Dasein said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Dasein said: Meh... disagreed but that's your opinion to have.

"The Girl Is Mine"

"Baby Be Mine"
"P. Y. T."

All catchy tunes, but you gotta admit they are kinda cheezy and/or fluffy; the album only has
nine songs so, a third of it is kinda cheezy and/or fluffy. That's a pretty big portion for what is
the best selling album of all time!

Baby Be Mine is an underrated R&B classic (one of the best songs in his catalog) and PYT is a CLASSIC so is The Girl is Mine

Thriller is perfection not a single weak song on it, there is a reason why Thriller continues to sell and continues to chart the Billboard 100.

mjscarousal said:

Dasein said:

"The Girl Is Mine"

"Baby Be Mine"
"P. Y. T."

All catchy tunes, but you gotta admit they are kinda cheezy and/or fluffy; the album only has
nine songs so, a third of it is kinda cheezy and/or fluffy. That's a pretty big portion for what is
the best selling album of all time!

Baby Be Mine is an underrated R&B classic (one of the best songs in his catalog) and PYT is a CLASSIC so is The Girl is Mine

Thriller is perfection not a single weak song on it, there is a reason why Thriller continues to sell and continues to chart the Billboard 100.

Those songs are classics despite being cheezy in my opinion. There are TONS of songs that are
classic but cheeze! I was listening to Stevie Wonder's "I Just Called to Say I Love You" - what a
catchy, but cheezy tune that is undeniably an 80s classic!

Again, I think I approach music as a listening experience differently than others. I'm a musician
who loves composition and music theory and listening to production/studiocraft so I take a lot of
things into consideration when I'm enjoying tunes.

Dasein said:

mjscarousal said:

Albums DO mean shit, its shows the strength of an artist's reach and popularity. No it does not necessarily reflect quality and creativity but to say it has no weight or measure is absurd. ALSO, just because an album sales a lot doesn't mean its not good. I notice folks citing Thriller and calling it overrated BUT various songs off of Thriler plays on the radio all the time. I dont see how you can call a classic album overrated and Prince Purple Rain sold over 15 million copies are yall going to call that album overrated too? Every album that sells well is not necessarily overrated.

Album sales do not necessarily reflect accurately the strength of an artist's reach and popularity,
as it could also indicate the strength of a record company's pockets and influence!

I'm one of the people who thinks Thriller is quite possibly overrated as far as being a collection of
songs. I stop here because as a cultural movement, Thriller is more than the sum of its parts. We'll
never see anything like what happened with Michael Jackson from 1982 - 1984 ever again in my
lifetime. However, just because a few tunes off of that album are still played on the radio today
doesn't mean that it doesn't have some cheeze or fluff on it. So, Thriller is still a classic album
despite one third of it being schmaltzy and this is because of the impact it had on our culture as well.

Purple Rain, in my opinion, is a much stronger record because Prince was a more sophisticated
musician and songwriter than Michael Jackson was. Just like Thriller, it too has nine tunes on it yet
I struggle to identify one as being completely capable of "toss-off" categorization.

So, not all albums that sell well are overrated; and not all albums that sell well are proof that album
sales don't mean shit; it's all about context and depends upon the artist selling the record. I just
glanced at the top selling albums of all time and Shania Twain has put in some work! Who knew?!

Well I already argued that album sales do not necessarily reflect creavity or even quality but its unfair to generalize all best selling albums in one category. Its your opinion that Thriller is overrated but IMO the fact that it continues to sale and continues to chart almost every year AND influence music compositions, producers and artists speaks to its true creativity and shows that a lot of people still enjoy listening to the Thriller album 30 years after its release. Also, IMO Thriller is one of the best Pop/R&B albums ever created in terms of quality. I really like Prince and respect his talent immensely. He was very gifted BUT just because an artist plays 20 plus instruments doesn't automatically mean they make better music. There are a lot of people who prefer listening to Thriller over Purple Rain and of course vice versa. Also, I think Purple Rain is one of the greatest albums ever created and I love both albums (Thriller and Purple Rain) equally.

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Dasein said:

mjscarousal said:

Albums DO mean shit, its shows the strength of an artist's reach and popularity. No it does not necessarily reflect quality and creativity but to say it has no weight or measure is absurd. ALSO, just because an album sales a lot doesn't mean its not good. I notice folks citing Thriller and calling it overrated BUT various songs off of Thriler plays on the radio all the time. I dont see how you can call a classic album overrated and Prince Purple Rain sold over 15 million copies are yall going to call that album overrated too? Every album that sells well is not necessarily overrated.

Album sales do not necessarily reflect accurately the strength of an artist's reach and popularity,
as it could also indicate the strength of a record company's pockets and influence!

I'm one of the people who thinks Thriller is quite possibly overrated as far as being a collection of
songs. I stop here because as a cultural movement, Thriller is more than the sum of its parts. We'll
never see anything like what happened with Michael Jackson from 1982 - 1984 ever again in my
lifetime. However, just because a few tunes off of that album are still played on the radio today
doesn't mean that it doesn't have some cheeze or fluff on it. So, Thriller is still a classic album
despite one third of it being schmaltzy and this is because of the impact it had on our culture as well.

Purple Rain, in my opinion, is a much stronger record because Prince was a more sophisticated
musician and songwriter than Michael Jackson was. Just like Thriller, it too has nine tunes on it yet
I struggle to identify one as being completely capable of "toss-off" categorization.

So, not all albums that sell well are overrated; and not all albums that sell well are proof that album
sales don't mean shit; it's all about context and depends upon the artist selling the record. I just
glanced at the top selling albums of all time and Shania Twain has put in some work! Who knew?!

Your right, this is another great point that needs to be considered when talking about album sales. Record companies and labels play a big part in the marketing and backing an artist receives for their album which pushes album sales. However, IMO, when an artist is able to go diamond or in the cases of Prince and MJ sale a ton of records, the role of the record label does not play as big of a part in the success because there is obviously something about the artist's music, singing, songs, etc that is the driving force behind the sales. At that point, people like the music which is why they are buying it. An artist going diamond or selling over 40 million records from one C.D. is not largely based on label backing. 1 million records, fine but selling over 40 million records off one C.D? At that point, the music is selling so much because people like the music, period.

namepeace said:

Dasein said:

"The Girl Is Mine"

"Baby Be Mine"
"P. Y. T."

All catchy tunes, but you gotta admit they are kinda cheezy and/or fluffy; the album only has nine songs so, a third of it is kinda cheezy and/or fluffy. That's a pretty big portion for what is the best selling album of all time!

Off The Wall is a superior album, but Thriller was a video-driven phenomenon. Given that Thriller took a decided turn away from R&B to pop, it doesn't surprise me you got more pop-friendly songs.

But that bass line for "PYT" kinda kicks.

And "Baby Be Mine" is now my favorite song on the whole album.

I appreciate "Baby Be Mine" these days more than I did back then.Maybe it's because it wasn't overplayed on the radio like all of the other songs were? Whatever the reason,I find myself listening to it alot.It has a certain "freshness" to it and it has aged remarkably well.

This is a very good album I must admit. Its sold 3X Platinum in America

good thread, i agree 100% op. one of the reasons i avoid discussing music with alot of fan bases is because it usually ends up with them posting the sales figures. if i ask a 'music fan' their opinion on an album i dont wanna hear 'it went diamond', or artist A is better than artist B because they sold more, or certain albums are not good because 'it only sold _copies".

Black women don't want his ass.

Gunsnhalen said:

Kid Rocks Devil Without A Cause sold 11 million which is more than any Beyonce, Kanye West, Lady GaGa, white stripes, rolling stone, Nirvana, Stevie Wonder album. Which is proof albums sales don't matter and have never mattered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ut_a_Cause

U must be hangin' with zealot fans then, 'cause nobody on this board said album sales matter (have they?).

I don't know anyone in the real world when discussing music, bring up album sales. When I was teen maybe, but not now and not on this board luckily.

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You're using a big selling record to prove that record sales don't matter. Ok.

Dasein said:

mjscarousal said:

Albums DO mean shit, its shows the strength of an artist's reach and popularity. No it does not necessarily reflect quality and creativity but to say it has no weight or measure is absurd. ALSO, just because an album sales a lot doesn't mean its not good. I notice folks citing Thriller and calling it overrated BUT various songs off of Thriler plays on the radio all the time. I dont see how you can call a classic album overrated and Prince Purple Rain sold over 15 million copies are yall going to call that album overrated too? Every album that sells well is not necessarily overrated.

Album sales do not necessarily reflect accurately the strength of an artist's reach and popularity,
as it could also indicate the strength of a record company's pockets and influence!

I'm one of the people who thinks Thriller is quite possibly overrated as far as being a collection of
songs. I stop here because as a cultural movement, Thriller is more than the sum of its parts. We'll
never see anything like what happened with Michael Jackson from 1982 - 1984 ever again in my
lifetime. However, just because a few tunes off of that album are still played on the radio today
doesn't mean that it doesn't have some cheeze or fluff on it. So, Thriller is still a classic album
despite one third of it being schmaltzy and this is because of the impact it had on our culture as well.

Purple Rain, in my opinion, is a much stronger record because Prince was a more sophisticated
musician and songwriter than Michael Jackson was. Just like Thriller, it too has nine tunes on it yet
I struggle to identify one as being completely capable of "toss-off" categorization.

So, not all albums that sell well are overrated; and not all albums that sell well are proof that album
sales don't mean shit; it's all about context and depends upon the artist selling the record. I just
glanced at the top selling albums of all time and Shania Twain has put in some work! Who knew?!

You are tight about Thriller, is far from perfect, it's overrated, but the same can be said about every single album regarded as great; from Purple Rain to Sgt Peppers to Highway 61.

For Thriller it helps if you were there at the time.

EVERYONE loved Thriller.

Everyone knew all the songs.

Thriller was Beatlemania times 10!

paisleypark4 said:

This is a very good album I must admit. Its sold 3X Platinum in America

I never listened to any of his albums, but I saw him open for Aerosmith in the early 2000s...his band was NO JOKE!

CynicKill said:

For Thriller it helps if you were there at the time.

EVERYONE loved Thriller.

Everyone knew all the songs.

Thriller was Beatlemania times 10!

it's one of those things that you really had to experience firsthand to understand it.Michaelmania in 1983/84 was outrageous! I had never seen anything like it.At one point,Thriller was selling a million copies a week,prompting even Quincy Jones to say "This is getting ridiculous",lol.

Devil without A Cause is a 19yr old Album...Wikipedia is a shadey site, but I'm guilty of drinking the Site's Kool-aid.....Kid's hit Album will continue to deposit those Royalty checks in his account forever & ever.....

Michael Jackson's estate will continue to profit from Thriller. According to billboard.com Thriller went 30X-Multi-Platinum in 2015.. Thriller will continue to sell & sell & sell...

Love'em or Hate'em, Beyonce, Adele, Rihanna & Taylor Swift are Today's QUEENS of Popular music..Their CD's will continue to sell forever..

The Good thing is Kid Rock's signature Beer is still being produced/shipped...I bet those Pop-Divas don't have their own Redneck Beer....

Gunsnhalen said:

Alsi Thriller is overrated fluffy pop with lots of filler

Get out of here. There is only two filler songs on Thriller.

And Purple rain has two filler songs too.

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PatrickS77 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Alsi Thriller is overrated fluffy pop with lots of filler

Get out of here. There is only two filler songs on Thriller.

And Purple rain has two filler songs too.

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You fell and bumped your head?

The only "filler" song I can think of on PR is Take Me With U and even so everyone loves it.

Touring is where the money is.

SoulAlive said:

namepeace said:

And "Baby Be Mine" is now my favorite song on the whole album.

I appreciate "Baby Be Mine" these days more than I did back then.Maybe it's because it wasn't overplayed on the radio like all of the other songs were? Whatever the reason,I find myself listening to it alot.It has a certain "freshness" to it and it has aged remarkably well.

Fair points, I ask the same question of myself. To me it's the one track that would fit on Off The Wall. I dig the hook.

Dasein said:

NaughtyKitty said:

The bolded part of your post is very interesting! Could you expound on this please?

[Edited 2/7/17 12:25pm]

Some record companies simply have more money and influence than others do. So, the more
money and influence you have, the more you're able to successfully market and promote an
album to buy popularity. This could explain the existence of one hit wonders and top selling
albums like Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em.

Good point, thanks!

Jimi Hendrix was a "one-hit wonder"...

'Nuff said!

CynicKill said:

PatrickS77 said:

Get out of here. There is only two filler songs on Thriller.

And Purple rain has two filler songs too.

[Edited 2/8/17 3:33am]

The only "filler" song I can think of on PR is Take Me With U and even so everyone loves it.

I'm also curious about which two PS77 is thinking of.

I don't post here much, but you're an IDIOT if you think/feel that Thriller (the greatest album in music history) is "overrated". That collection of songs is a timeless masterpiece.

namepeace said:

CynicKill said:

The only "filler" song I can think of on PR is Take Me With U and even so everyone loves it.

I'm also curious about which two PS77 is thinking of.

I'm curious too.

And I'm not sure that just because a song was added to an album to "fill" it out makes that song
"bad" or even the album "bad" as well.

marcusrob02 said:

I don't post here much, but you're an IDIOT if you think/feel that Thriller (the greatest album in music history) is "overrated". That collection of songs is a timeless masterpiece.

I'm one of those IDIOTs, Marcus, so I'd like to know what makes you think the three songs I
believe are "cheezy" and/or "fluffy" on Thriller are not. Let me remind you that I agree that
Thriller is a masterpiece, but not solely because of the strength of its musical compositions.

Just because an album is popular and a big seller and everyone says it's a masterpiece doesn't
mean that those who disagree are "idiots."

Chancellor said:

Devil without A Cause is a 19yr old Album...Wikipedia is a shadey site, but I'm guilty of drinking the Site's Kool-aid.....Kid's hit Album will continue to deposit those Royalty checks in his account forever & ever.....

Michael Jackson's estate will continue to profit from Thriller. According to billboard.com Thriller went 30X-Multi-Platinum in 2015.. Thriller will continue to sell & sell & sell...

Love'em or Hate'em, Beyonce, Adele, Rihanna & Taylor Swift are Today's QUEENS of Popular music..Their CD's will continue to sell forever..

The Good thing is Kid Rock's signature Beer is still being produced/shipped...I bet those Pop-Divas don't have their own Redneck Beer....

I'm guessing then that DWAC, simply didn't chart well with in it's first few weeks of release?