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Quincy Jones is an opportunistic idiot...I hope he doesn't get a this red cent...

Senile by now and needs to sit his ass down! He ain;t got enough money and fame... Pshhhh!

Invoices?

LBrent said:

Quincy Jones is an opportunistic idiot...I hope he doesn't get a this red cent...

Why if he received royalties for years and they just stopped coming that is called stealing. Do you think he was getting royalty checks for 20 years for no reason. If there was any sort of increase in revenue he should be gettting it.

See the comment below. The admit to not paying him his due and want to settle for about 3 million when the Jackson estate has been making millions of dollars since MJ's death.

“We believe the evidence will show that Mr. Jones is not entitled to anything but a fraction of the money he’s after,” Modabber said. Since Jackson’s death, he said, “Mr. Jones has been paid over $18 million, and he will make millions more.”

John Branca, Jackson’s longtime attorney and now the co-executor of his estate, was the first witness. Under questioning from Jones’ lawyer, Branca said the estate had offered Jones $2 million to $3 million to settle the case, which is what he believed Jones is owed.

Branca and Jones’ lawyer sparred over the definition of a “videoshow” in Jones’ contract, with Branca claiming it pertained to music videos and not to movies such as “This Is It” or life performances such as Cirque du Soleil.

“It was never our practice to cheat … Mr. Jones,” Branca testified, as the debate became heated. “You’re creating a false impression.”

Branca acknowledged that the estate had erred by failing to give Jones a credit for “This Is It.”

This is no shade to MJ this is about the two attorneys he choose to manage his estate and the manner in which they have been conducting themselves. I have said on the estate topic wills or trusts somehow mean the artist wishes are just not honered and attorney's seem to think actual contracts cease to exisit when the artist passed. They certainly do not expire and neither do copyrights.

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Seems everyone is out for the buck these days.

It's amazing to see how contemptuous MJ fans can be of the producer who helped make MJ the icon he was, is and will be.

Like you all wouldn't want your royalties if you were in his shoes.

Let the judge and jury sort it out.

morningsong said:

Invoices?

If he doesn't have them, or enough of them, the court will rule against him.

But it wouldn't have gotten to trial if he didn't have a triable issue of fact on what he's owed . . . which the defense has apparently conceded.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

Quincy Jones is an opportunistic idiot...I hope he doesn't get a this red cent...

Why if he received royalties for years and they just stopped coming that is called stealing. Do you think he was getting royalty checks for 20 years for no reason. If there was any sort of increase in revenue he should be gettting it.

See the comment below. The admit to not paying him his due and want to settle for about 3 million when the Jackson estate has been making millions of dollars since MJ's death.

“We believe the evidence will show that Mr. Jones is not entitled to anything but a fraction of the money he’s after,” Modabber said. Since Jackson’s death, he said, “Mr. Jones has been paid over $18 million, and he will make millions more.”

John Branca, Jackson’s longtime attorney and now the co-executor of his estate, was the first witness. Under questioning from Jones’ lawyer, Branca said the estate had offered Jones $2 million to $3 million to settle the case, which is what he believed Jones is owed.

Branca and Jones’ lawyer sparred over the definition of a “videoshow” in Jones’ contract, with Branca claiming it pertained to music videos and not to movies such as “This Is It” or life performances such as Cirque du Soleil.

“It was never our practice to cheat … Mr. Jones,” Branca testified, as the debate became heated. “You’re creating a false impression.”

Branca acknowledged that the estate had erred by failing to give Jones a credit for “This Is It.”

This is no shade to MJ this is about the two attorneys he choose to manage his estate and the manner in which they have been conducting themselves. I have said on the estate topic wills or trusts somehow mean the artist wishes are just not honered and attorney's seem to think actual contracts cease to exisit when the artist passed. They certainly do not expire and neither do copyrights.

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Excellent points, I agree. AT FIRST, I thought Quincy was just trying to get money from the Estate because he is senile and a big phony (I really don't like Quincy at all after a lot of things he has said) but now after some evidence has been presented I think there is some truth to this case. The two John's running MJ's Estate are SHADY and SNAKES so I would not be surprised if this is true. They have done a number of things against Michael's wishes and what he wanted in his will. I will wait and see and allow both sides to prove cases.

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Why if he received royalties for years and they just stopped coming that is called stealing. Do you think he was getting royalty checks for 20 years for no reason. If there was any sort of increase in revenue he should be gettting it.

See the comment below. The admit to not paying him his due and want to settle for about 3 million when the Jackson estate has been making millions of dollars since MJ's death.

“We believe the evidence will show that Mr. Jones is not entitled to anything but a fraction of the money he’s after,” Modabber said. Since Jackson’s death, he said, “Mr. Jones has been paid over $18 million, and he will make millions more.”

John Branca, Jackson’s longtime attorney and now the co-executor of his estate, was the first witness. Under questioning from Jones’ lawyer, Branca said the estate had offered Jones $2 million to $3 million to settle the case, which is what he believed Jones is owed.

Branca and Jones’ lawyer sparred over the definition of a “videoshow” in Jones’ contract, with Branca claiming it pertained to music videos and not to movies such as “This Is It” or life performances such as Cirque du Soleil.

“It was never our practice to cheat … Mr. Jones,” Branca testified, as the debate became heated. “You’re creating a false impression.”

Branca acknowledged that the estate had erred by failing to give Jones a credit for “This Is It.”

This is no shade to MJ this is about the two attorneys he choose to manage his estate and the manner in which they have been conducting themselves. I have said on the estate topic wills or trusts somehow mean the artist wishes are just not honered and attorney's seem to think actual contracts cease to exisit when the artist passed. They certainly do not expire and neither do copyrights.

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[Edited 7/12/17 12:43pm]

Excellent points, I agree. AT FIRST, I thought Quincy was just trying to get money from the Estate because he is senile and a big phony (I really don't like Quincy at all after a lot of things he has said) but now after some evidence has been presented I think there is some truth to this case. The two John's running MJ's Estate are SHADY and SNAKES so I would not be surprised if this is true. They have done a number of things against Michael's wishes and what he wanted in his will. I will wait and see and allow both sides to prove cases.

Now ya already know that I'm not an MJ fan, but it has always seemed to me that QJ used and exploited MJ in life ...and now it appears he's looking to capitalize on MJ in death...Not cool...

I'm so glad P never allowed QJ into his world...

LBrent said:

mjscarousal said:

Excellent points, I agree. AT FIRST, I thought Quincy was just trying to get money from the Estate because he is senile and a big phony (I really don't like Quincy at all after a lot of things he has said) but now after some evidence has been presented I think there is some truth to this case. The two John's running MJ's Estate are SHADY and SNAKES so I would not be surprised if this is true. They have done a number of things against Michael's wishes and what he wanted in his will. I will wait and see and allow both sides to prove cases.

Now ya already know that I'm not an MJ fan, but it has always seemed to me that QJ used and exploited MJ in life ...and now it appears he's looking to capitalize on MJ in death...Not cool...

I'm so glad P never allowed QJ into his world...

Your right, your not a MJ fan so you don't know the ends and out of the MJ Estate.

Quincy was not a good friend towards Michael. However, Michael's Estate has been very shady and there might be some truth to this. They have not followed all what Michael wanted either so I am going to wait and see if Quincy's has a case. He was not credited on some of those posthumous projects so while he is a senile turd, he is right about some things.

mjscarousal said:

They admitted to some wrong but not 30 Million dollars worth. Sounds like Quincy's team will be presenting something in court over the next couple days. Sit tight.

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Your right, your not a MJ fan so you don't know the ends and out of the MJ Estate.

Quincy was not a good friend towards Michael. However, Michael's Estate has been very shady and there might be some truth to this. They have not followed all what Michael wanted either so I am going to wait and see if Quincy's has a case. He was not credited on some of those posthumous projects so while he is a senile turd, he is right about some things.

Co-sign not a Quincy fan and I do think senility is making his true colors come out but you cannot just decide to not pay someone their royalties and expect to get away with it. [Edited 7/12/17 14:29pm]

I agree. I don't like nor trust the MJ Estate after they sold off MJ's prized Beatles/Sony AVG catalog so I will always hold off and wait before judgement in these cases. They have done a lot of shady things but we will see.

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After they sold off the catalog for less than it was worth...this definitely isn't a surprise.

Dakarai said:

After they sold off the catalog for less than it was worth...this definitely isn't a surprise.

Agree sis, agree... they won't even buy Neverland back and they can afford it.

Lost respect for him.

mjscarousal said:

It's funny how Quincy Jones is called senile when he's seen and done like a billion interviews over the past 60 plus years giving historical accounts of the evolution of music.

I bet right now, he can give the most in depth interview on the planet about the state of the music better than any musician or music critic out there right now...

he's worked with all the great luminaries starting as a teenager playing music for the likes of Ray Charles himself at the age of 14

he's owed every dime he's seeking (althought he won't get it) because pseudo historians who have been given the platform to tell MJ's story is attempting to erase his entire past out of the equation.

and MJ when he started his adult solo career, he's the one who approached Quincy Jones about seeking a producer to conduct his debut album, not the other way around.

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Scorp said:

It's funny how Quincy Jones is called senile when he's seen and done like a billion interviews over the past 60 plus years giving historical accounts of the evolution of music.

I bet right now, he can give the most in depth interview on the planet about the state of the music better than any musician or music critic out there right now...

he's worked with all the great luminaries starting as a teenager playing music for the likes of Ray Charles himself at the age of 14

he's owed every dime he's seeking (althought he won't get it) because pseudo historians who have been given the platform to tell MJ's story is attempting to erase his entire past out of the equation.

and MJ when he started his adult solo career, he's the one who approached Quincy Jones about seeking a producer to conduct his debut album, not the other way around.

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we should all be so senile

If they owe him, they owe him. It's the Jacksons et al, So it's likely they probably do. Quincy must have got himself a sweet deal. Is he chasing checks for the theme tune to 'Ironside', the score to 'The Italian Job', his work on 'The Wiz' ect constantly?. I suspect not. I'm past caring to be honest, I'm glad Michael is away from the circus of Q and his family.

Marrk said:

If they owe him, they owe him. It's the Jacksons et al, So it's likely they probably do. Quincy must have got himself a sweet deal. Is he chasing checks for the theme tune to 'Ironside', the score to 'The Italian Job', his work on 'The Wiz' ect constantly?. I suspect not. I'm past caring to be honest, I'm glad Michael is away from the circus of Q and his family.

It should be if he had maintained closeness with his family and people like Quincy, his life and career wouldn't have ended the way it did

Quincy has been in the scene for sixty years plus, before MJ was born, and Ive never anything said bad about him by any of the litany of other artists he's worked with

And he always said a great album is not the product of one person but the effort of many

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moonsister said:

Scorp said:

It's funny how Quincy Jones is called senile when he's seen and done like a billion interviews over the past 60 plus years giving historical accounts of the evolution of music.

I bet right now, he can give the most in depth interview on the planet about the state of the music better than any musician or music critic out there right now...

he's worked with all the great luminaries starting as a teenager playing music for the likes of Ray Charles himself at the age of 14

he's owed every dime he's seeking (althought he won't get it) because pseudo historians who have been given the platform to tell MJ's story is attempting to erase his entire past out of the equation.

and MJ when he started his adult solo career, he's the one who approached Quincy Jones about seeking a producer to conduct his debut album, not the other way around.

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we should all be so senile

Absolutely

Scorp said:

moonsister said:

we should all be so senile

Absolutely

And senility is the state of mind where a person has lost virtually most if not all of his or her long term memory

Scorp said:

laurarichardson said:

Scorp said:

And senility is the state of mind where a person has lost virtually most if not all of his or her long term memory

--Have you been keeping up with some of the stuff coming out of his pie hole. He is acting like he lost his long term memory. Some of the stuff he said about Ray was plain mean and that was suppose to be his friend. [Edited 7/12/17 18:15pm]

That bio movie about Ray Charles in 2004 shed light on all that before Quincy even spoke on it.

and Ray gave the okay for those details about his life to be displayed in that movie....

Quincy deserves what he's asking for but he's not going to get it

Scorp said:

Thank You!

Scorp said:

It's funny how Quincy Jones is called senile when he's seen and done like a billion interviews over the past 60 plus years giving historical accounts of the evolution of music.

I bet right now, he can give the most in depth interview on the planet about the state of the music better than any musician or music critic out there right now...

he's worked with all the great luminaries starting as a teenager playing music for the likes of Ray Charles himself at the age of 14

he's owed every dime he's seeking (althought he won't get it) because pseudo historians who have been given the platform to tell MJ's story is attempting to erase his entire past out of the equation.

and MJ when he started his adult solo career, he's the one who approached Quincy Jones about seeking a producer to conduct his debut album, not the other way around.

[Edited 7/12/17 17:28pm]

laurarichardson said:

Scorp said:

That bio movie about Ray Charles in 2004 shed light on all that before Quincy even spoke on it.

and Ray gave the okay for those details about his life to be displayed in that movie....

Quincy deserves what he's asking for but he's not going to get it

I am not talking about the movie I am talking about shit he has said recently and if he has not been paid his royalties he will get something out of this case.

Waste of time going back and forth with that one. He hates MJ and supports anyone else that does.

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Scorp said: I am not talking about the movie I am talking about shit he has said recently and if he has not been paid his royalties he will get something out of this case.

Waste of time going back and forth with that one. He hates MJ and supports anyone else that does.

false....

been listening to the Jackson Five and Michael Jackson since the early 1970s when I was born

I don't and never supported the false image that caused a tragedy for the ages because it brought no good at all....none