heathilly said:

mnbvc said:

I think it was impactful culturally in the sense that many did try to mimick her dance moves, which is not unlike scores of girls dressing up in a schoolgirl outfit in 1999, but Spears' video actually impacted the music industry. Beyonce's did not.

How Im just curious

Me too, impacted the same way Beyoncé's video did, just in terms of impact or fame within the pop culture, sales and stardom, recognizement and what else?

mnbvc said:

heathilly said:

SeventeenDayze said: It's a great video the same way smooth crimnal by mj is (see bandwagon by Fred Astaire you call that Mj stealing or you call it inspired) Its cool video because it's not edited it's just choreography and camera angles.

I think it was impactful culturally in the sense that many did try to mimick her dance moves, which is not unlike scores of girls dressing up in a schoolgirl outfit in 1999, but Spears' video actually impacted the music industry. Beyonce's did not.

The same happened with Single Ladies video, many did mimick her dance moves. Come on guys give the girl the credit she deseves.

214 said:

heathilly said:

How Im just curious

Me too, impacted the same way Beyoncé's video did, just in terms of impact or fame within the pop culture, sales and stardom, recognizement and what else?

The main difference was in the Britney clones that emerged folliwing the video.

mnbvc said:

214 said:

Me too, impacted the same way Beyoncé's video did, just in terms of impact or fame within the pop culture, sales and stardom, recognizement and what else?

The main difference was in the Britney clones that emerged folliwing the video.

What clones, come on.

214 said:

mnbvc said:

The main difference was in the Britney clones that emerged folliwing the video.

What clones, come on.

mjscarousal said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Better than MJ and Prince? WTF! What crack are these folks smoking? Utterly ridiculous.

Yea gurl this site is a joke! Look at how they are acting in this thread just because some don't agree with the article. But to be fair, half them are not even real Prince fans. Probably don't own a Prince album nor ever seen him in concert but they sure love fawning over Beyonce and bashing legends.

I love fawning over Beyonce and bashing my legend

Hudson said:

214 said:

What clones, come on.

Don't foget Christina Aguilera. The success of Genie in a Bottle came as a result of ...Baby One More Time.

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mnbvc said:

Hudson said:

Don't foget Christina Aguilera. The success of Genie in a Bottle cames as a result of ...Baby One More Time.

I refuse to label her a Britney clone, even if one hit paved the way for another.

Hudson said:

mnbvc said:

Don't foget Christina Aguilera. The success of Genie in a Bottle cames as a result of ...Baby One More Time.

I refuse to label her a Britney clone, even if one hit paved the way for another.

Yeah, but you can't really suggest they were marketed much different from one another in it's aftermath.

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What's weirder than giving legitimacy to Beyonce on a Prince forum?

Giving legitimacy to Britney Spears!

CynicKill said:

That's really the lowest form of argument to declare that anyone indifferent to someone's music is envious. Some of us simply don't care one way or the other.

purplethunder3121 said:

heathilly said:

CynicKill said:

What's weirder than giving legitimacy to Beyonce on a Prince forum?

Giving legitimacy to Britney Spears!

Lol yep the Beyoncé disdain is remarkably strong but really people would hate anyone in Beyoncés position success breeds envy if it was Michele Kelly leytoya Latvia Farrah etc people would say how much they hated them and how overrated they were. I just respect the work ethic and drive to top herself. I dont see how someone can't acknowledge and respect that. It's the main reason why she's as revered as she is. Her contemporaries look absolutely mediocre compared to her. Rihanna Drake Justin Bieber Ariana Grande Katy perry etc. Usher, Kerri Hilson, Ashanti, Ciara, Nelly Furtado, keyshia Cole Brittany spears Christina augulira all fell off she kept on etc.

I acknowledge her as a performer. You just have to. She has been an energetic performer for a number of years now and that is where the revence must end because where does this leave her as an artist? She is not a songwriter. People have railed against pop stars in the past about their lack of songwriting but now all of a sudden this doesn't matter when Beyonce does it? (It's also ironic because Britney Spears is not much of a song-writer at all, yet she legitmately composed her most commercially successful ballad and there's tangible evidince for it for such an allegedly talentless entertainer. Beyonce has literally never ever composed anything) And then there is this:

Op-Ed: When Beyonce's Inspiration Turns Into Imitation

There's a difference between inspiration and imitation...Beyonce is more of a canvas than a creator.

http://www.billboard.com/...-imitation

Sure Michael Jackson had his influences/inspirations in much of his work (Smooth Criminal, Billie Jean but, in addition to being an actual songwriter, Thriller changed music videos forever and Janet Jackson's Rythmn Nation 1814 remains a pioneering visual album.

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mnbvc said:

heathilly said:

CynicKill said:

I acknowledge her as a performer. You just have to. She has been an energetic performer for a number of years now and that is where the revence must end because where does this leave her as an artist? She is not a songwriter. People have railed against pop stars in the past about their lack of songwriting but now all of a sudden this doesn't matter when Beyonce does it? (It's also ironic because Britney Spears is not much of a song-writer at all, yet she legitmately composed her most commercially successful ballad and there's tangible evidince for it for such an allegedly talentless entertainer. Beyonce has literally never ever composed anything) And then there is this:

Op-Ed: When Beyonce's Inspiration Turns Into Imitation

There's a difference between inspiration and imitation...Beyonce is more of a canvas than a creator.

http://www.billboard.com/...-imitation

Sure Michael Jackson had his influences/inspirations in much of his work (Smooth Criminal, Billie Jean but, in addition to being an actual songwriter, Thriller changed music videos forever and Janet Jackson's Rythmn Nation 1814 remains a pioneering visual album.

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The same argument that they have about people having disdain about Beyonce is the same argument that can be made about their disdain for Britney Spears who actually was a more talented dancer and songwriter than Beyonce. I am not a big Britney Spears fan of her brand although I do like her as a person but Britney by far had the biggest peak of a pop star this milenium era even more so than Adele but they don't want to never give her credit. She also had better songs and more memorable performances but as usual you make excellent points. I think the problem most people have with Beyonce is again is the fact that she overrated. She is not exceptionally talented or great at anything but yet she is compared to legends or called "innovative" for creating things that have already been done.

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purplethunder3121 said:

That's really the lowest form of argument to declare that anyone indifferent to someone's music is envious. Some of us simply don't care one way or the other.

There some people who really really like certain artists (and thats fine because I have my favs ) but there some people who don't like certain artists for whatever reason and for the ones that don't it should simply be respected. People should be able to freely express themselves without being named called, harassed or pressured into liking something that they don't like. With Beyonce it feels like you can't criticize her or express not liking her without being bashed. I don't think being indifferent or not liking an artist means your envious and yes that is a very immature thing to say.

mnbvc said:

i was just thinking the other day how different my life has been since lemonade came out

that 3rd song... made me sell my house

that 5th song... made me paint my car

and the last song... wowza... i went straight out and bought all new underwear

she's such an inspiration *tears*

More FAKE NEWS

BEYONCE + impact = HILARIOUS!!!!

mnbvc said:

Hudson said:

Don't foget Christina Aguilera. The success of Genie in a Bottle came as a result of ...Baby One More Time.

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It would have been a hit with or without Britney's Baby One More Time.

heathilly said:

mnbvc said:

http://www.billboard.com/...-imitation

Sure Michael Jackson had his influences/inspirations in much of his work (Smooth Criminal, Billie Jean but, in addition to being an actual songwriter, Thriller changed music videos forever and Janet Jackson's Rythmn Nation 1814 remains a pioneering visual album.

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She is not a songwriter people have a route against pop stars in the past about their lack of songwriting but now all of a sudden this doesn't matter when Beyoncé does it. Your right and wrong here. The artistic integrity of an artist who does all their own music still holds true they are more respected by critics and hardcore music fans but literally 99% of people don't give a fuck if you write your own songs or not. They just care if the music good or not. That old artistic integrity singer songwriter notion has went the way of rock n roll it's literally a defining trait of that dying genre and culture. Songwriting changed when rap music was invented and its been very collaborative sample producer driven since than for rap rnb and pop music. So no Beyoncé isn't the only one getting a pass everyone gets a pass because no one cares about who wrote songs besides critics and hardcore music fans.

So true, people in general just care how good or catchy the song is.

MoBettaBliss said:

i was just thinking the other day how different my life has been since lemonade came out

that 3rd song... made me sell my house

that 5th song... made me paint my car

and the last song... wowza... i went straight out and bought all new underwear

she's such an inspiration *tears*

That was great, reallyt great. You're right that article was a little bit over the top, to say the least.

heathilly said:

CynicKill said:

What's weirder than giving legitimacy to Beyonce on a Prince forum?

Giving legitimacy to Britney Spears!

Lol yep the Beyoncé disdain is remarkably strong but really people would hate anyone in Beyoncés position success breeds envy if it was Michele Kelly leytoya Latvia Farrah etc people would say how much they hated them and how overrated they were. I just respect the work ethic and drive to top herself. I dont see how someone can't acknowledge and respect that. It's the main reason why she's as revered as she is. Her contemporaries look absolutely mediocre compared to her. Rihanna Drake Justin Bieber Ariana Grande Katy perry etc. Usher, Kerri Hilson, Ashanti, Ciara, Nelly Furtado, keyshia Cole Brittany spears Christina augulira all fell off she kept on etc.

Why can't someone dislike a successful person for reasons other than their success? Are people only allowed to dislike those in the same tax bracket as them? It's a copout to say that the only reason people can dislike Beyonce (or any famous, successful person) is because she's successful.

Her work ethic doesn't give her a pass. Beyonce is not the only person in history whose had to work hard and that shouldn't be a reason to put her on such a high pedestal above everybody else. The default qualification for someone to be famous is hard work and even then she hasn't had to put forth as much effort to get where she is compared to other acts (including her "mediocre" contemporaries).

So Beyonce shines the brightest out of a sea of dull, average acts; she's the ant on top of the ant hill. What's better though? Being the ant on top of the ant hill or the mountain lion on top of the mountain? Beyonce standing out amidst a lot of interchangeable cardboard cutouts doesn't really make her look that big. If this were 30 years ago, she wouldn't have stood a chance being active alongside the stars of that time who didn't need to be surrounded by comparable nobodies to be the stars they were.

MotownSubdivision said:

heathilly said:

CynicKill said: Lol yep the Beyoncé disdain is remarkably strong but really people would hate anyone in Beyoncés position success breeds envy if it was Michele Kelly leytoya Latvia Farrah etc people would say how much they hated them and how overrated they were. I just respect the work ethic and drive to top herself. I dont see how someone can't acknowledge and respect that. It's the main reason why she's as revered as she is. Her contemporaries look absolutely mediocre compared to her. Rihanna Drake Justin Bieber Ariana Grande Katy perry etc. Usher, Kerri Hilson, Ashanti, Ciara, Nelly Furtado, keyshia Cole Brittany spears Christina augulira all fell off she kept on etc.

Why can't someone dislike a successful person for reasons other than their success? Are people only allowed to dislike those in the same tax bracket as them? It's a copout to say that the only reason people can dislike Beyonce (or any famous, successful person) is because she's successful.

Her work ethic doesn't give her a pass. Beyonce is not the only person in history whose had to work hard and that shouldn't be a reason to put her on such a high pedestal above everybody else. The default qualification for someone to be famous is hard work and even then she hasn't had to put forth as much effort to get where she is compared to other acts (including her "mediocre" contemporaries).

So Beyonce shines the brightest out of a sea of dull, average acts; she's the ant on top of the ant hill. What's better though? Being the ant on top of the ant hill or the mountain lion on top of the mountain? Beyonce standing out amidst a lot of interchangeable cardboard cutouts doesn't really make her look that big. If this were 30 years ago, she wouldn't have stood a chance being active alongside the stars of that time who didn't need to be surrounded by comparable nobodies to be the stars they were.

I clarified my statement to purplethunder I was talking more specfically about the concept of someone hating on someone when that person got to their position by having alot of personal sacrfices and a hardcore work ethic. I was just saying you got to repsect that even if you dislike hate or are indifferent to the person. I was speaking in general terms but of course beyonce is an example of this. As far as everything else you wrote ant hills and what not thats your personal view and I hear that. My personal view is beyonce has already made her mark and is continuing to make it and has surpassed numerous past legends at this point of her career.

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214 said:

heathilly said:

mnbvc said: She is not a songwriter people have a route against pop stars in the past about their lack of songwriting but now all of a sudden this doesn't matter when Beyoncé does it. Your right and wrong here. The artistic integrity of an artist who does all their own music still holds true they are more respected by critics and hardcore music fans but literally 99% of people don't give a fuck if you write your own songs or not. They just care if the music good or not. That old artistic integrity singer songwriter notion has went the way of rock n roll it's literally a defining trait of that dying genre and culture. Songwriting changed when rap music was invented and its been very collaborative sample producer driven since than for rap rnb and pop music. So no Beyoncé isn't the only one getting a pass everyone gets a pass because no one cares about who wrote songs besides critics and hardcore music fans.

So true, people in general just care how good or catchy the song is.

the music industry with all its craziness and abuse of artists definitely deserved to die but artistry doesn't deserve to die alongside it

214 said:

mnbvc said:

Don't foget Christina Aguilera. The success of Genie in a Bottle came as a result of ...Baby One More Time.

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It would have been a hit with or without Britney's Baby One More Time.

Still, Britney Spears' success opened the door for Christina Aguilera. Just like the Spice Girls and the Backstreet Boys opened the door for Britney Spears, Britney Spears opened the door for Christina Aguilera, whether anyone likes it or not.

I also wouldnt consider myself a big Britney Spears fan except for the song Everytime. She composed it, there's evidence she composed it; why wouldnt I be fan of that?

Beyonce is a fantastic peformer because of her consistent high energy. I respect that but artistically she can't legitimately be more influential than some of her peers just because of the advent of social media.

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The main problem is that Beyonce is simply overrated,overhyped and overexposed.Why must she always win several Grammys for every album? Why does she get all these opportunities that other female artists don't get? She gets to sing "At Last" during Obama's Inauguration party,while the real Etta James was still alive.She gets to sing a song from a film '(Selma') on the Grammys while the artist who actually recorded the song,Ledesi,is sitting right there in the audience.There seems to be this big,undeniable effort to make Beyonce bigger and more important than she really is.Adele won the Grammy for Album of the Year and this should have been her moment but instead,Beyonce was the big story.Hopefully,since she is now pregnant with twins,she will fade away for at least a year or so and now maybe somebody else can have "their moment" for a change,lol.

heathilly said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Why can't someone dislike a successful person for reasons other than their success? Are people only allowed to dislike those in the same tax bracket as them? It's a copout to say that the only reason people can dislike Beyonce (or any famous, successful person) is because she's successful.

Her work ethic doesn't give her a pass. Beyonce is not the only person in history whose had to work hard and that shouldn't be a reason to put her on such a high pedestal above everybody else. The default qualification for someone to be famous is hard work and even then she hasn't had to put forth as much effort to get where she is compared to other acts (including her "mediocre" contemporaries).

So Beyonce shines the brightest out of a sea of dull, average acts; she's the ant on top of the ant hill. What's better though? Being the ant on top of the ant hill or the mountain lion on top of the mountain? Beyonce standing out amidst a lot of interchangeable cardboard cutouts doesn't really make her look that big. If this were 30 years ago, she wouldn't have stood a chance being active alongside the stars of that time who didn't need to be surrounded by comparable nobodies to be the stars they were.

I clarified my statement to purplethunder I was talking more specfically about the concept of someone hating on someone when that person got to their position by having alot of personal sacrfices and a hardcore work ethic. I was just saying you got to repsect that even if you dislike hate or are indifferent to the person. I was speaking in general terms but of course beyonce is an example of this. As far as everything else you wrote ant hills and what not thats your personal view and I hear that. My personal view is beyonce has already made her mark and is continuing to make it and has surpassed numerous past legends at this point of her career.

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Surpassed in what sense? The only way I can think of is in longevity.