I never understood why Just Good Friends received the bad wrap that it did (no pun intended).
That song right now sounds better than what's being offered on the airwaves in 2017
Maybe, it's that songs sound "dated" because that sound can't be mimicked or interpolated, thus it's placed in the "dated" column
Just Good Friends featured two Motown legends, both staring out as child prodigys, the only record MJ and Stevie collaborated on together as adult artists, and that song should have been released as an official single
It would have been an excellent single to release before or after Another Part of Me.... | |
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Scorp said: I never understood why Just Good Friends received the bad wrap that it did (no pun intended).
That song right now sounds better than what's being offered on the airwaves in 2017
Maybe, it's that songs sound "dated" because that sound can't be mimicked or interpolated, thus it's placed in the "dated" column
Just Good Friends featured two Motown legends, both staring out as child prodigys, the only record MJ and Stevie collaborated on together as adult artists, and that song should have been released as an official single
It would have been an excellent single to release before or after Another Part of Me.... https://youtu.be/YKdQPDZ63DA [Edited 4/8/17 6:56am] | |
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I used to have this Stevie album
I hear ya though
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Bad is a polished turd, and the only reason why y'all like it is because Michael Jackson's name my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
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I would say most definitely as whole, Prince's best work and most memorable work was in the 80s....he was literally carving out new albums every calendar year just about...81,82,84,85,86,87,88..........Around the World in a Day is one of Prince's greatest musical achievements.
Prince as well as many other black artists were affected by what the pop movement caused, but not because of the fault of any audience, but once Pop was in a position to dictate what a particular culture of sound should be, or what should be recognized as such, or after it exploited what it wanted and discarded what it didnt want, at that point, you had an entire realm of expression that was syphoned off and black artists who participated in the music industry by the 90s was then pigeonholed into presenting a single form of music......this did not happen before until then
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Jon Secada, Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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That's bs. Every song on it, except 1, is great. The reason you hate it, is because it's Michael Jackson. Also all of his albums sound as great as they ever did. And unlike Prince, he's released way less filler per album. [Edited 4/8/17 11:49am] | |
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Mjs been dead for nearly 1/10th of a century. I really don't see the point of the blind hatred for him. He's dead and decomposed by now what is the point? | |
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I agree.. nothing screams 60's 70's 80's and beyond----- like the DRUMS! even hip hop producers are very specific about the 'era' that they like to sample sounds from.. to me - late 60's - early/mid 70's Drum recordings sound better than any other era!
KEYBOARDS. Obviously certain synths are going to sound like the era when they were selling in stores.. DX7, D-50, M1, Triton.. Motif.. Reason.. Logic.. ect..
Dated To me its Quality & the Originality that makes me like something or not.. if it's some cheesy 80's power Ballad by some wannabe White Snake Band with a guitar solo, an acoustic guitar or piano intro and BIG ASS DRUMS WITH TONS OF GATED REVERB - kicking in for the chorus.. NO THANK YOU!
Same goes for the wannabe Prince/MPLS band with some watered down cheap (UN-ORIGINAL) Prince-esque Music.. if it sucks and isn't worth my time ----- it's Dated - or soon to be! Everything on (the radio) These days is Dated to me!
nextedition said: Cinny said:Yes keyboards have a big influence, but i still think drumsounds define it. Just listen to the drumsound znd you know from what timd it is. And some drumsounds were really trendy at one period.
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Someone mentioned Taylor Dayne earlier. I was listening to one of her Greatest Hits packages the other day and while the dance numbers do sound dated, the ballads don't. When I listen to "I'll Always Love You" or "Love Will Lead You Back", I don't right away think about the fact those songs were recorded in the late 80s. So I started thinking of a lot of albums that I think sound dated and realized it seems most dance songs from any particular era are more likely to sound dated but most ballads don't seem to age nearly as fast. "It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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Bad gets a bad wrap.
It's noteable to me how you praise Quincy for the great production work on OTW and Thriller and act as if MJ had nothing to do with those albums, but give Q a free pass for the "horribly dated" production on Bad and lump all the blame for that on Michael's doorstep. Michael's involvement on Thriller as a co-producer is well-documented. You only have to take one listen to his home demo of Billie Jean to hear who was the brains behind the masterful production job on that song. Take a listen to MJ's home demo of Don't Stop Til You Get Enough which was recorded in the Jackson family Encino home studio long before Quincy heard it. It sounds just as fresh, vibrant and relevant as the finished product.
Is "Bad" the MJ album that sounds most "of-its-time"? Probably. But why should that be held against it? Does Nirvana's landmark album "Nevermind" not sound unmistakably like an early nineties grunge record? Does Prince's much-lauded "1999" album not sound like an early 80s synth-pop inspired record? Or how about The Beatles "Rubbel Soul"? Does that not sound just like the kind of folk-rock that was popular in the mid-sixties?
Why is Bad singled out for being "dated", when these other classic records are every bit as strongly defined by the trends and fashions of the time they were made?
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I don't really get into whether something sounds dated or not......I listen to the Bad album all the time to this day
Bad's crux was that ultimately, it did not outsell Thriller which is what Michael Jackson was anticipating for it to do.....
And he was really the defacto lead product for that album even though he and Quincy collaborated on their 3rd straight album together.....
as far as what songs on his albums are more classics, it all depends on who you ask...the fans of the initial 16 years of his career are gonna gravitate to songs he did during the years of OTW and Thriller, and to an extent BAD......the fans of the past quarter century, they are going ot gravitate to song from Bad, Dangerous, History, and Invincible......it's really about the point of reference in regards to that part
even when MJ would go on to make his HISTORY album which was initially supposed to be an album of all new music.......for his classic songs, he selected a pretty balance selection from all this previous albums with him choosing five songs from Thriller in the end.....
and with Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, in that demo.....it was Michael working with his brother Randy Jackson who developed the melody and rhythm arrangement for that song. and even on OTW, when it mentions the rhythm arrangement and Randy's name is listed
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Well said. But Bad has an advantage on to why people remember most songs. Except 2 songs, every one has been released as a single. | |
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MattyJam said:
Bad gets a bad wrap.
It's noteable to me how you praise Quincy for the great production work on OTW and Thriller and act as if MJ had nothing to do with those albums, but give Q a free pass for the "horribly dated" production on Bad and lump all the blame for that on Michael's doorstep. Michael's involvement on Thriller as a co-producer is well-documented. You only have to take one listen to his home demo of Billie Jean to hear who was the brains behind the masterful production job on that song. Take a listen to MJ's home demo of Don't Stop Til You Get Enough which was recorded in the Jackson family Encino home studio long before Quincy heard it. It sounds just as fresh, vibrant and relevant as the finished product.
Is "Bad" the MJ album that sounds most "of-its-time"? Probably. But why should that be held against it? Does Nirvana's landmark album "Nevermind" not sound unmistakably like an early nineties grunge record? Does Prince's much-lauded "1999" album not sound like an early 80s synth-pop inspired record? Or how about The Beatles "Rubbel Soul"? Does that not sound just like the kind of folk-rock that was popular in the mid-sixties?
Why is Bad singled out for being "dated", when these other classic records are every bit as strongly defined by the trends and fashions of the time they were made?
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That was me, and you're right the key most likely is and always be real instruments. Trendy sounds can only go so far. | |
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That song is awful considering the status of both artists. They could have done something much more better. | |
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I second that. | |
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why is it awful? | |
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Sorry but Purple Rain, Controversy,1999 and SOTT sounds completely 80's. In that regard i don't find him so different from Michael. | |
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He is not, he lives in my heart and the hearts of millions of people. | |
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Of course they will sound dated, every album is a product of the era it comes from. Bad sounds like it is from 1987, because it was released in 1987, but it is still great. I mean who sets out to make music now or in the past and thinks "I want to make it, so it sounds fresh in 2047" . Diamonds and Pearls sounds 1991 ish (Or even 1989 ish in someways) because Prince taped it back in 1989/1990. Albums can be dated at release, as before the whole autotune, home studio computer era, most good albums took several months to write, record and market. It was common for an artist to be made to wait several months before an album would drop (Prince had to wait for WB all the time, as they were worried about Prince product saturating the market, the satellites were at least a bit more helpful, as their albums were essentially Prince music by other performers) and often Prince had lost interest in a project and moved on, by the time it finally dropped. . Music that dates the worst to me, are trend songs, that really date super quickly. Think about it, would you listen to novelties like the Thong Song and Mambo #5 now, or even the Dougie song and Silento's watch me (Who is silento you ask, but 18 months ago, he was the hottest rapper out), or PSY anyone, that aspic preserved 2012 oldie. . I also thik trends in music date badly in many cases, Bubblegum music of all stamps dates quickly, from Twist dance rip offs, to the Monkees, The Bay City Rollers, Bros and NKOTB and Back door boys, no one would listen to that shit now. Also all grunge and hair metal except GNR is laughable. Even some of the swear heavy acts of the 1990s like RATM, Marilyn Manson and RHCP are dated now. . To me the only music that does not date is classic music like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Eagles, Led Zeppelin, Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince etc. . 99% of the current pop hot on the charts does, who will be listening to Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Rhianna, Jayz or Katy perry in 25 years - no one. Just like no one listens to Ugly Kid Joe, Icy Blu, Blu Cantrell, Warrant, Wilson Philips or any other forgettable crap from 26 years ago now. . And finally a big FUCK YOU to the clown who thinks Bad has aged and dated, that album is as fresh and funky now as it was 29½ years ago, play it loud and the infectious dance and synth pop, along with Michael's powerhouse vocals will get you. [Edited 4/9/17 15:34pm] Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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excellent points......
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my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
2004-2008 demos: https://soundcloud.com/th...aradedemos | |
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SOTT a little less, but Purple Rain... please. sounds exactly like the 80's music. | |
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If nobody had every heard of Purple Rain and was released for the first time in 2017....
that album would rule longer than it actually did in 1984.... | |
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my album: https://soundcloud.com/theroseparade
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