ML2016 said:

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

Of course, lots of people can do that, what's the deal?

CharismaDove said:

mjscarousal said:

I think your missing my point. Prince fans are very cruel and nasty when it comes Michael. They have mocked his death (this is sick behavior). I have NEVER seen a MJ fan mock or make fun of Prince dying the way Prince fans do to MJ. No, the Prince fans on scary shit, like who does that? The fact that you are excusing this behavior is...creepy.

That is pretty fucked up, I haven't seen anything like that but yeah that's wrong. I guess Prince fans are more cruel while MJ fans are more ignorant of other artists outside MJ

That's not right either. Some of us grew up loving both and know both MJ and Prince like the back of our hands. To quote Grand Moff Tarkin, "This bickering is pointless".

Both dead. Just all about their music now. Nothing else is relevant or important anymore.

214 said:

ML2016 said:

Can anyone above the age of 15 listen to Bad, Black or White and Heal the world with a straight face?

Of course, lots of people can do that, what's the deal?

"Black or White" is a great song. It's fun to harmonize in the chorus. "Bad" is better in the original album pressing mix. It was later pressed with the 7" edit mix, as was a good handful of other tracks.

214 said:

The Michael Jackson story should be a story that all should learn from

because what should have continued being became what should have never happened....

for if his story would have continued being, I honestly believe music would have never declined and allot of the deterioration that has permeated these past 25 years more than likely never happen.

Free2BMe said:

Exactly! They don't care about FACTS. They only want ALTERNATIVE "facts".

Prince fans have a deep seeded problem with Michael Jackson. MJ fans never are disrespectful toward Prince or mock his death the way they do. When you go around making fun of someone dying, you have a mental problem.

mjscarousal said:

Free2BMe said:

Exactly! They don't care about FACTS. They only want ALTERNATIVE "facts".

Prince fans have a deep seeded problem with Michael Jackson. MJ fans never are disrespectful toward Prince or mock his death the way they do. When you go around making fun of someone dying, you have a mental problem.

I love Prince but Michael is in a league all his own. Everyone seems to agree Prince was easily the better musician but Michael was the better overall artist and entertainer IMO.

homesquid said:

mjscarousal said:

Prince fans have a deep seeded problem with Michael Jackson. MJ fans never are disrespectful toward Prince or mock his death the way they do. When you go around making fun of someone dying, you have a mental problem.

I love Prince but Michael is in a league all his own. Everyone seems to agree Prince was easily the better musician but Michael was the better overall artist and entertainer IMO.

No, he isn't. MJ's post thriller is mediocre in comparison to P. No question about it. Before Thriller he was the greatest entertainer on Earth, but his work (including performances, recordings, appearances) after that went downhill. MJ BEFORE 1984 is slightly above P. After 1984, P eats MJ alive, nose included.

homesquid said:

mjscarousal said:

Prince fans have a deep seeded problem with Michael Jackson. MJ fans never are disrespectful toward Prince or mock his death the way they do. When you go around making fun of someone dying, you have a mental problem.

I love Prince but Michael is in a league all his own. Everyone seems to agree Prince was easily the better musician but Michael was the better overall artist and entertainer IMO.

Thank you and I agree!

Scorp said:

The Michael Jackson story should be a story that all should learn from

because what should have continued being became what should have never happened....

for if his story would have continued being, I honestly believe music would have never declined and allot of the deterioration that has permeated these past 25 years more than likely never happen.

214 said:

mjscarousal said:

They didn't read the autospy report nor watch the trial. They hate MJ and don't know all the specifcs. This is the same site that mocked his death, I don't take these people seriously. They want any excuse to slander MJ. MJ died at the hands of a negligent and incompetent doctor not because of a dependency or addiction. He didn't kill himself, someone killed him.

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Let them alone, they will keep saying that he was a drug addicted 'cause it suits their agendas.

One could argue that MJ was indeed addicted or dependent on propofol. He had taken to using it daily at bedtime because he couldn't sleep without it. Much the same way that Prince had taken to using opioids daily to function.

I would almost argue that MJ might've been more of an addict, as he was taking drugs to block out the world. Shut down. Prince was taking drugs to stay IN the world and create, record, tour, etc.

And, if you want to discuss further, you could argue that they both died from someone else's criminal neglect, as the pills that Prince took were mislabeled. In the case of Prince, that investigation is still ongoing.

Se7en said:

214 said:

Let them alone, they will keep saying that he was a drug addicted 'cause it suits their agendas.

One could argue that MJ was indeed addicted or dependent on propofol. He had taken to using it daily at bedtime because he couldn't sleep without it. Much the same way that Prince had taken to using opioids daily to function.

I would almost argue that MJ might've been more of an addict, as he was taking drugs to block out the world. Shut down. Prince was taking drugs to stay IN the world and create, record, tour, etc.

And, if you want to discuss further, you could argue that they both died from someone else's criminal neglect, as the pills that Prince took were mislabeled. In the case of Prince, that investigation is still ongoing.

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I agree; it's all just so sad and tragic the way they both left this earth. MJ was dependent on Propofol to help him sleep. I read a report a while ago from a credible doctor and he stated that MJ would have died within a few weeks anyhow from lack of sleep. Lack of sleep for long periods of time can cause all sorts of medical problems, and an untimely death. MJ was not taking proper care of his health and not eating properly. His life just seem to spiral out of control in his last several years.

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With Prince, he was in constant pain and had no other choice but to medicate himself. He probably carried a lot of shame with taking pain pills because he had a lot of pride, never wanted to slow down, even though his body was telling him otherwise. He had the money for the best medical care/treatment, but yet died from street drugs. He thought he could handle it on his own, and was probably reluctant to go into treatment.

Se7en said:

Free2BMe said:

Se7en said:

One could argue that MJ was indeed addicted or dependent on propofol. He had taken to using it daily at bedtime because he couldn't sleep without it. Much the same way that Prince had taken to using opioids daily to function.

I would almost argue that MJ might've been more of an addict, as he was taking drugs to block out the world. Shut down. Prince was taking drugs to stay IN the world and create, record, tour, etc.

And, if you want to discuss further, you could argue that they both died from someone else's criminal neglect, as the pills that Prince took were mislabeled. In the case of Prince, that investigation is still ongoing.

Just curious why you think "MJ might've been more of an addict" than Prince when no other drugs were found in Michael's system or body other than the propofol that Murray pumped into him THAT night. The coroner said that they even did tests that could go back WEEKS to tell if any other drugs had been misused. They found NONE. They only found Propofol/ANETHESIA, that Murray used to put Michael to sleep. Btw, if Murray, the murderer, had Monitored Michael, he would be alive today. That was the testimony of the EXPERTS in the courtroom. Drugs didn't kill Michael, Murray's neglect, misuse, carelessness killed Michael. That was also the conclusion that came from evidence presented in the trial.That was not the case with Prince. They found drugs in his body strong enough to kill several people. Just trying to see how you came to the conclusion that MJ was more of an "addict" than Prince. [Edited 7/6/17 14:50pm] [Edited 7/6/17 14:52pm]

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Okay, but the fact that Michael was using Propofol to help him sleep was having adverse effects on his life. I read another doctor's report and he stated that MJ probably would have died within a few weeks anyhow due to lack of sleep. When you are put under "Propofol", you are not actually sleeping, as in REM sleep (I've read about this), and you body needs to regenerate cells/brain cells, and chronic lack of sleep will have detremental effects on one's health. It's obvious that MJ was not taking care of his health. Not eating and sleeping. Propofol is "not" considered sleeping.

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Princed died from illegal Fentanyl. MJ died because he was being given Propofol by a doctor who was not authorized to administer (out of a hospital setting), and MJ knew that he was taking Propofol.......it's not like he did not know. Conrad Murray was negligent, yes!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Free2BMe said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; it's all just so sad and tragic the way they both left this earth. MJ was dependent on Propofol to help him sleep. I read a report a while ago from a credible doctor and he stated that MJ would have died within a few weeks anyhow from lack of sleep. Lack of sleep for long periods of time can cause all sorts of medical problems, and an untimely death. MJ was not taking proper care of his health and not eating properly. His life just seem to spiral out of control in his last several years.

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With Prince, he was in constant pain and had no other choice but to medicate himself. He probably carried a lot of shame with taking pain pills because he had a lot of pride, never wanted to slow down, even though his body was telling him otherwise. He had the money for the best medical care/treatment, but yet died from street drugs. He thought he could handle it on his own, and was probably reluctant to go into treatment.

According to Kai Chase, Michael's chef, he was eating properly AND healthy. His life was not spiraling out of control. Where did you get that from. He was a single father taking care of his children. From EVERY report, and I mean EVERY report, Michael was very involved with taking care of his children on a daily basis. Let's not forget that his Janet and the rest of the family were badgering him on a constant basis to tour with THEM. Yet, after he died, they lied and tried to pretend that he was an addict. WTF, would they want an addict to tour with them. Janet badgered him as much as anyone to tour. She even volunteered to be the opening act. Therefore, his life was not out of control in his last several years. He was a father taking care of his children and getting ready to go on tour, even after all the shit that he had gone through with the false allegations.

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I never read that article you mentioned with MJ's chef. All I have ever read about is how Michael would eat very little food. I never questioned his ability to parent his children. I know he was a wonderful father.

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MJ wasn't interested in doing any more tours with his siblings. He had issues with his brothers, as we all know.

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MJ openly admitted to being addiction to pain medication and undergoing treatment. He was in pain after his accident in the Pepsi commercial, coupled with numerous surgeries he had in his life and I think he had a lot of emotional pain as well and was self-medicating. I am in no way saying MJ was a drug addict or a bad person. He was dealing with a lot in life.

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He did not want to do that "This is It" tour. AEG was pushing him to do more shows and he was not interested. MJ died because of AEG and Conrad Murray.

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Also, you do understand the detremental effects that Propofol was having on MJs health? Propofol is not "sleeping", and your body will cease to exist without proper rest. That is fact.

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cloveringold85, I see you're the next wanna-be-victim of these two rabid cult like fans, despite trying to take a neutral stance and not even picking a side.

You have now learned these people can't be reasoned with. And can't even tolerate a simple fact/critisism or discussion.

I guess we'll never get to the point where we just discuss the music.

Free2BMe said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, but the fact that Michael was using Propofol to help him sleep was having adverse effects on his life. I read another doctor's report and he stated that MJ probably would have died within a few weeks anyhow due to lack of sleep. When you are put under "Propofol", you are not actually sleeping, as in REM sleep (I've read about this), and you body needs to regenerate cells/brain cells, and chronic lack of sleep will have detremental effects on one's health. It's obvious that MJ was not taking care of his health. Not eating and sleeping. Propofol is "not" considered sleeping.

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Princed died from illegal Fentanyl. MJ died because he was being given Propofol by a doctor who was not authorized to administer (out of a hospital setting), and MJ knew that he was taking Propofol.......it's not like he did not know. Conrad Murray was negligent, yes!

The fact that Michael used a CARDIOLOGIST, a HEART doctor, to administer Propofol showed me that he wasn't trying to take chances. He thought that if he used a cardiologist to sedate him, that doctor would know what he was doing. Michael had no idea this MF'er would be on the telephone talking to his girlfriends, texting, and everything else except Monitoring him. This SOB left the room and stayed gone for over 30 minutes. That was why so much propofol dripped into Michael's body and he died from a heart attack. The murderer didn't even call 911 until almost an hour later. He knew that he had killed Michael and tried to cover up.I will say again that if this bastard had monitored Michael, he would be alive. Sleep deprivation didn't kill Michael. I know people that have chronic insomnia and it hasn't killed them. Insomnia didn't kill Michael, Conrad Murray did and that's the bottomline.

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I know what happened to Michael and it's a terrible tragedy. Of course Conrad Murray is responsible and is not fit to be practicing medicine or work in the medical field (I think he was practicing in another country, but got into trouble again, so I don't think he is as of this date).

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But, you can't deny that Michael knew what he was doing by taking Propofol in his private home/living quarters. He knew he wasn't supposed to be doing that. Conrad Murray should have denied treating Michael, but he kept doing it anyway, because he saw dollar signs!!

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If a person does not sleep, they will eventually die. Why can't you understand that.

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Here's a good article:

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http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...index.html

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And, here's another one about a Man who died after going 11-days without sleep:

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http://www.huffingtonpost...31703.html

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And Slate explained how even after just 24 hours of no sleep, detrimental changes in the body are already starting to occur — like rising levels of stress hormone, which bumps up blood pressure levels.

And after one to two days of no sleep, the body decreases its ability to properly metabolize glucose, the immune system stops working as well and the body’s internal temperature begins to sink, Slate reported.

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LayzieKiddZ said:

purplethunder3121 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

cloveringold85, I see you're the next wanna-be-victim of these two rabid cult like fans, despite trying to take a neutral stance and not even picking a side.

You have now learned these people can't be reasoned with. And can't even tolerate a simple fact/critisism or discussion.

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I don't understand how people keep overlooking the fact that Michael knowingly took Propofol, even though he knew he wasn't supposed to be--should not have...... I don't deny the fact that Conrad was an enabler and he could have walked away.....or better yet, he could have CARED for Michael or found someone who would.

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Anyways, this is tiring me out now, LOL

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Edited again...typos!

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SoulAlive said:

The fact that MJ and Prince were not eating properly is disturbing.And when we hear about Prince not getting any sleep for several days?! smh... These guys clearly weren't taking good care of themselves As you get older,you have to make your health a priority.You have to listen to your body and pay attention to warning signs.Also,both of these guys seriously needed to gain some weight!! Being too skinny and frail is not cool.

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Thank You! Our bodies change as we get older and most of us are/were not performers like MJ and Prince who pushed their bodies to the limit, and paid the price for it.

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I bolded the above because it's SO true!! Sleep and diet is paramount to having a healthy and happy life!!

Free2BMe said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I guess we'll never get to the point where we just discuss the music.

Sadly, we can't discuss just the music because some Prince fan always wants to bring up negative shit about Michael and derail the thread. Michael fans don't instigate this crap, Prince fans do. It would be great if they didn't feel so insecure and threatened.

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I'm just curious as to why you keep overlooking the fact that Michael was using Propofol outside of a hospital setting, and the fact that sleep deprivation has adverse effects on a person's health.

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No one is trying to derail anything. It's a discussion about Michael Jackson, 8-years later.

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Some people just can't see the forest for the trees.

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cloveringold85 said:

SoulAlive said:

basically,for whatever reasons,Prince and Michael were *both* taking drugs that they should not have been messing with.That's really what it all boils down to

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True

cloveringold85 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

cloveringold85, I see you're the next wanna-be-victim of these two rabid cult like fans, despite trying to take a neutral stance and not even picking a side.

You have now learned these people can't be reasoned with. And can't even tolerate a simple fact/critisism or discussion.

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I don't understand how people keep overlooking the fact that Michael knowingly took Propofol, even though he knew he wasn't supposed to be--should not have...... I don't deny the fact that Conrad was an enabler and he could have walked away.....or better yet, he could have CARED for Michael or found someone who would.

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Anyways, this is tiring me out now, LOL

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Edited again...typos!

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Hah yeah, I don't see how people can keep having the same discussion.

Either way, MJ and Prince passing marked the end of an era. Would've been great to have another MJ album, specifically done in the style of History (his peak in my opinion). And who knows what more gems Prince would blessed us with now that he finally went back to doing hard rock before he passed.