BILLBOARD: What does the dominance of Adele and Beyoncé say about the industry?

EHRLICH: I've been around long enough - I helped kick-start that term "diva" in the early '90s, those VH1 shows. From that point on, we've had the Celines, Glorias, Faith Hills, Shanias, Mariahs, Whitneys. If we look back at our show year to year, there are probably a number of years where there were more female artists than males.

GERSON: I see it a little differently. The difference this year, compared to others, is that Beyoncé and Adele are both women controlling their careers. In years past, the women who have been nominated probably were A&R'd by men who told them what songs to sing, and men who wrote the songs for them and then asked them to go into the studio and kill it vocally. These two iconic superstars control their own destinies. They're not "divas." It's strange to me that VH1 still does it, because I don't know if that's how I would describe any woman. I wouldn't describe Beyoncé as a "diva." She is fierce, as is Adele.

KEITH: They're both bosses.

GERSON: Yes, bosses. That's how I see it.

KING: People want real. And there are a lot of women out there doing that.

Beyoncé 20 Grammys

Adele 10 Grammys

Taylor Swift 10 Grammys

Rihanna 8 Grammys

Whitney Houston 6 Grammys

Mariah Carey 5 Grammys

Janet Jackson 5 Grammys

Celine Dion 5 Grammys S

hania Twain 5 Grammys

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/grammys/7633028/grammy-billboard-roundtable-interview

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HAPPYPERSON said:

Beyoncé 20 Grammys

the fact that Beyonce has more Grammys than Prince is unbelievable

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

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SoulAlive said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

Beyoncé 20 Grammys

the fact that Beyonce has more Grammys than Prince is unbelievable

Its a joke isn't it? I don't know what is more comical, this article trying to argue that Beyonce is this "genius artist that is in control of her career and writes her own music" OR the fact that she has 20 grammys, ridiculous. FUQ the Grammys I don't take it seriously anymore nor is it relevant anymore so they can give her how many grammys they want or allow her to buy as many as she wants.

Whitney and Mariah have only 5 grammys and they are some of the biggest selling recording artists of all time, selling over 100 million records and Beyonce has only sold like 20 million, C'MON with the bullshit!

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mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

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And just because youre winning awards that DOES Not make you a boss! Madonna in her day was labelled the bitch because she would not bend to what others wanted. When any artist is making a lable MONEY they can almost do what they want. I doubt Beyonce was steering the wheel early days of Destiny's Child. A lot of these artists are having the songs already written handed to them and the team is all in place to push the product. Beyonce is far from a puppet but also far from being a rebel in the industry. I look more at people that fought the powers and went indie more as rebelious. I mean would BEYONCE fight Sony the way George Michael did? Basically sacrificing his career for his belief in how things should be?

mjscarousal said:

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

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No, but she never had to go against them either its a different era is all. She is better than her competition.

paisleypark4 said:

mjscarousal said:

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

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No, but she never had to go against them either its a different era is all. She is better than her competition.

She would be a better artist if she had competition. Today there is not that competition that there was. With artists doing a new album every 3-4 years you rarely see them even out at the same time. Because now music for the most part does not sell, there is NO more competition, no more "dropping" an album the same day as someone else big because now there is such worry that 2 albums out at the same time is a death sentence. You can take a year like 1987 and just see that you had Bruce Springsteen, George Michael, MJ, Madonna, Elton, Billy Joel, Prince, U2 and Whitney Houston and a slew of NEW artists coming up that year like Richard Marx Taylor Dayne etc...all out at the same time competiting for the same time. For me that is why everyone was getting better challenging themselves more, and also doing a record almost every year while having hits and touring and doing tv. Now it seems that an artist can even release an album and go on tour without cancelling dates due to exhaustion. For me its like anything else doing it more you get better. ANd again its not taking away from them now, its just not a fair comparison to equate a POP star of today like a Bieber or Drake to a Michael Jackson or George Michael.

Artist are alot smarter now than in the past more power to them. Get that money, Build that empire

Check out the Bird and the Bee.

SoulAlive said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

Beyoncé 20 Grammys

the fact that Beyonce has more Grammys than Prince is unbelievable

the fact that she managed to de-thrown Aretha in such a short period of time is even more ridiculous.

And how about the fact that Jay Z and Kanye West leave both Micheal Jackson and Prince in the dust when it comes to Grammy wins. Jay-Z and Kayne are both tied with 21 awards each and counting.

lastdecember said:

heathilly said:

MotownSubdivision said:

lastdecember said:

She would be a better artist if she had competition. Today there is not that competition that there was. With artists doing a new album every 3-4 years you rarely see them even out at the same time. Because now music for the most part does not sell, there is NO more competition, no more "dropping" an album the same day as someone else big because now there is such worry that 2 albums out at the same time is a death sentence. You can take a year like 1987 and just see that you had Bruce Springsteen, George Michael, MJ, Madonna, Elton, Billy Joel, Prince, U2 and Whitney Houston and a slew of NEW artists coming up that year like Richard Marx Taylor Dayne etc...all out at the same time competiting for the same time. For me that is why everyone was getting better challenging themselves more, and also doing a record almost every year while having hits and touring and doing tv. Now it seems that an artist can even release an album and go on tour without cancelling dates due to exhaustion. For me its like anything else doing it more you get better. ANd again its not taking away from them now, its just not a fair comparison to equate a POP star of today like a Bieber or Drake to a Michael Jackson or George Michael.

It's not as though artists back then weren't dropping albums every few years but I agree with this post. Artists back then had no issue releasing an album alongside one another and as a result most of those years are jam-packed with quality if not classic LPs that at the time co-existed on the charts. Now it seems as though (big name) artists take a number and wait for the buzz of another's album to die down before taking their turn and releasing theirs. You have a supposed megastar like Beyonce withholding the release of Lemonade "out of respect" for Adele who had just dropped 25 in late 2015. Imagine if The Police decided to delay the release of Synchronicity out of "respect" for Michael coincidentally when Thriller was the hottest album on the charts in 1983. The year wouldn't feel quite as stacked would it? Albums these days generally don't have a long shelf life so it's even more rare to have an album climb its way up the charts over a lengthy period of time than it was back in the day. Huey Lewis & The News dropped Sports in September 1983 and it didn't reach the top 10 till March of 1984 (6 months later) and didn't hit #1 till that June; It only topped the charts for a week but it remained in the Top 10 for most of the remainder of '84 and ended up being the second most popular/ highest-selling album of the year (only behind Thriller itself and over other blockbuster releases like Purple Rain, Born in the U.S.A. and the Footloose soundtrack and those are just the #1 albums of the year). To be fair, that sort of thing is beyond the control of the artists but it's hard to imagine something like that being possible in the industry today.

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LOL! Yeah right.... I didn't buy that lie then and surely don't buy it now. That was some classic bs excuse thrown out there for her followers to eat up like cake...and they did (of course). In my opinion, that would have been a good moment for her to prove that she really is "Queen/King" by releasing it soon after Adele's "25". If she was truly queen all by herself, she would have been able to move Adele from the that No. 1 spot. I found it cowardly myself. BUT...if you wanted to make sure your album debuted No. 1, you would slow your ass down and wait for that fire to cool off that "25" album. LOL!!!!

kitbradley said:

And how about the fact that Jay Z and Kanye West leave both Micheal Jackson and Prince in the dust when it comes to Grammy wins. Jay-Z and Kayne are both tied with 21 awards each and counting.

Yeah. These days they kinda give them out like candies on Halloween to these "new" artists. Pathetic.

paisleypark4 said:

mjscarousal said:

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

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No, but she never had to go against them either its a different era is all. She is better than her competition.

No she is not.

Usher and Britney (in their prime), Adele, Bruno make and made far better music than her and they don't have as many Grammy's than her. I actually have a FUNCTIONAL brain that cognitively works pretty damn good. You CAN'T convince me that Beyonce's trashy forgettable music is the "best" pop music out today, nope not buying it. HER STATISTICS shows that nobody is buying Beyonce's music (and she is not this force in music) so this article that suggest that she is a boss because she has 20 grammys is a load of bullshit. A trophy is no indicater of greatness, ESPECIALLY when it can be brought. Michael Jackson, Prince, Marvin Gaye don't have as many grammys as Beyonce and she will NEVER be legendary or iconic as them. I don't care how many awards that overrated heffa buys.

lastdecember said:

paisleypark4 said:

No, but she never had to go against them either its a different era is all. She is better than her competition.

She would be a better artist if she had competition. Today there is not that competition that there was. With artists doing a new album every 3-4 years you rarely see them even out at the same time. Because now music for the most part does not sell, there is NO more competition, no more "dropping" an album the same day as someone else big because now there is such worry that 2 albums out at the same time is a death sentence. You can take a year like 1987 and just see that you had Bruce Springsteen, George Michael, MJ, Madonna, Elton, Billy Joel, Prince, U2 and Whitney Houston and a slew of NEW artists coming up that year like Richard Marx Taylor Dayne etc...all out at the same time competiting for the same time. For me that is why everyone was getting better challenging themselves more, and also doing a record almost every year while having hits and touring and doing tv. Now it seems that an artist can even release an album and go on tour without cancelling dates due to exhaustion. For me its like anything else doing it more you get better. ANd again its not taking away from them now, its just not a fair comparison to equate a POP star of today like a Bieber or Drake to a Michael Jackson or George Michael.

GAWD I love your posts!!!!!!

But I disagree with the bolded. I honestly believe if there was more competition Beyonce would not be relevant at all and not nearly as popular. Just like if she had came out in the 80s or 90s, she would not have had a solo career. Beyonce greatly benefits from the lack of diversity in the mainstream. Even with the likes of Adele and Taylor, she can't even compete with their numbers. She can't garner a substantial radio hit like Rihanna so just imagine if there was way more competition. She is a "star" because of the media and industry not because the general public is interested in her.

kitbradley said:

And how about the fact that Jay Z and Kanye West leave both Micheal Jackson and Prince in the dust when it comes to Grammy wins. Jay-Z and Kayne are both tied with 21 awards each and counting.

An award is no reflection of talent, impact and influence, its quite obvious the industry has a certain group of token artists they give awards to undeservely.

MotownSubdivision said:

lastdecember said:

She would be a better artist if she had competition. Today there is not that competition that there was. With artists doing a new album every 3-4 years you rarely see them even out at the same time. Because now music for the most part does not sell, there is NO more competition, no more "dropping" an album the same day as someone else big because now there is such worry that 2 albums out at the same time is a death sentence. You can take a year like 1987 and just see that you had Bruce Springsteen, George Michael, MJ, Madonna, Elton, Billy Joel, Prince, U2 and Whitney Houston and a slew of NEW artists coming up that year like Richard Marx Taylor Dayne etc...all out at the same time competiting for the same time. For me that is why everyone was getting better challenging themselves more, and also doing a record almost every year while having hits and touring and doing tv. Now it seems that an artist can even release an album and go on tour without cancelling dates due to exhaustion. For me its like anything else doing it more you get better. ANd again its not taking away from them now, its just not a fair comparison to equate a POP star of today like a Bieber or Drake to a Michael Jackson or George Michael.

It's not as though artists back then weren't dropping albums every few years but I agree with this post. Artists back then had no issue releasing an album alongside one another and as a result most of those years are jam-packed with quality if not classic LPs that at the time co-existed on the charts. Now it seems as though (big name) artists take a number and wait for the buzz of another's album to die down before taking their turn and releasing theirs. You have a supposed megastar like Beyonce withholding the release of Lemonade "out of respect" for Adele who had just dropped 25 in late 2015. Imagine if The Police decided to delay the release of Synchronicity out of "respect" for Michael coincidentally when Thriller was the hottest album on the charts in 1983. The year wouldn't feel quite as stacked would it? Albums these days generally don't have a long shelf life so it's even more rare to have an album climb its way up the charts over a lengthy period of time than it was back in the day. Huey Lewis & The News dropped Sports in September 1983 and it didn't reach the top 10 till March of 1984 (6 months later) and didn't hit #1 till that June; It only topped the charts for a week but it remained in the Top 10 for most of the remainder of '84 and ended up being the second most popular/ highest-selling album of the year (only behind Thriller itself and over other blockbuster releases like Purple Rain, Born in the U.S.A. and the Footloose soundtrack and those are just the #1 albums of the year). To be fair, that sort of thing is beyond the control of the artists but it's hard to imagine something like that being possible in the industry today.

Artists back then were real artists. They wrote their music, produced, came up with creative concepts and the direction of their music so they took longer periods off. This is why acts like Adele and Bruno take a longer period before they come back because they actually write their music unlike Beyonce.

With more competition, Beyonce would not be popular. This year proves that. Drake dropped his album a week or two after Beyonces release and pushed her album immediately down to number 2. Adele has the highest selling album this year and her album was released last year. I am 100% convinced now that articles like the one OP posted are straight from Beyonces PR machine because they are full of lies and propaganda but thanks boo, I loved this post too!

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lastdecember said:

mjscarousal said:

I find it down right disrespectful that he would imply that Madonna, Mariah Carey, Janet, etc went in the studio and made music men wanted when that is actually what Beyonce has done her entire career. Unlike the forementioned, Beyonce has never written a song by herself (and all she does is pander to male fantasies and never tackles any challenging themes in her music) SO its bewildering to argue she is in control of her music when she doesn't even write her own music or come up with her concepts. WTF? Like I have been saying and the more the more time goes on, this theory is rings true, there is a industry conspiracy to make Beyonce more than what she is. I mean c'mon this article is a bold face lie. How can a woman who has never written a song themselves and doesn't write any of their music be in more control over their career compared to artists that actually wrote their own music themselves?????? The industry WANTS Beyonce at the top THAT IS WHY she is at the top, that is the ONLY explanation for this "domiance" because the general public doesn't give a shit about her based on her mediocre statistics. A grammy is NO indicater of greatness or status. I don't care how many grammys she has brought, she will never be more influential or talented than Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, etc.

[Edited 12/29/16 2:56am]

And just because youre winning awards that DOES Not make you a boss! Madonna in her day was labelled the bitch because she would not bend to what others wanted. When any artist is making a lable MONEY they can almost do what they want. I doubt Beyonce was steering the wheel early days of Destiny's Child. A lot of these artists are having the songs already written handed to them and the team is all in place to push the product. Beyonce is far from a puppet but also far from being a rebel in the industry. I look more at people that fought the powers and went indie more as rebelious. I mean would BEYONCE fight Sony the way George Michael did? Basically sacrificing his career for his belief in how things should be?

Excellent point! I honestly don't see how buying a bunch of awards make you a boss If anything it shows that you are fake weak fraud that has no intergrity.

Thank you and I would like to add some more to this post. Its funny that Beyonce is painted as this "boss like figure"...but she really is not. She follows trends, stays safe and doesn't take any musical risks. She follows the guidance of her label and follows what is culturally acceptable to follow during the current time. She never speaks out on anything if she does not benefit from it in some way. She never stands up for any cause or controversial issue that would in some way risk her brand and no I am not talking about the "Super Bowl fake safe performance". I am talking about making a speech that discusses artists rights and calling out the industry but of course Beyonce would never do this because she is weak minded and not intelligent. She is going to follow whatever the establishment tells her to do and her advisers. She IS a puppet for them and a pawn for their agenda. Artists like Prince and Michael Jackson were REAL rebels. They SPOKE OUT against the industry and rebelled. They did not follow orders or what their label pushed them to follow. The SAME with Madonna and Janet who stood up for themselves and social issues so its bullshit this article would even suggest the women of the 90's did what men told them to do. All Beyonce does is show her ass, she doesn't give a fuq about anything. All those ladies had INTERGRITY, DIGNITY, SELF RESPECT which something Beyonce GREATLY lacks and no money in the world can buy.

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Musicslave said:

MotownSubdivision said:

lastdecember said: It's not as though artists back then weren't dropping albums every few years but I agree with this post. Artists back then had no issue releasing an album alongside one another and as a result most of those years are jam-packed with quality if not classic LPs that at the time co-existed on the charts. Now it seems as though (big name) artists take a number and wait for the buzz of another's album to die down before taking their turn and releasing theirs. You have a supposed megastar like Beyonce withholding the release of Lemonade "out of respect" for Adele who had just dropped 25 in late 2015. Imagine if The Police decided to delay the release of Synchronicity out of "respect" for Michael coincidentally when Thriller was the hottest album on the charts in 1983. The year wouldn't feel quite as stacked would it? Albums these days generally don't have a long shelf life so it's even more rare to have an album climb its way up the charts over a lengthy period of time than it was back in the day. Huey Lewis & The News dropped Sports in September 1983 and it didn't reach the top 10 till March of 1984 (6 months later) and didn't hit #1 till that June; It only topped the charts for a week but it remained in the Top 10 for most of the remainder of '84 and ended up being the second most popular/ highest-selling album of the year (only behind Thriller itself and over other blockbuster releases like Purple Rain, Born in the U.S.A. and the Footloose soundtrack and those are just the #1 albums of the year). To be fair, that sort of thing is beyond the control of the artists but it's hard to imagine something like that being possible in the industry today.

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LOL! Yeah right.... I didn't buy that lie then and surely don't buy it now. That was some classic bs excuse thrown out there for her followers to eat up like cake...and they did (of course). In my opinion, that would have been a good moment for her to prove that she really is "Queen/King" by releasing it soon after Adele's "25". If she was truly queen all by herself, she would have been able to move Adele from the that No. 1 spot. I found it cowardly myself. BUT...if you wanted to make sure your album debuted No. 1, you would slow your ass down and wait for that fire to cool off that "25" album. LOL!!!!

It was a bunch of bullshit. Beyonce is a narcisstic fraud that is full of crap. She know damn well that Adele is the REAL QUEEN of music in this new decade AND Beyonce made sure to bow her ass down and waited to release her Lemaflop after Adele's SECOND DIAMOND album "25" cooled off AND your right, if she is the "queen" why didn't she release her album the same time as Adele???? Beyonce is a joke and it was cowardly.

Katy Perry is under a lot of pressure with her next release after "Rise" and all but two of the singles from her last release flopped. She has to play it very safe now with her next single. That is not being in control of your destiny.

Britney Spears at her peak did nothing but make videos and go out on tour, then when she got home all she had to was sing the songs that were arranged for her.

Rihanna's latest only sold 500k with the second biggest hit despite scoring the second biggest radio hit of the year. Yes Samsung bought and gave away 1 million copies, but anybody will take free stuff. I was one of the million that got the free album and contributed to her platinum status, but I never planned to pay for Rihanna music.

Beyonce does one featured performance at the Stupidbowl (Muricans and their foosball) and announces a limited tour as her only promotion. Sells 1.5 million. The HBO Lemonade special got 750k viewers, which is very good for Premium Cable on a Friday night. It's more impressive than the 69k that watched the Rebel Heart tour on Showtime. If you can't see how piracy has affected the music industry, and how competition from more programming/dvrs/streaming services has affected television ratings, than you are a pinhead.

HAPPYPERSON said:

BILLBOARD: What does the dominance of Adele and Beyoncé say about the industry?

EHRLICH: I've been around long enough - I helped kick-start that term "diva" in the early '90s, those VH1 shows. From that point on, we've had the Celines, Glorias, Faith Hills, Shanias, Mariahs, Whitneys. If we look back at our show year to year, there are probably a number of years where there were more female artists than males.

GERSON: I see it a little differently. The difference this year, compared to others, is that Beyoncé and Adele are both women controlling their careers. In years past, the women who have been nominated probably were A&R'd by men who told them what songs to sing, and men who wrote the songs for them and then asked them to go into the studio and kill it vocally. These two iconic superstars control their own destinies. They're not "divas." It's strange to me that VH1 still does it, because I don't know if that's how I would describe any woman. I wouldn't describe Beyoncé as a "diva." She is fierce, as is Adele.

KEITH: They're both bosses.

GERSON: Yes, bosses. That's how I see it.

KING: People want real. And there are a lot of women out there doing that.

Beyoncé 20 Grammys

Adele 10 Grammys

Taylor Swift 10 Grammys

Rihanna 8 Grammys

Whitney Houston 6 Grammys

Mariah Carey 5 Grammys

Janet Jackson 5 Grammys

Celine Dion 5 Grammys S

hania Twain 5 Grammys

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/grammys/7633028/grammy-billboard-roundtable-interview

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This article is a joke. These people really said these things?

Hudson said:

Katy Perry is under a lot of pressure with her next release after "Rise" and all but two of the singles from her last release flopped. She has to play it very safe now with her next single. That is not being in control of your destiny.

Britney Spears at her peak did nothing but make videos and go out on tour, then when she got home all she had to was sing the songs that were arranged for her.

Rihanna's latest only sold 500k with the second biggest hit despite scoring the second biggest radio hit of the year. Yes Samsung bought and gave away 1 million copies, but anybody will take free stuff. I was one of the million that got the free album and contributed to her platinum status, but I never planned to pay for Rihanna music.

Beyonce does one featured performance at the Stupidbowl (Muricans and their foosball) and announces a limited tour as her only promotion. Sells 1.5 million. The HBO Lemonade special got 750k viewers, which is very good for Premium Cable on a Friday night. It's more impressive than the 69k that watched the Rebel Heart tour on Showtime. If you can't see how piracy has affected the music industry, and how competition from more programming/dvrs/streaming services has affected television ratings, than you are a pinhead.

Katy can really go both ways. She is a strange artist to me. I don't dislike her but I'm not a follower of hers. But she is at that point where what is she gonna do, I mean she had her huge albums, I mean that one album didnt it have 6 or 7 top 10 singles HOWEVER sold under 2 million, and yet they compared it to "Thriller"because of the amount of singles. But the thing with Katy is she seems to be really likeable with a lot of different people so I think that is gonna be her longevity.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

the fact that Beyonce has more Grammys than Prince is unbelievable

this article trying to argue that Beyonce is this "genius artist that is in control of her career and writes her own music"

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See, when you put things in quotes... it means you're quoting something. Screenshot that quote in the article for me would you? I'll wait.

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

the fact that Beyonce has more Grammys than Prince is unbelievable

Its a joke isn't it? I don't know what is more comical, this article trying to argue that Beyonce is this "genius artist that is in control of her career and writes her own music" OR the fact that she has 20 grammys, ridiculous. FUQ the Grammys I don't take it seriously anymore nor is it relevant anymore so they can give her how many grammys they want or allow her to buy as many as she wants.

Whitney and Mariah have only 5 grammys and they are some of the biggest selling recording artists of all time, selling over 100 million records and Beyonce has only sold like 20 million, C'MON with the bullshit!

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PREACH!

Hudson said:

Katy Perry is under a lot of pressure with her next release after "Rise" and all but two of the singles from her last release flopped. She has to play it very safe now with her next single. That is not being in control of your destiny.

Britney Spears at her peak did nothing but make videos and go out on tour, then when she got home all she had to was sing the songs that were arranged for her.

Rihanna's latest only sold 500k with the second biggest hit despite scoring the second biggest radio hit of the year. Yes Samsung bought and gave away 1 million copies, but anybody will take free stuff. I was one of the million that got the free album and contributed to her platinum status, but I never planned to pay for Rihanna music.

Beyonce does one featured performance at the Stupidbowl (Muricans and their foosball) and announces a limited tour as her only promotion. Sells 1.5 million. The HBO Lemonade special got 750k viewers, which is very good for Premium Cable on a Friday night. It's more impressive than the 69k that watched the Rebel Heart tour on Showtime. If you can't see how piracy has affected the music industry, and how competition from more programming/dvrs/streaming services has affected television ratings, than you are a pinhead.

That was not Beyonce's only promotion and her Super Bowl views were way lower than the previous year. She garnered 100 views compared to 118 views that watched Katy Perry and compared to 115 that watched Bruno Mars and compared to 114 that watched Madonna and those numbers are a significant difference and especially for one that is of Beyonce stature that is overly saturated and overexposed in the media. Beyonce has been promoting her Formation tour non stop since the Super Bowl with performances at the BET awards, MTV, Country awards, and promotion on TIDAL, PR releases from her camp, META GALA appearances and other social media hash tag gossip PR stunts to get people talking and if you think other wise you are delusional.

It was not 750k, it was 700,000 and those views are very low considering all the promotion that went into the promotion of the movie and when looking at the statistics of past artists that had HBO specials in their prime. MJ, Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Britney, ETC all garnered over 10 million views on their HBO special (Beyonce has NEVER gotten this many views on ANY HBO concert music special ever even in her Dangerously in Love Days), even Madonna pulled in 4.8 views on her Confessions concert special and she was in her 40's that is DAMN impressive! If Madonna only get 69k for Rebel Hearts that is not an upset to me because she is knocking on 60 for crying out loud and obviously way passed her prime and her Rebel Hearts concert was not heavily promoted (like Lemonade was despite the fact that it still pulled in low ratings). Beyonce on the other hand is suppose to be this "biggest star" since MJ and statistically she is no where near the star that he was let alone Madonna in her prime.

You are such an annoying and immature poster and your constant stanning for Beyonce and put down for other artists is pathetic at this point. Its interesting you brought up Britney but ALL her concert specials on HBO during her prime were way higher than any of Beyonces INCLUDING Lemonade. Have fun, I am going to ignore your posts. They are borderline trolling and especially in your last posts in which you threw MJ, Madonna and Prince under the bus just to defend Beyonce, yea your a troll all right.

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mu5icl0v3r said:

mjscarousal said:

this article trying to argue that Beyonce is this "genius artist that is in control of her career and writes her own music"

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See, when you put things in quotes... it means you're quoting something. Screenshot that quote in the article for me would you? I'll wait.

Go back to Beyonce world.com Stop trolling this site.