among the crowd You're in with Do you take me for such a fool To think I'd make contact With the one who tries to hide What he don't know to begin with You see me on the street You always act surprised You say, "How are you?" "Good luck" But you don't mean it When you know as well as me You'd rather see me paralyzed Why don't you just come out once And scream it No, I do not feel that good When I see the heartbreaks you embrace If I was a master thief Perhaps I'd rob them And now I know you're dissatisfied With your position and your place Don't you understand It's not my problem I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes And just for that one moment I could be you Yes, I wish that for just one time You could stand inside my shoes You'd know what a drag it is To see you Copyright © 1965; renewed 1993 Special Rider Music | |
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overrated: 50 cent, Justin Timberlake, Nelly, those N.E.R.D assholes, Eminem, Avril Lavigne, Ja Rule, ... everything you see on MTV .. such a shame..
underrated: Prince (but as long as WE acknowledge the man's talent i guess it's cool, i'm not waiting for the moment when mankind opens their eyes and come to realize that this man is the real deal.) Beck: this man makes great music and i like it. | |
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