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Why is there no decent Sylvers collection available? There are about 5-6 different compilations with the same track list available that they keep putting out, from their later year. Only one compilation exist that features their early material, and that is OOP and usually runs from about $60. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I don't know if it's true or not, but I read somewhere that the original master tapes for their pre-Capitol albums were destroyed when one of the warehouses for that label burned down. If that's true, your best bet might be to buy used copies of those records. I think one of them was reissed a few years ago. If the fire really happened, they either had another master (maybe a 2nd generation) or copied a vinyl record. I know that's what they do with some 78rpm era releases, because before a certain year, recording tape hadn't been invented, so the 78s is the only source. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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Did other MGM / Pride tapes get destroyed or just the Sylvers? How did a 1973 Foster Sylvers album get remasted in 2014? Foster Sylvers catalog number PRD-0027 and The Sylvers II PRD-0026. I mean, I don't know how they're stored. If they're stored next to each other in order of catalog number, than that's weird that only one burned up. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I would guess many master tapes melted if the entire place burned down. I think the fire story was mentioned at either Gearslutz or Steve Hoffman. It was years ago I read this so don't remember. Who put out the Foster reissue? Some of those non-major label CD reissue companies do vinyl rips if the master can't be found. So whatever mastering is going to be limited. In some cases they might have the master for the album, but the bonus material like remixes might come from a record. Some reissues are not remastered, even if they do get it from the original tapes. There's different level of remastering too. Like more money & time is going to be spent on remastering Beatles stuff than Millie Jackson as there's a bigger audience that's going to buy The Beatles. So the label is more likely to recuperate the cost of remastering. There's also remasters that just make the sound louder and these sometimes sound distorted (loudness wars). You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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There also needs to be a definitive SOLAR Records box set. Complete w/previously unreleased material, videos, etc etc. | |
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LittleBLUECorvette said: There are about 5-6 different compilations with the same track list available that they keep putting out, from their later year. Only one compilation exist that features their early material, and that is OOP and usually runs from about $60. 1. The Sylvers' manager own the rights to their music...pre-Solar. If I'm not mistaken the Sylevers' may not have "ownership" of their own name. 2. Leon Sylvers said, the rumor about the groups master's being destroyed in a fire isn't true. If recall during their Unsung episode, the Sylvers mentioned they were attempting to get their music back. Unless they have deep pockets to pay lawyers, I doubt if they've been successful or can afford to do so. There's a lot of music out of print. People are willing to pay a sub for streaming... I suspect a vast majority of music setting on record company shelves will never see the light of day. ===== [Edited 6/14/17 14:27pm] | |
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Sylvers 3 albums for MGM/Pride: To be frank the albums sound are mediocre to bad. One wondered if Sylvers recorded those albums using a Radio Shack (RIP) mic and cassette tape.
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The way they were recorded and mastered have a muffled sound to them. Would have been nice to Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I ended up doing my own 16/44 bit needledrops of their Pride/MGM albums and they sounded excellent. I did my own mixing and sound editing in post-production as well. Just so happens that those three albums are quite hard-to-find and expensive, based on their value and reputation among collectors and DJs. [Edited 6/14/17 10:31am] Check me out and add me on:
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I believe you because I only have the vinyl copies of Wish That i Can Talk To You and Misdemeanor....My vinyl / mp3 copy someone sent to me sounded muddy too so I am assuming Pride Releases just sound that way. So send them to me lol. Yeah much of the Pride Record collections are rare / hard to find until they merged to MGM & Casablanca. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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I purchase some sound software a couple of years ago: I've still haven't gotten around to... attempting to clean up the sound on my Sylvers' trio. Maybe someday,
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because one hit does not a "collection" make. | |
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If that's the case, how come Tiny Tim has a 3 CD box set, which includes unreleased demos? You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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datdude said: because one hit does not a "collection" make. They had more than 1. Three top 20 pop hits. Nine top 20 R&B hits. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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And for a million dollar one chance prize to name another song besides Hotline, 98.8 percent of ppl FAIL. 1% is family (immediate, first cousins), .2% fans who overrate the memorability of their catalogue | |
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datdude said: And for a million dollar one chance prize to name another song besides Hotline, 98.8 percent of ppl FAIL. 1% is family (immediate, first cousins), .2% fans who overrate the memorability of their catalogue You can say that for almost every artist besides a mere few. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I beg to differ. But the OP seems to answer itself | |
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Wild Cherry had one big hit ("Play That Funky Music" in 1976) and yet they have a few compilations available.I'm just saying | |
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Iggy Pop had no big hits in Billboard and he has several compilations too. Bob Marley didn't have any Top 40 hits either. The closest he came to having a big hit in Billboard is from a remake by Eric Clapton. Yet Bob has all kinds of compilations, deluxe albums, and box sets. His biggest selling album is a compilation called Legend. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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yes the legend has it that the "Pride Records" tapes were destroyed. the 1st single was produced by Jerry Butler. However that is usually the story with a lot of master tapes. for instance Mainline by Black Ivory was said to have been destroyed. And a lot of the material that went with it. Who knows man who really knows. [Edited 6/16/17 4:41am] | |
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Led Zeppelin has just one more top 20 pop hit than the Sylvers. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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In this respect... there's a wrinkle in this story is who owns what. If I recall in the Sylvers' Unsung episode unbeknownst to the family, they'd signed there rights over to their manager. This isn't a simple question of the record labels have the power to give a thumbs up or down, is depends on the person or persons who own the Sylvers' discography.
To LBC point.
1. Jazz Greats: Box-Sets of Sarah Vaughan (who had 2 top 50 songs) Dinah Washington (who had only one number #1 hit, "What A Difference A Day Makes") Kenny Dorham, Clark Terry, Bill Evans, and countless of other well known and "obscure" jazz musicians have had box sets. Folk/Blues/R&B singer/songwriter/guitar player Tah Mahal has recorded an album every year since 1968, no number one hits... I doubt that Mahal has every cracked the top 100. Yet, his box-set came out a couple of years ago. As far as charts who gets on the charts and at what ranking... I think by now a lot of people assume its whomever the recorded companies wanted to chart.
2. The majority of the music recorded by US musicians are sitting on record companies shelves out of print..... for decades. When "free downloading" was a live and well that material was download by millions, Napster proved that. Some folks never learn, now kids stream and some people just don't bother to purchase anything at all or the still find music via torrents. Downloading free music hasn't gone anywhere folks.
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^^There's also reissue labels like Numero Group & Light In The Attic that put out compilations & album re-releases by obscure performers. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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datdude said: And for a million dollar one chance prize to name another song besides Hotline, 98.8 percent of ppl FAIL. 1% is family (immediate, first cousins), .2% fans who overrate the memorability of their catalogue
Boogie Fever and that was even a platinum seller plus...High School Dance..Wish That I Could Talk To You. The Sylvers might not ring a bell off hand but the family did turn out a catalogue that's stood the test of time. [Edited 6/17/17 12:36pm] [Edited 6/17/17 12:37pm] | |
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Tiny Tim's only Top 40 hit Tiptoe Thru' The Tulips With Me reached #17 and he has a box set. You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton | |
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I know nobody asked, but here are my favorite Sylvers Tunes:
That's What Love Is Made Of
New Horizons
P. S. (The Unfinished Letter)
We Can Make it If We Try
Only One Can Win
Wish That I Could Talk To You
I Remember
Be My Love
Wish You Were Here
Forever Yours
Don't Give Up The Good Life
What's It All About
Just A Little Bit Longer
Cry of A Dreamer
Yesterday
You Turn Me On
Let My Love Shine In
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I found this sotry about a Black Ivory master tape by Patrick Adams on soulfuldetroit, saying that the original "You And I" master contained water damage by being left in the managers basement smh. Wonder what else was stored in there smh. That's why that re-release had that bunk drum machine version on it and not the original.
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Mickey lives in a wrecka stow. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Yup, a lot of that stuff is either "GONE" or left to die somewhere in a basement it sucks really | |
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Yep a lot of those are vinyl rips done in flacs or 320 mp3 or even wav files that is how most of them got done | |
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