Yea, a lot of people don't believe MJ is dead and the death scene was all staged and yadda-yadda. Some people believe there was another body/MJ impersonator who actually died, and MJ is somewhere, alive and well.
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It's been 8-years and I think we should all just let him rest in peace. MJ lived an incredible life in his short time/ 50-years on this earth. Legends never die.
Cloveringold85, sssshhhhhhhhhh: we have to keep this a secret OK? We don't wanna have the CIA on us. Anyhoo, I know someone who was Latoya's dog caretaker and he told me he suspected Latoya was in fact Michael. I was told she spoke just like him and dressed just like him, even when the cameras were not on. Besides we have had a lot of evidence in the direction of them being the same person. I think Michael did not die: he is "Latoya". Shhhhhhh. Do not share this with anyone.
EDIT: I just had to edit this. I think we are being observed.
Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
You still CONVENIENTLY forget that with Michael there were NO OTHER drugs in Michael's body other than PROPOFOL. No pain killers, Nada. When Whitney died, they found the drugs that killed her in her system. When Prince died, they found the drugs that he was addicted to that killed him. When Michael died, they didn't find pain killers , they found the propofol that Murray used to help Michael sleep. IF Murray had not been a piece of shit and MONITORED Michael, he would have been alive now. If you had followed the murder's trial, you would know that. MJ fans know every transcript, every piece of evidence, every testimony, etc. We don't just talk out of our asses. We follow FACTS, not innuendo, hearsay or gossip in the murder of Michael. Bottomline is that Michael did NOT die from being addicted to drugs or a self imposed overdose;as much as some of you WANT that to be so, he died from a f#%*+#% incompetent doctor who did not watch/monitor him while was sedated.
Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
You still CONVENIENTLY forget that with Michael there were NO OTHER drugs in Michael's body other than PROPOFOL. No pain killers, Nada. When Whitney died, they found the drugs that killed her in her system. When Prince died, they found the drugs that he was addicted to that killed him. When Michael died, they didn't find pain killers , they found the propofol that Murray used to help Michael sleep. IF Murray had not been a piece of shit and MONITORED Michael, he would have been alive now. If you had followed the murder's trial, you would know that. MJ fans know every transcript, every piece of evidence, every testimony, etc. We don't just talk out of our asses. We follow FACTS, not innuendo, hearsay or gossip in the murder of Michael. Bottomline is that Michael did NOT die from being addicted to drugs or a self imposed overdose;as much as some of you WANT that to be so, he died from a f#%*+#% incompetent doctor who did not watch/monitor him while was sedated.
Possibly, but all his surgeries didn't help any either. I also believe he started abusing pain pills to deal with the stress and emotional pain he was under. When he died, his life was a complete mess. His estate was a damn mess and he had people working for him who lied, cheated and stole from him. People he entrusted betrayed him. I think he became paranoid and just could not trust anyone anymore. Such a sad and tragic ending.
this is what I'm alluding to
that pepsi accident was an isolated event, and yes it was scary, and traumatic no doubt about it
but the real core issue is what's been avoided for over a quarter century
the reason Michael Jackson started gravitating (which to me is the more appropriate word to use rather than saying becoming addicted) towards using painkillers was because of the toll, the physical toll, then the emotional toll, then the psychological toll from the extreme levels of plastic surgery/cosmetic procedures he underwent over time in his life....that's the primary reason why he started taking them......this is when the entertainment value no longer became important.....all the other stuff is secondary....
fans wanna pin it all on Dr. Murray but should really keen on those plastic surgeons who played the most significant roll in destroying his humanity.
because if we take that out of the equation regarding his life and career, Michael Jackson would be living vibrant today enjoying his career and what he accomplished....
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I agree. However, Conrad Murray was doing something he knew was wrong, yet did it anyway. I saw him being interviewed by Dr. Oz and he always seems to place blame on everyone, except himself. As a doctor, he had the choice to refuse to treat Michael Jackson and keep giving him Propofol.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Hah, funny thing is I havent listened to him regularly for a while neither. A few months ago I went back and was watching a video and he was genuinely scared of a little tiny dog. At that point I really realized the poor guy definetly had some issues. That's just not an issue a grown man should have. Though don't think he ever did anything diabolical. You're sort of blind to these things when you're a big fan, it is like being in a cult.
You're exaggerating about the dog. You act like he ran to the other side of the room. If he hadnt narrated that he was afraid of dogs by looking at the clip, you wouldn't have known. He also had dogs during and after that time. Some people have phobias, nothing is wrong with that. I can't remember whose book it's in but Back when the ha skins stayed in Gary. MJ and one of the brothers were outside. A dog chased them, MJ was able to jump on the car and get away but his brother didn't and was bit pretty bad. I think Joe had to beat the dog to set the brother free. I want to say it was Marlon
I'm not exaggerating anything, I just repeated what the man himself said on camera and saw the video in reference.
Although the album wasn't great, this song (recorded in 1994) is a bright spot on "Michael"
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Very controversial album. A lot of symbolism on that cover.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Yea, a lot of people don't believe MJ is dead and the death scene was all staged and yadda-yadda. Some people believe there was another body/MJ impersonator who actually died, and MJ is somewhere, alive and well.
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It's been 8-years and I think we should all just let him rest in peace. MJ lived an incredible life in his short time/ 50-years on this earth. Legends never die.
Cloveringold85, sssshhhhhhhhhh: we have to keep this a secret OK? We don't wanna have the CIA on us. Anyhoo, I know someone who was Latoya's dog caretaker and he told me he suspected Latoya was in fact Michael. I was told she spoke just like him and dressed just like him, even when the cameras were not on. Besides we have had a lot of evidence in the direction of them being the same person. I think Michael did not die: he is "Latoya". Shhhhhhh. Do not share this with anyone.
EDIT: I just had to edit this. I think we are being observed.
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Ha-ha!
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I never heard about that one!
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Yea, and a lot of people sayin' that Tyka is actually Prince, LMAO!
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Michael Jackson definetly did drugs, and he was most likely murdered on top of that. You don't end up in his position overnight.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
Ditto, the "all of nothing" attitude being passed around is cult like. Like you said nothing presented is said in hate, things have to be looked at objectively.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
You still CONVENIENTLY forget that with Michael there were NO OTHER drugs in Michael's body other than PROPOFOL. No pain killers, Nada. When Whitney died, they found the drugs that killed her in her system. When Prince died, they found the drugs that he was addicted to that killed him. When Michael died, they didn't find pain killers , they found the propofol that Murray used to help Michael sleep. IF Murray had not been a piece of shit and MONITORED Michael, he would have been alive now. If you had followed the murder's trial, you would know that. MJ fans know every transcript, every piece of evidence, every testimony, etc. We don't just talk out of our asses. We follow FACTS, not innuendo, hearsay or gossip in the murder of Michael. Bottomline is that Michael did NOT die from being addicted to drugs or a self imposed overdose;as much as some of you WANT that to be so, he died from a f#%*+#% incompetent doctor who did not watch/monitor him while was sedated.
No, we already wen't over that sleeping drugs can be abused and frequently are. And that propofol is a drug. Which is why after I said it last page, you decided to be admittedly crass and sarcastic and reply to something irrelevant entirely.
namepeace said: You still CONVENIENTLY forget that with Michael there were NO OTHER drugs in Michael's body other than PROPOFOL. No pain killers, Nada. When Whitney died, they found the drugs that killed her in her system. When Prince died, they found the drugs that he was addicted to that killed him. When Michael died, they didn't find pain killers , they found the propofol that Murray used to help Michael sleep. IF Murray had not been a piece of shit and MONITORED Michael, he would have been alive now. If you had followed the murder's trial, you would know that. MJ fans know every transcript, every piece of evidence, every testimony, etc. We don't just talk out of our asses. We follow FACTS, not innuendo, hearsay or gossip in the murder of Michael. Bottomline is that Michael did NOT die from being addicted to drugs or a self imposed overdose;as much as some of you WANT that to be so, he died from a f#%*+#% incompetent doctor who did not watch/monitor him while was sedated.
No, we already wen't over that sleeping drugs can be abused and frequently are. And that propofol is a drug. Which is why after I said it last page, you decided to be admittedly crass and sarcastic and reply to something irrelevant entirely.
You cannot get addicted to anesthesia and its quite obvious you dont know what your talking about. Anesthetics slow the central nervous system down and nerve transmissions so the person cannot feel pain or bodily sensation. In order to be dependent or addicted there has to be some mental or physical stimulation that is rewarding or some negative withdrawal effects that cause the person to depend on the drug. None of this occurs when a person is administered anesthesia. A person can not administer ansthesia on their own. There were no other drugs found in Michael's system at the time of his death so why do you keep talking about sleeping drugs? The fact of the matter is Michael was KILLED because his doctor was incompetent and negligent when administering Michael Propofol. He left out the room many times to make phone calls. He left Michael for hours and did not monitored him and he ended up giving MJ too much which caused him to overdose. This is the DOCTORS fault, nothing to do with Michael.
No, we already wen't over that sleeping drugs can be abused and frequently are. And that propofol is a drug. Which is why after I said it last page, you decided to be admittedly crass and sarcastic and reply to something irrelevant entirely.
You cannot get addicted to anesthesia and its quite obvious you dont know what your talking about. Anesthetics slow the central nervous system down and nerve transmissions so the person cannot feel pain or bodily sensation. In order to be dependent or addicted there has to be some mental or physical stimulation that is rewarding or some negative withdrawal effects that cause the person to depend on the drug. None of this occurs when a person is administered anesthesia. A person can not administer ansthesia on their own. There were no other drugs found in Michael's system at the time of his death so why do you keep talking about sleeping drugs?
Some of you guys have the nastiest attitude, it's pretty sad.
Either way, sleeping drugs can be abused. People obviously get high on anesthesia. When it's something thats getting personally admitted to you, by a personal doctor at any dosage you want, then we can put common sense together. Something that's administered the same way as morphine. From a man who's clearly was addicted to opiods.
You cannot get addicted to anesthesia and its quite obvious you dont know what your talking about. Anesthetics slow the central nervous system down and nerve transmissions so the person cannot feel pain or bodily sensation. In order to be dependent or addicted there has to be some mental or physical stimulation that is rewarding or some negative withdrawal effects that cause the person to depend on the drug. None of this occurs when a person is administered anesthesia. A person can not administer ansthesia on their own. There were no other drugs found in Michael's system at the time of his death so why do you keep talking about sleeping drugs?
Some of you guys have the nastiest attitude, it's pretty sad.
Either way, sleeping drugs can be abused. People obviously get high on anesthesia. When it's something thats getting personally admitted to you, by a personal doctor at any dosage you want, then we can put common sense together. Something that's administered the same way as morphine. From a man who's clearly was addicted to opiods.
And this anamosity some of you have against MJ, is pathetic.
People can not get high from anesthesia. They are unconscious and have no feeling. You have not a clue what you are talking about. There were no opiods found in MJ's body. Did you even read the autospy? Your just talking out your head, none of this can be backed with facts.
This the last reply I'll give on it because now you're just bringing this to silly levels.
Also, propofol IS a drug Lol, And it happens to make you fall asleep. What is so hard to understand about that? And obviously you don't high while you're sleeping, it's when you wake up or take a small dosage. Seems to me like you're the one who doesn't know what their talking about.
We also went over that his doctor was negligent, so I don't know why you're still going on rants about it.
Contrary to the belief you seem to be having, no one is hating Michael Jackson, most likely we all enjoy his work.
Hah, funny thing is I havent listened to him regularly for a while neither. A few months ago I went back and was watching a video and he was genuinely scared of a little tiny dog. At that point I really realized the poor guy definetly had some issues. That's just not an issue a grown man should have. Though don't think he ever did anything diabolical. You're sort of blind to these things when you're a big fan, it is like being in a cult.
You're exaggerating about the dog. You act like he ran to the other side of the room. If he hadnt narrated that he was afraid of dogs by looking at the clip, you wouldn't have known. He also had dogs during and after that time. Some people have phobias, nothing is wrong with that. I can't remember whose book it's in but Back when the ha skins stayed in Gary. MJ and one of the brothers were outside. A dog chased them, MJ was able to jump on the car and get away but his brother didn't and was bit pretty bad. I think Joe had to beat the dog to set the brother free. I want to say it was Marlon
I'm not exaggerating anything, I just repeated what the man himself said on camera and saw the video in reference.
Strange that you would bring up a dog, when Michael had HUGE snakes, lions and other animals that he was around on a DAILY basis. How strange that you conveniently bring up a dog. Hmmm, I say BS.
Which is what some of the zealots posting here don't get. I make one reference to dependency, and they went nuts even as they conceded the point he had a dependency. They forget that people who mentioned his dependency happened to love his music too.
Conrad Murray's role parallels that of George Nichopoulos, Elvis' physician. They were entrusted with the care of their patients, whose dependencies were growing more apparent, and neglected, if not enabled, those dependencies in the course of their care.
He developed a dependency and was ruled a victim of homicide by law.
Both are true.
You still CONVENIENTLY forget that with Michael there were NO OTHER drugs in Michael's body other than PROPOFOL. No pain killers, Nada. When Whitney died, they found the drugs that killed her in her system. When Prince died, they found the drugs that he was addicted to that killed him. When Michael died, they didn't find pain killers , they found the propofol that Murray used to help Michael sleep. IF Murray had not been a piece of shit and MONITORED Michael, he would have been alive now. If you had followed the murder's trial, you would know that. MJ fans know every transcript, every piece of evidence, every testimony, etc. We don't just talk out of our asses. We follow FACTS, not innuendo, hearsay or gossip in the murder of Michael. Bottomline is that Michael did NOT die from being addicted to drugs or a self imposed overdose;as much as some of you WANT that to be so, he died from a f#%*+#% incompetent doctor who did not watch/monitor him while was sedated.
No, we already wen't over that sleeping drugs can be abused and frequently are. And that propofol is a drug. Which is why after I said it last page, you decided to be admittedly crass and sarcastic and reply to something irrelevant entirely.
We are not speaking of sleeping drugs. We are speaking of PROPOFOL, an anesthetic. Btw, I am no more crass and insensitive than you. Your assertion that my reply is irrevalent, is your way of deflecting my very relevant FACTS, that are on record from the trial of the murderer, Conrad Murray.
I'm not exaggerating anything, I just repeated what the man himself said on camera and saw the video in reference.
Strange that you would bring up a dog, when Michael had HUGE snakes, lions and other animals that he was around on a DAILY basis. How strange that you conveniently bring up a dog. Hmmm, I say BS.
I only wrote about what he himself said on video and showed. Now if he himself is a liar, and didn't seem like it, then thats another behavior that speaks for itself.
No, we already wen't over that sleeping drugs can be abused and frequently are. And that propofol is a drug. Which is why after I said it last page, you decided to be admittedly crass and sarcastic and reply to something irrelevant entirely.
We are not speaking of sleeping drugs. We are speaking of PROPOFOL, an anesthetic. Btw, I am no more crass and insensitive than you. Your assertion that my reply is irrevalent, is your way of deflecting my very relevant FACTS, that are on record from the trial of the murderer, Conrad Murray.
Oh the irony. Today must be opposite day.
You're just playing a desperate game of semantics now.
I'm not exaggerating anything, I just repeated what the man himself said on camera and saw the video in reference.
Strange that you would bring up a dog, when Michael had HUGE snakes, lions and other animals that he was around on a DAILY basis. How strange that you conveniently bring up a dog. Hmmm, I say BS.
I only wrote about what he himself said on video and showed. Now if he himself is a liar, and didn't seem like it, then thats another behavior that speaks for itself.
I'm only pointing out your petty hypocrisy at bringing up the dog. What's your point? If you are going to bring up the dog, why not bring up that he ALSO seems very comfortable with other animals who a lot of people would not be comfortable with. IMO, your little point was to try and demean him. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and pettiness.
I think I've already given you the pleasure of having everything explained to you.
It called a conversation. Not everything discussed will be praise, not even about Prince.
I also notice you do this same behavior in other threads, so feel free to continue amongst yourself.
Its funny you say some of us are nasty but you are the one that has been nasty and narrow minded throughout this whole discussion. Even after you were corrected you still to choose to believe what you want.
I think I've already given you the pleasure of having everything explained to you.
It called a conversation. Not everything discussed will be praise, not even about Prince.
I also notice you do this same behavior in other threads, so feel free to continue amongst yourself.
Same behavior?? Do you mean that I challenge what people say when I don't agree. Surely, you know that we are not sheep and have to accept what you and others say? Why do you think that you can assert your opinion, alternative facts, innuendo, etc. and expect people to just sit up like a puppy and not challenge you. Btw, I don't expect everything to be praise about Michael. I am old enough and mature enough to know that is not reality. However, I do expect people who are going to disparage Michael to know at least some FACTS, and not just depend on innuendo, gossip, etc. [Edited 6/30/17 23:21pm]
I'm not exaggerating anything, I just repeated what the man himself said on camera and saw the video in reference.
Strange that you would bring up a dog, when Michael had HUGE snakes, lions and other animals that he was around on a DAILY basis. How strange that you conveniently bring up a dog. Hmmm, I say BS.
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He liked spiders too; I've seen a picture of MJ holding a tarantula!! So, he obviously was not afraid of dangerous/exotic animals/insects.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
Like I said the org hates Michael. I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.
Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website
And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'
Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website
And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'
MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.
Prince is usually disrespected far worse on this website
And I think MJ fans are more likely to diss Prince. No one tries to diss MJ's legacy but I see MJ fans try to shit on P all the time and try to make him out to be an outdated 'few hits wonder' type. It always becomes obvious many don't know anything about Prince except Purple Rain and 'the rivalry'
MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.
MJ fans never disrespectfully diss Prince on MJ sites. They never mock his death and always show him respect. Prince fans are very disrespectful toward MJ and don't listen to any of his albums after BAD.
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Let's put it this way: If someone makes a Kcool styled post glorifying Prince with the Princebonics and MJ-bashing, a good number of P fans are logical enough to set it straight. A lot of MJ fans are so wrapped up in the man only that I can't see them sticking up for Prince. A lot of his fans, on some scary shit, are beyond Beyonces fans when it comes to fanaticism.
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mjscarousal said: You are correct. What is it with the ignorance that some are spewing. Didn't these morons listen to the FACTS from the murderer, Conrad Murray's trial. Evidence showed that there were NO drugs in Michael's system except what that bastard Murray pumped into him. Michael didn't die from a dependency. He died because Murray didn't MONITOR him while he was sedated Anyone of us would die if we were sedated and weren't properly monitored. Murray allowed too much propofol to go into Michael. He murdered Michael because of neglect. Michael thighs that his life was safe in the hands of a heart doctor. Damn!!
They didn't read the autospy report nor watch the trial. They hate MJ and don't know all the specifcs. This is the same site that mocked his death, I don't take these people seriously. They want any excuse to slander MJ. MJ died at the hands of a negligent and incompetent doctor not because of a dependency or addiction. He didn't kill himself, someone killed him.
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Let them alone, they will keep saying that he was a drug addicted 'cause it suits their agendas.
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The fact of the matter is Michael was KILLED because his doctor was incompetent and negligent when administering Michael Propofol. He left out the room many times to make phone calls. He left Michael for hours and did not monitored him and he ended up giving MJ too much which caused him to overdose. This is the DOCTORS fault, nothing to do with Michael. 
I think its sad. You won't ever find MJ fans disrespecting Prince like this on MJ sites. You can't even put aside your bitterness to honor the man on the day he passed without being disrespectful and ignorant.
