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Billboard: Rihanna has Surpassed Becoming the Black Madonna

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"I want to be the black Madonna."

Ten years ago, Robyn Rihanna Fenty made that bold declaration to PAPER. In doing so, the Bad Gal had already set the wheels in motion for accomplishing that aspiration -- in spirit of the Material Girl, she got the critics talking.

There’s been a running list of pop acts prior to (and after) Rihanna’s revelation who’ve expressed a desire to match Madge. But Rihanna’s claim in particular held more conviction, as it was already on its way to becoming a reality. At the time of that article’s publication, “Umbrella” had started the last frame of its seven week reign in the penthouse of the Billboard Hot 100. Its parent album, Good Girl Gone Bad -- which turns 10 this week (May 30 for international release, June 5 in The U.S.) -- had dropped not even two months earlier, with plenty more hits still to spin off. The Good Girl era became a universally recognized moment where RiRi solidified her position as an international superstar, her signature bob haircut and newly seductive stage persona captivating fans and press.

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It would have been easier for a then nineteen-year-old Rihanna to continue down the Janet Jackson lane of razor-sharp, step-by-perfect-step choreography combined with a sultrier sex appeal, as her often compared R&B contemporaries Beyoncé and Ciara have done. And there’s no denying the impact Ms. Janet-If-You’re-Nasty has made on the earlier sprinkles of Rihanna’s career -- after all, Janet Jackson was one of the first torch bearers for black female empowerment in MTV era pop; an alternative on equal footing to Madonna. But Rihanna's ambitious pining for a Madonna-level success required laser focus and unconventional risk taking.

In order for one to accomplish being a Madonna, she has to be a Queen of Pop, matching the original’s sales and records. She has to understand the importance of evolving musically and aesthetically with each project -- and even those changes need to be clearly distinct, generate conversations about society’s latest taboos, and read as authentic. A Madonna has to assume the role of a commander standing at the frontlines for womanhood and the controversial complexities of human sexuality, despite the inevitable backlash to ensue. She has to be a trend-setter and muse for producers and songwriters, fashion designers and Hollywood directors alike. She has to be outspoken with her best intentions at heart, and every time she speaks everyone has to pay attention (even if they dislike what she says or don’t want to acknowledge it). Most importantly, a Madonna has to be a role model -- especially when nobody, even herself, would actually think to describe her as one.

This year, Katy Perry recognized Beyoncé as “our modern-day Michael Jackson.” If we’re analyzing careers of today’s pop stars based on the trajectory of previous generations, then Rihanna’s trailblazing in music, fashion, visual media, and philanthropy sets her as the Madge to Bey’s MJ. Modify Madonna’s name with “black,” and now we’re truly describing "a living, breathing legend" of Caribbean descent, who manages to be a trusted crusader for the black culture, ready to broadcast to the world the issues existing within the community. In the ten years since Good Girl Gone Bad’s release, Rihanna has done more than just fit that role, she’s surpassed it to establish her own iconicity.

Here's how Rihanna finessed her way into such a supremely influential role in today's music scene and pop culture.

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The Black Madonna of Recorded Music

The beauty of Rihanna as the “Black Madonna of Music” is her ability to hop around genres, effortlessly waltzing from one scene to another. It's practically impossible to find a genre that RiRi hasn’t owned: EDM, pop, doo-wop soul, hip-hop, country, and hard rock, just to name a few. There’ve been countless times where black artists have been pigeonholed to the "urban" lanes of hip-hop and R&B, mainly because of those genres’ black-dominated roots. Rihanna has managed to be that scene’s leader (especially in this digital era) -- she didn’t earn the title of “Princess of Hip-Hop & R&B” for nothing -- while also defying categorizations and expectations with 14 Hot 100 No. 1’s (besting Madonna’s 12), 30 top ten hits (only eight behind the Material Girl’s record), and two summit-reaching LPs on the Billboard 200.

Her keen awareness for musical trends around the world -- including the dancehall of& her native Barbados -- has constantly shifted the shape of American music. For instance, Good Girlsuccessor, Rated R (2009) -- a potpourri of genres in itself -- features production from dubstep producers such as London’s Chase & Status. Rihanna’s dabbling with the bass heavy techno sounds of dubstep on “Wait Your Turn” and “Rockstar 101” ushered in a wave of dub-pop hits ;including Britney Spears’ “Hold It Against Me” (2011) and Taylor Swift’s “I Knew You Were Trouble” (2012).

Meanwhile, 2012’s Unapologetic aided the rise of Future-centric trap&B before Beyoncé was “Drunk In Love” (2013) or feeling “7/11” (2014). And with the infectious success of her No. 2 peaking debut single “Pon De Replay,” (2005) and multi-week No. 1s “Rude Boy” (2010) and “Work” (2016), Rihanna’s transformed into a "Dancehall Queen" -- with Drake, Sia, and Justin Bieber all owing a debt of gratitude for their own Caribbean-flavored Hot 100-toppers.

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Rihanna at her 8th album artwork reveal for "ANTI" at MAMA Gallery on October 7, 2015 in Los Angeles.

Like Madonna, Rihanna also exceeds at unapologetically pushing the envelope with her music’s lyrical and thematic content -- she’s a storyteller for those lacking a voice and an instructor for those a little curious. The upbeat spontaneity of Ri’s AOTY-nominated Loud (2010), as well as the candidness of its follow up Talk That Talk (2011) matches the sexual liberation exhibited on a pair of Madge's '92 releases, her controversial Sex book and the boundary-pushing Erotica album. Known for answering critics through song, the Bad Gal responded to Juicy J’s “Bandz A Make Her Dance” with “Pour It Up” (2012), making for one of the first instances where a stripper’s money-minded consciousness was delivered from a feminine point of view, in a world often afflicted with misogynistic framing and the male gaze.

This all led up to the empowering allure of her magnum opus Anti (2016), which worked as a glitchy love letter representing the heartbroken still capable of living their life to the fullest (with or without a significant other). The album’s lead single “Work” -- a song masterfully incorporating double-entendres while subtly delivering a “Chained To The Rhythm”-esque message about the monotony of society’s daily routines -- was frank in emphasizing Ri’s patois and dancehall club culture, to the dismay of the culturally ignorant.

The commercial progression of Anti -- the first LP to be released on Rihanna's imprint Westbury Road Entertainment -- is an interesting tale of its own. It's an album that critics struggled to grasp at first, NPR calling it a "cultural resistance." The record still managed to go platinum in less than two days thanks to a Samsung giveaway to her fans. And it provided five platinum singles -- one of them being a bonus track -- and two more top 10 hits. Yet despite these feats, Chance The Rapper felt compelled to tweet "Rihanna's Anti is underrated. Don't @ me.," after many felt the album was snubbed of an album of the year nomination at the 2017 Grammys. Instead, her viral flask drinking moments fittingly stole the show -- serving as a symbolic victory party for an album that fulfilled its wish of being timeless.

The Black Madonna of Music Videos

Having to push past the label of “quintessential island girl from the Barbados" dancing to riddims in front of her country's trident, Rihanna made her “black Madonna” claim when referring to her music videos’ aesthetics. The visual for “Umbrella” was the first to accomplish an edgy, sexier look for the singer -- her posing in silver body paint serving as an homage to Madonna’s look in 1992’s “Fever”. Nine years after “Umbrella” won the first of Ri’s two video of the year moonmen at the MTV VMAs, she’d be honored with the prestigious Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award. Tellingly, Madge was the first female to receive that honor 20 years prior, in 1986.

Both ladies’ videos are embellished by elaborate costume choices, provocative dance moves, and timely political messages. For Madonna, one of her most memorable looks is the cone bra in “Vogue,” which was subsequently reinvented multiple times in pop, Rihanna’s bejeweled pasty bra (paired with a denim g-string and curly blonde Marilyn Monroe wig) in “Pour It Up” being one of the more flattering imitations. Rihanna has spearheaded the popularization, and subsequent reclamation, of black culture phenomena in her videos, including twerking. In true Madonna fashion, Rihanna’s also managed to get banned in multiple countries for conjuring up latex and bondage in tabloid-engaging “S&M,” and courted enough controversy with the rape-avenging plot line of “Man Down” that Gabrielle Union was spurred to stand up in her defense.

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Rihanna "We Found Love" ft. Calvin Harris

Throughout her videography, Rihanna has proven her ability to transform with chameleonic results. Her pop-rock/glam looks offered in “Shut Up And Drive” completely contrast the fiery red Caribbean prowess of “What’s My Name,” which appears stark in comparison to the blonde Clockwork Orange stoner portrayed in “You Da One”. Over time, Rihanna’s upped the ante on her art form, offering short cinematic stunners for her other video of the year Moonman recipient, the Melina Matsoukas-directed “We Found Love” (highlighting a dark part of her past), and the NSFW murder-revenge of “Bitch Better Have My Money”. It’s no wonder Rihanna is the most viewed woman on YouTube, as 28 of her account's videos have all amassed over 100 million views each -- “Diamonds” being her most watched at over 1 billion (the Eminem-duet "Love The Way You Lie" and the Calvin Harris-orchestrated "This Is What You Came For" also surpassing the billion-count).

The Black Madonna of Fashion

From her jet black bob to a show-stopping Chinese Imperial robe-gown which took two years to design, to denim thigh high Manolo B... to a belt -- as one of fashion's latest trailblazing clothing and jewelry designers, perfume and accessories moguls, and style mavens -- Rihanna has always amazed from head to toe with her daring fashion choices and creations, earning respect from the elite.

The Hair

While Madonna has chopped her signature locks multiple times, she’s been dusted by her pupil, who's known for stepping out with a different colored hairdo practically every week. This in itself is symbolic of the importance hair has in the black community: When Rihanna accepted her Icon Award at the 2013 American Music Awards, her doobie wrap and bobby pin hairstyle caused an uproar, but signified a shift in perspective on a traditionally, heavily criticized look. Rihanna’s pro-black hair narrative was only strengthened with the promo photos and appearances for ANTi, including bantu knots and dreadlocks -- during an oversaturated period of white artists and celebrities sporting the styles, as they were accused of appropriating.

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Rihanna attends the iHeartRadio Music Awards held at the Shrine Auditorium on May 1, 2014.

The Clothes

Whenever she steps on the red carpet or struts on the streets, Rihanna pauses the known universe with glamour and sporty authenticity. A powerful statement that Rihanna has made amidst her modeling of oversized garments and colorful gowns was her outfit choice for the 2014 CFDA ceremony: In the thick of the #FreeTheNipple campaign (Instagram's accidental ban of @badgalriri for her topless Lui magazine cover adding to the fight) and the emergence of #BlackGirlMagic (a movement celebrating black women), she opted to accept her Fashion Icon award in a Swarovski crystal Adam Selman gown, exposing her areolas and flaunting her flawless curves, an homage to the style of Josephine Baker.

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Rihanna attends the 2014 CFDA fashion awards at Alice Tully Hall, Lincoln Center on June 2, 2014 in New York City.

The Shoes

With her creative director role for Puma and occasional collabs with acclaimed shoe designer Manolo Blahnik, Rihanna has brought swag to the sneakers', heels' and sandals' game. Jelly sliders from childhood, Fenty Puma sneakers with a satin bow, and the platformed Creepers are simply a taste of the footwear offered by the superstar. Her Savage collection for Blahnik consists of Fallon booties, a revamp of the designer’s Pop Culture staple the Manolo Blahnik Timbs, an essential heel for the rhythmic divas of the aughts. None of this is too far of a reach from her idol, who came out with her own Truth or Dare shoeline in 2012.

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Rihanna is seen on the runway during FENTY PUMA by Rihanna Fall / Winter 2017 Collection at Bibliotheque Nationale de France on March 6, 2017 in Paris, France.

The Black Madonna of Visual and Social Media

As one of the most followed individuals on Twitter and Instagram, Rihanna has turned her social media platforms into a vision board for top execs in Hollywood. All it took was a viral photo and fantasized plotline of the star and Oscar-winner Lupita Nyong’o at a fashion show for Black Twitter to convince Ava DuVernay to direct, Issa Rae to screenwrite, and Netflix to order a film starring the two. This attests to the clout Rihanna’s developed as an actress -- her upcoming role in the all-female ensemble Ocean’s 8 alongside the likes Sandra Bullock, Cate Blanchett, and Anne Hathaway reminiscent of Madonna’s draw in female-centric films of the 80’s, like the cult-classic comedy Desperately Seeking Susan.

On her acting, Bates Motel executive producer Carlton Cuse said, “[Rihanna] has enormous charisma. I think it’s no accident that any number of singers have successfully transitioned into acting. Among my personal favorites are Barbra Streisand and Frank Sinatra.” The entertainer managed to add her @badgalriri charm to Marion Crane, transforming Janet Leigh’s iconic Psycho character into a modern-day badass and independent woman who actually managed to escape her fatal destiny.

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Rihanna as Marion Crane in A&E's Bates Motel.

But the most compelling visual media moment from the black Madonna is when she shared an Instagram pic of a young girl smiling next to a poster of Tip, an adventurous little girl Rihanna voiced over in 2015's animated film Home. She captioned the post “why we do this,” as the girl was proud to be standing next to a character that looked identical to her, a rare experience for most black children growing up on Hollywood films.

The Black Madonna of Philanthropy

Rihanna has always been reluctant to be seen as a role model -- granted, the hesitancy largely stemmed from critics judging the star’s personal life, including a controversial rekindled romance with Chris Brown. As the icon grew older and wiser, she’s given back. From her VIVA Mac Glam lipstick line helping to benefit the MAC Aids Fund to her annual Diamond Ball fundraiser for the Clara Lionel Foundation -- an organization named after her grandparents to support underprivileged communities in health, education and art -- Rihanna's charitable efforts hit close to Madonna's early AIDS research efforts and ties to organizations such as UNICEF.

As she received the Humanitarian of the Year Award at Harvard University, RiRI reflected "I would say to myself, 'When I grow up and I get rich, I'm gonna save kids all over the world.' I just didn't know I would be in a position to do that by the time I was a teenager," this year.

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Rihanna honored with Humanitarian of Year at the Harvard Foundation on Feb. 28, 2017.

Rihanna finally admitting to being a role model while receiving honors at the 2016 Black Girls Rock!, bringing everything full circle. The moment felt like it belonged to a black Madonna, who's proven that she can defy odds like her idol. That night she expressed, "Tonight is so important to me because I think I can inspire a lot of young women to be themselves and that is half the battle... That is it. Just be yourself, it's the easiest thing to be. All girls rock. Black girls, we just on another level."

In other words, all black women are capable of being trailblazing rock stars, who manage to play by their own rules and cross over the borderline of societal barriers.

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Rihanna in the video for "Needed Me."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7809391/rihanna-good-girl-gone-bad-anniversary-black-madonna

[Edited 6/1/17 18:25pm]

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Reply #1 posted 06/01/17 6:41pm

luvsexy4all

u mean someone else who sold out and also shows us her tits???

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Reply #2 posted 06/01/17 8:07pm

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Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

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Reply #3 posted 06/02/17 2:38am

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Why can't Rihanna be the next Rihanna.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #4 posted 06/02/17 3:36am

TheFman

She has nicer tits than Madonna, but there it ends, i still know only 1 song of her....

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Reply #5 posted 06/02/17 4:45am

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No comparison to the "effect" Madonna had and influence. Everyone of today is trying to hang there had on being the "new" of yesterdays icons, PROBLEM is that music does not sell like that anymore in anyway ALSO Music is not the "THING" in everyones life like it was. Music used to have no competition, now it has to find a place alongside cell phone bills, video games, apps, and 100 other things that occupy people today, so Rihanna is what she is to todays world but it is nowhere in the ballpark of what Madonna was to that era. Just like Nicki or Drake having more chart entries than the Beatles is about the stupidest reference I have ever heard. There are people (many) that cant even name a Drake song in the world.


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Reply #6 posted 06/02/17 5:02am

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rdhull said:

Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

While Anti was a step in the right direction for her, it's not enough to be calling her the black Madonna. The one thing Rihanna truly has over Madge (besides being sexier) is vocal ability but otherwise, Riri doesn't stack up.

People need to stop it with these comparisons because 99.99% of the time they don't add up. There is no "new Michael Jackson", there is no "new Prince", there is no "new Madonna" despite some uncanny similarities; people don't seem to realize the more today's acts get compared to the legends of the past, the worse they look in comparison. With every "new [insert name of musical legend from the past here]", we have an act who is pigeonholed into the shadow(s) of their predecessors.

Also notice how nearly whenever these comparisons are made with pop artists, the past name is from the 80's. Hmmm... I wonder why?
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Reply #7 posted 06/02/17 5:38am

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purplethunder3121 said:

Why can't Rihanna be the next Rihanna.

Exactly. Thank you very much

No comparison to the "effect" Madonna had and influence. Everyone of today is trying to hang there had on being the "new" of yesterdays icons, PROBLEM is that music does not sell like that anymore in anyway ALSO Music is not the "THING" in everyones life like it was. Music used to have no competition, now it has to find a place alongside cell phone bills, video games, apps, and 100 other things that occupy people today, so Rihanna is what she is to todays world but it is nowhere in the ballpark of what Madonna was to that era. Just like Nicki or Drake having more chart entries than the Beatles is about the stupidest reference I have ever heard. There are people (many) that cant even name a Drake song in the world.

Also Rihanna's chart entries would certainly look alot less impressive if you take out all those collabs (Eminem, Drake, Calvin Harris, Jay-Z, Kanye etc....). On the other hand Madonna didn't do/need to do so many for her chart entries.

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Reply #8 posted 06/02/17 1:15pm

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so if Rihanna is this generation's (black) Madonna,does that mean that Beyonce is this generations's (female) Michael Jackson? nuts lol

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Reply #9 posted 06/02/17 1:22pm

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Why are MJ, Prince and Madonna always the reference when it comes to pop music? Beyoncé is the new Beyoncé, Rihanna is the new Rihanna, Bruno is the new Bruno... these media outlets are just trying to conceptualize what can't be put into a concept: The "new" thing.

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Reply #10 posted 06/02/17 1:23pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

rdhull said:

Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

While Anti was a step in the right direction for her, it's not enough to be calling her the black Madonna. The one thing Rihanna truly has over Madge (besides being sexier) is vocal ability but otherwise, Riri doesn't stack up. People need to stop it with these comparisons because 99.99% of the time they don't add up. There is no "new Michael Jackson", there is no "new Prince", there is no "new Madonna" despite some uncanny similarities; people don't seem to realize the more today's acts get compared to the legends of the past, the worse they look in comparison. With every "new [insert name of musical legend from the past here]", we have an act who is pigeonholed into the shadow(s) of their predecessors. Also notice how nearly whenever these comparisons are made with pop artists, the past name is from the 80's. Hmmm... I wonder why?

exactly.

I'm sure people said Prince was the new George Clinton/Sly Stone, or MJ was the new James Brown... but media never made headlines about it... it was just a genuine remark.

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MotownSubdivision said:

rdhull said:

Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

While Anti was a step in the right direction for her, it's not enough to be calling her the black Madonna.

I'm not even considering that. Shes not the black anything. She's simply Rihanna. And I dig her. Madonna is corny to me.

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Reply #12 posted 06/02/17 2:32pm

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Shawy89 said:

Why are MJ, Prince and Madonna always the reference when it comes to pop music? Beyoncé is the new Beyoncé, Rihanna is the new Rihanna, Bruno is the new Bruno... these media outlets are just trying to conceptualize what can't be put into a concept: The "new" thing.

Because they are legends. lol Those comparisons need to end though...it's getting old and tired.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #13 posted 06/02/17 8:46pm

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https://www.facebook.com/...adonnachi/ has 77k followers.
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Too late lol.
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Rihanna is Rihanna, tbh at this point she might soon start becoming worrie about someone else becoming the new Rihanna. biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 06/02/17 9:13pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

Why can't Rihanna be the next Rihanna.

yeahthat and what's next?...... is she the next Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross or Donna Summers??? I don't think so hmph! These comparisons are stupid rolleyes

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Reply #15 posted 06/03/17 8:15am

mjscarousal

Shawy89 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

rdhull said: While Anti was a step in the right direction for her, it's not enough to be calling her the black Madonna. The one thing Rihanna truly has over Madge (besides being sexier) is vocal ability but otherwise, Riri doesn't stack up. People need to stop it with these comparisons because 99.99% of the time they don't add up. There is no "new Michael Jackson", there is no "new Prince", there is no "new Madonna" despite some uncanny similarities; people don't seem to realize the more today's acts get compared to the legends of the past, the worse they look in comparison. With every "new [insert name of musical legend from the past here]", we have an act who is pigeonholed into the shadow(s) of their predecessors. Also notice how nearly whenever these comparisons are made with pop artists, the past name is from the 80's. Hmmm... I wonder why?

exactly.

I'm sure people said Prince was the new George Clinton/Sly Stone, or MJ was the new James Brown... but media never made headlines about it... it was just a genuine remark.

Prince and MJ were never compared to their predecessors....

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Reply #16 posted 06/03/17 8:17am

mjscarousal

purplethunder3121 said:

Shawy89 said:

Why are MJ, Prince and Madonna always the reference when it comes to pop music? Beyoncé is the new Beyoncé, Rihanna is the new Rihanna, Bruno is the new Bruno... these media outlets are just trying to conceptualize what can't be put into a concept: The "new" thing.

Because they are legends. lol Those comparisons need to end though...it's getting old and tired.

Exactly, they are the standard, no one out now has topped what they have done. I actually would be annoyed if I was constantly compared to an artist that came out 40 years ago before me but some of these artists revel in it (for whatever reason) Alot of their camps release these PR articles comparing these artists to legends, Beyonce's PR team is famous for doing this. So its not ALL on the media.

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Reply #17 posted 06/04/17 7:37am

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rdhull said:

Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

Still one of the best albums that came out last year.

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Reply #18 posted 06/04/17 8:33am

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smoothcriminal12 said:

rdhull said:

Since/because of Anti, she can do no wrong in my book.

Still one of the best albums that came out last year.

Agreed. I came way late to it and only discovered it this year.

<--plays Same Ol' Mistakes fo breakfast

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Reply #19 posted 06/04/17 6:41pm

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I need a couple more albums but I like her more than before. However home girl need to work on her live shows. I've watched two of them and her stage Performances suck compared to Madonna shows.
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Reply #20 posted 06/04/17 6:46pm

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Love On The Brain and Higher are great.

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Reply #21 posted 06/05/17 1:14am

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Close, but no.

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Reply #22 posted 06/05/17 8:45am

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The longer she's been around, the more I'm realising how MANY hits she has, and how her style has changed so much over the years. I just want her to write more of her OWN music!

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Reply #23 posted 06/05/17 9:32am

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"Borderline" is on the radio right now, and there are no songs from Rihanna that make me feel like that.

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Reply #24 posted 06/05/17 10:11am

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Cinny said:

"Borderline" is on the radio right now, and there are no songs from Rihanna that make me feel like that.


Damn sad
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Reply #25 posted 06/05/17 1:40pm

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Cinny said:

"Borderline" is on the radio right now, and there are no songs from Rihanna that make me feel like that.

nod Vongue, Frozen or Justify My Love even. If anything... Madonnas recent work has sound more like something Rihanna would take on.

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Reply #26 posted 06/10/17 12:48pm

214

Umbrella is still her best song, such a great one.

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Reply #27 posted 06/10/17 5:09pm

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Shawy89 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

rdhull said: While Anti was a step in the right direction for her, it's not enough to be calling her the black Madonna. The one thing Rihanna truly has over Madge (besides being sexier) is vocal ability but otherwise, Riri doesn't stack up. People need to stop it with these comparisons because 99.99% of the time they don't add up. There is no "new Michael Jackson", there is no "new Prince", there is no "new Madonna" despite some uncanny similarities; people don't seem to realize the more today's acts get compared to the legends of the past, the worse they look in comparison. With every "new [insert name of musical legend from the past here]", we have an act who is pigeonholed into the shadow(s) of their predecessors. Also notice how nearly whenever these comparisons are made with pop artists, the past name is from the 80's. Hmmm... I wonder why?

exactly.

I'm sure people said Prince was the new George Clinton/Sly Stone, or MJ was the new James Brown... but media never made headlines about it... it was just a genuine remark.


Yeah but Michael, Prince, and Madonna did what they could be different from other artists. It's VERY heard to do that through music as every chord was played before the mid 1950's. As Classical, Religious, and Jazz ensembles. Trust me on this, so when the drum machines and keyboards and other instruments came out it helped Prince move into his own lane which was weird when he started downing it especially after Purple Rain. Michael fast pace dancing, breaking, tapping without tap shoes, ballerina toe stands, spins, and improvising all these dance styles into his own made him stand out and move away from James Brown. Madonna hmmm ummm, sex acts...lol no i'm playing madonna my first woman crush with Borderline being my favorite song. But Madonna fans I need help please help me. But Prince wasn't the greatest musician nor was Michael the greatest dancer and neither was MAdonna the most women rights pushing artist. Please don't say Madonna did nothing for women rights. But 1985-1993 madonna coulda got it lol until the Lord of beauty introduced me to Vanessa Williams and Halle Berry. Pam Grier was old enough to be my mom, but lawd she was still fine in the 90's. Ok but on topic sorry.

Now Beyonce should be called queen of singles and the art of SCREAM singing and Riri should be called the queen of controversy. I won't say nothing about Riri because I like her, her eyes and edgy attitude with her accent is a sexy thing to me. Love strong independent women that can take care themselves as a woman. You can't be weak and make it in life otherwise this world will swallow you up.

Also Prince was compared most to Jimi Hendrix as george was just hitting his strive but considered scary and weird especially in Miami, FL. Sly Stone I rarely hear people compare Prince to him. Must be the multiple instruments thing. As I've seen Sly stone play at a Miami Beach function and was jamming from keyboard, to all guitars, trumpet, drums, and some more instruments. When he finished Uncle Luke them got on stage screaming pop that pu$$y pop pop that pu$$y. Only in Miami lol

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Reply #28 posted 06/10/17 10:54pm

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Shawy89 said:

exactly.

I'm sure people said Prince was the new George Clinton/Sly Stone, or MJ was the new James Brown... but media never made headlines about it... it was just a genuine remark.


Yeah but Michael, Prince, and Madonna did what they could be different from other artists. It's VERY heard to do that through music as every chord was played before the mid 1950's. As Classical, Religious, and Jazz ensembles. Trust me on this, so when the drum machines and keyboards and other instruments came out it helped Prince move into his own lane which was weird when he started downing it especially after Purple Rain. Michael fast pace dancing, breaking, tapping without tap shoes, ballerina toe stands, spins, and improvising all these dance styles into his own made him stand out and move away from James Brown. Madonna hmmm ummm, sex acts...lol no i'm playing madonna my first woman crush with Borderline being my favorite song. But Madonna fans I need help please help me. But Prince wasn't the greatest musician nor was Michael the greatest dancer and neither was MAdonna the most women rights pushing artist. Please don't say Madonna did nothing for women rights. But 1985-1993 madonna coulda got it lol until the Lord of beauty introduced me to Vanessa Williams and Halle Berry. Pam Grier was old enough to be my mom, but lawd she was still fine in the 90's. Ok but on topic sorry.

Now Beyonce should be called queen of singles and the art of SCREAM singing and Riri should be called the queen of controversy. I won't say nothing about Riri because I like her, her eyes and edgy attitude with her accent is a sexy thing to me. Love strong independent women that can take care themselves as a woman. You can't be weak and make it in life otherwise this world will swallow you up.

Also Prince was compared most to Jimi Hendrix as george was just hitting his strive but considered scary and weird especially in Miami, FL. Sly Stone I rarely hear people compare Prince to him. Must be the multiple instruments thing. As I've seen Sly stone play at a Miami Beach function and was jamming from keyboard, to all guitars, trumpet, drums, and some more instruments. When he finished Uncle Luke them got on stage screaming pop that pu$$y pop pop that pu$$y. Only in Miami lol

nod Thank you, this is why they werent compared to other artists because they were unique and original. Todays mediocre pop stars are not unique which is why they get compared to artists that came before them.

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Reply #29 posted 06/11/17 10:13am

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I like Rihanna a lot (in the current pop/R&B musical landscape) but being a kid from the 1980's, it is unfair to her to compare her to Madonna. Madonna had really good ALBUMS, which Rihanna never had (IMO) until her most recent one. Rihanna has carved a really good niche among her peers seeing that she has had Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, Beyonce,and Adele and others to compete with annually. Similarly, Madonna had fierce competition in the 1980's/1990's from Janet Jackson,Mariah Carey, and Whitney Houston.

Maybe it's nostalgia talking, but social media/Youtube/music distribution have diluted the "impact" to some degree. The newer artists make it a point to be on their Twitter, Instagram , and other accounts hourly, so fans are more heavily vested in the artist brand. Rihanna (i believe) is the most successful singles artist of this era and not shockingly, has one of the largest social media followings.

Does social media equal better record sales? Perhaps, but Rihanna's pervasiveness on social media also masks the notion that she never had a REALLy good album and her singles(shorter shelf life than an album)/guest appearances allowed for her to be anywhere and everywhere. The parallel to this would be Madonna's constant appearances in the 1980's-1990's on MTV/celebrity gossip columns. In my opinion (again), Madonna's music drove her brand whereas Rihanna's brand drives her music.

Ultimately, I like them both a lot for what they are: Pop Artists. They make product for the masses to consume and their success or failure depends on our given tastes at the moment.

Just my two cents....

"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish."
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