mjscarousal said:

No thanks.

RJOrion said:

regarding hiphop...who cares about Grammys????...no REAL hiphop fan gives any credence to what Grammy does with their awards... weve known for years those awards are industry popularity contests for the puppets and puppet masters...fuck a grammy...

But because he has the most grammys for rapper (a commercial indicator of being the best) by definition he IS overrated. For crying out loud, Jay Z has more grammys than Prince, Marvin Gaye, MJ, etc. He is overrated, VERY overrated.

mjscarousal said:

namepeace said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Dasein said:

^

What do you make of my claim that he's the most overrated rapper of all time?

Off all the rappers in the history of the world you think HE is the most overrated?

Yep!

I gave my reasons in my first post.

RJOrion said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Dasein said: Off all the rappers in the history of the world you think HE is the most overrated?

Jay Z is nowhere near the most overrated rapper of all time..i agree he has fallen off (but in all fairness, how many 47 year old MCs you know?), but his legacy was cemented by his work from Reasonable Doubt, up until The Black Album, maybe even Kingdom Come....i can name SEVERAL far more "overrated rappers of all time" than Hov...

Eminem

Lil Wayne

Future

T.I.

Missy Elliott

Snoop Dogg

Outkast (both of them)

Andre 3000 is hardly overrated in my book; he's probably underrated. I think Eminem is a fantastic
rapper but, his flow is kinda annoying.

My favorite flow of all time is Biggie and then Andre 3000.

namepeace said:

Dasein said:

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What do you make of my claim that he's the most overrated rapper of all time?

His rep is inflated but I don't think he's the MOST overrated because in his prime his skills were legit. I prefer to think of him as LL 2.0.

I would take LL over Jay-Z in a heartbeat. Nas should be where Jay-Z is; Jay-Z is just savvier,
which is most unfortunate.

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

Jay Z stans boy I tell ya almost as worse as Beyonce stans. Ya'll don't know what real hip hop is.

Do you understand the definition of overrated?

No other rapper has as many Grammys as Jay Z.

Jay Z is the most critically acclaimed rapper.

And now he is being inducted in the Songwriters Hall of Fame OVER Madonna and George Michael

By definition, he IS the most overrated rapper. No other rapper has the acclaim and accolades he has and no he is not deserving of it, there are far more talented rappers than him before, during AND after his time.

Whats real Hip-Hop?

They are all way better than Jay and his so called "songwriting" There are more as well but these are just the main ones off the top of my head.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

They are all way better than Jay and his so called "songwriting" There are more as well but these are just the main ones off the top of my head.

So Jay ain't real Hip-Hop but Nas, Wu and DMX are? They are all off the same era.

Hip Hop is more than just an era and rapping. The above MC's embody hip hop more in their music and song lyrics than Jay Z and they are far more talented. Jay Z might be more critically acclaim (that is a fact) and he might be more commercially successful (that is also a fact) but he is not more legendary or influential than some of the above MC's and he damn sure ain't more talented. Being commercially successful doesn't mean you are the most talented.

mjscarousal said:

RJOrion said:

btw...im not a Jay z stan at all...Cam'ron was/is always my go to MC...never Camel...i just respect his status in the gsme...same way a New York Knick fan begrudgingly respects Michael Jordan...

So because the media says Jay Z is the best, that means he deserves respect?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

Hip Hop is more than just an era and rapping. The above MC's embody hip hop more in their music and song lyrics than Jay Z and they are far more talented. Jay Z might be more critically acclaim (that is a fact) and he might be more commercially successful (that is also a fact) but he is not more legendary or influential than some of the above MC's and he damn sure ain't more talented. Being commercially successful doesn't mean you are the most talented.

I know you don't like Jay, but stop it. This is from August 96 issue of Source. Before the fame, Beyonce, ect. His album gets 4 mics just like Nas'. That's his first album by the way. That album is usually considered ine of the most influential Hip-Hop albums of all-time. [Img]HtEnvNqcut1X_Co4jRfEdg.jpeg[/img]

I gotta give it to you babe, you stan for Jay Z like you on his pay roll. I gotta hand it to you I have never seen anything like it!

4:44 is now available to stream on Tidal.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

I gotta give it to you babe, you stan for Jay Z like you on his pay roll. I gotta hand it to you I have never seen anything like it!

I'm not even a Jay stan, Jay not even close to my favorite rapper. But I know this guy can rap and has some of the best Hip-Hop albums of all-time.

You throw a hissy fit every time someone calls him overrated. Objectively, he is overrated. If you are not a fan, why do you get so defensive? The bolded is YOUR opinion maybe if you listen to more real hip hop your mind might change.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

You throw a hissy fit every time someone calls him overrated. Objectively, he is overrated. If you are not a fan, why do you get so defensive? The bolded is YOUR opinion maybe if you listen to more real hip hop your mind might change.

Who's throwing a fit? And I'm a Hip-Hop head to the fullest. With your bias towards Jay-Z you probably think Kid n Play is better (no hate to Kid n Play.)

You asked me to show you what real hip hop is and I did. At this point, I don't think its going to matter what rapper I list or site as being more talented than JayZ. You have it made up in your mind that Jay Z is the best rapper.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

You asked me to show you what real hip hop is and I did. At this point, I don't think its going to matter what rapper I list or site as being more talented than JayZ. You have it made up in your mind that Jay Z is the best rapper.

Lol I just said like 2 post early Jay is no wear near my favorite rapper and I don't think he's the best. Your mind about Jay is more made up than mine is.

That is what you say...... but every time someone lists rappers that are stronger MCs, lyrist and overall artists that Jay Z you act like some Jay Z police patrol You say you are not a fan but you are reacting like an obsessed stan. If your not a stan, why get so defensive about him being called overated when he is overrated?

mjscarousal said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but check the lyrics on Caught Their Eyes. He namechecks the Prince estate situation: "I sat down with Prince, eye to eye/He told me his wishes before he died/Now, Londell McMillan, he must be color blind/They only see green from them purple eyes/They eyes hide, they eyes high/My eyes wide shut to all the lies/These industry niggas, they always been fishy/But ain't no Biggie, no lazy eye, huh/This guy a slave on his face/You think he wanted a master with his Masters?/You greedy bastards sold tickets to walk through his house/I'm surprised you ain't auction off the casket/Don't big bro me, don't big homie/I've seen pure admiration become rivals/I've been to Paris at least two times/I've seen the Eiffel, I've seen an eye full"

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I figured he'd save his POV for his music. I was curious to know what he thought of the whole estate situation.

Musicslave said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but check the lyrics on Caught Their Eyes. He namechecks the Prince estate situation: "I sat down with Prince, eye to eye/He told me his wishes before he died/Now, Londell McMillan, he must be color blind/They only see green from them purple eyes/They eyes hide, they eyes high/My eyes wide shut to all the lies/These industry niggas, they always been fishy/But ain't no Biggie, no lazy eye, huh/This guy a slave on his face/You think he wanted a master with his Masters?/You greedy bastards sold tickets to walk through his house/I'm surprised you ain't auction off the casket/Don't big bro me, don't big homie/I've seen pure admiration become rivals/I've been to Paris at least two times/I've seen the Eiffel, I've seen an eye full"

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I figured he'd save his POV for his music. I was curious to know what he thought of the whole estate situation.

I know nothing of JayZ's discography, but it is an interesting take and one that I'm sure a lot of people/fams had on their mind.