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Stop trolling this site.
I called it a flop because despite all that intensive marketing and oversaturation, Adele's album that was released last year still outsold Beyonces. 
I will go back to participating on this forum and I will let you continue to troll this board. 
Trust and believe her idea of releasing albums unannounced with all the videos, thus cycling through her whole albums era in one shot, on top of doing very little promo and no interviews flies in the face of recording industry convention. Even Prince had to start doing interviews and TV shows to get the word out. If you think that any record exec/management team is going to ok that strategy when the tried and true method of working an album for months... I don't know what to tell you. The recording industry has proved time and time again that it is slow to embrace new concepts and delivery methods, but all of a sudden they've decided to employ this method on one artist. OK.
STASTICS tells the TRUTH folks, NOT media hype. Statiscs will EXPOSE the truth in a minute! Why the hell are you bringing up Rihanna? Rihanna is not being tooted as the biggest most amazing and talented artist to ever grace the earth like Beyonce is. I notice a lot of Beyonce stans are always trashing Rihanna but Rihanna has 14 number one hits and she has higher streaming numbers and charts way better than Beyonce. She also has sold more units world wide when you include her single sales. She might not be the industry's favorite but she is doing very well for herself and HOLDING HER OWN without the help of a machine unlike Beyonce. [Edited 12/30/16 3:04am] | |
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All you do is Spin whenever someone mentions Beyonce. I don't feel the need to defend her every time but after 20 posts of lies in 2 days an occasional outburst may happen. The Confessions Tour was on NBC, not HBO or Showtime and that was 11 years ago. It's lead-out Medium nearly doubled it, and that show was never considered a hit.
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Its not trolling to point out when you misrepresent the facts. Not everyone who disagrees with you about Beyonce is a troll and everyone who agrees with isn't some brilliant thinker. I'm sorry to disturb your echo chamber. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy when every thread that mentions Beyonce turns you into a raving lunatic. Please proceed. Just don't be upset when I let you know I think you're a cooky conspiracy theorist. § ¶ | |
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No I come with facts. The bolded is not a concert special nor was it a special that was promoted under Michael's camp for an album or PR. I was specifically referring to Michael, Madonna, Whitney, and Janet HBO concert/music specials that they promoted and they all have had higher ratings than Beyonce.
I see I have to give receipts to you. Here are the highest grossing concert or music specials on HBO. Beyonce is NO WHERE on this list
This is the list of the highest ratings of concert/music specials on HBO by a recording artist.
Where did I lie? Beyonce did not out sell Adele and her album is not the biggest selling album this year. So where IS the lie? The only one that is the liar is you, with this constant pathetic stanning of Beyonce and constantly trying to make her more than what she is. You are delusional Beyoncem had a ton of promotion and marketing for this latest album and it still was not the biggest selling album and did not garner a hit. She headline the Super Bowl for crying out loud, performed on numerous award shows, made numerous public appearances at high events i.e. Met Gala, released a ton of PR press releases. You defend Beyonce all the time, you even trashed Michael and insisted Beyonce sold more than him, very pathetic. | |
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I called you a troll because you never participate on this forum and the only time when you do choose to participate is when you want to harass members who criticize Beyonce. I am entitled to my opinion and can say whatever I want. Why do you care about my opinion so badly? Get a life seriously. I will continue to speak my mind in any thread I choose too and the only one that is the lunatic is you because I could give less than a fuq what you think about me. YOU are the one trying to police members on what they can and can not say about Beyonce. Lmao. Why not just stan for her in her forum since you obviously are a fan of hers and stop dictating to others. [Edited 12/30/16 10:11am] | |
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"Members" is another mischaracterization. Its just you.
You obviously want people to care about your opinion since you take every opportunity to make it known.
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Have a blessed day. | |
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I never said Beyonce outsold Adele, all I said was Lemonade was a success. Comparing her to Adele is outrageous. Those concerts with the impressive multi million viewership totals all took place during and before 2002. What does that tell you about today's ratings climate? The Lady Gaga concert at only 1.2 million was during The Fame Monster era when she was the biggest pop star in the world. The reason the All For You concert (best concert I've ever seen) got 4 times the viewers is because of the much lower number of cable channels in 2002. Everything on TV (Network and Cable) receives much lower ratings than shows would in the 90's. | |
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Adele's "25" is a diamond album selling over 25 million with little promotion, Beyonce on the other hand only sold 2 million ww with a shit load of marketing, promotion, headlined Super Bowl and still is not the best selling this year. An album that was released LAST YEAR still out sold her? She only sold 2 million that is nothing to gloat about LOL Queen of SCAMMING that is what she is!
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How is his really different than what Beyonce does today? I mean, if Lemonade is the basis of what they're implying here, aren't they and Beyonce just paying tribute to Janet Jackson and Rythm Nattion?
I think that the fact that she can't give an interview on the process of the making of her music, unlike Janet Jackson, Madonna and other predecessors , while the media excuses it and pretends that her music and vidoes are her vision/concept despite her extensive collaborators while questioning the imput of her peers speaks for itself. Also, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm still not sure any female pop star has changed the current landscape of young female pop stars than Britney Spears. Yes, she's obviously a descendant from both Janet Jackson and Madonna, but there wasn't a flood of young female pop stars coming out in the 1990s but that seems to have been the case after Spears (and Christina Aguilera) at the turn of the millennium. [Edited 12/30/16 13:28pm] [Edited 12/30/16 13:45pm] | |
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That's why I call the acticle a joke. Before their was a lemonade, we had Rhythm Nation. Why try to downplay the work of others who came before her. | |
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That's a lie. You think the industry hypes Beyonce, but Adele, who's album was announced a month before it dropped recieved a "little promotion"? Girl bye. That tired ass "Hello" song was EVERYWHERE for a month before 25 dropped.
No promo tho...
That's a lie. I'm not sure you know what headlining the SuperbOwl is. That was Coldplay's show featuring half of a Mark Ronson song and a Beyonce's 2 minute performance . But headlining... ok.
As for pre-promotion for Lemonade:
Would you look at all that promo! Whew. Looks like its all post release though. Pity.
Adele is a phenomenon. I'm not sure why those boring ass albums sell so much (no streaming might have something to do with it) but it is what it is. Her selling a buttload of albums doesn't diminish everyone that can't. Unless sales are all that matter. How much did the last Prince album sell? Must be trash music by a trash artist with this metric. How about Madonna, Britney, Usher? All trash. | |
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I agree with this entire post but especially the bolded. While I don't think that there have been any legends or timeless icons that have came out of this crop, I feel if ANY artist that has came out over the last 20 years should be called a icon, it def should be Britney Spears. Although Britney is not as iconic and legendary as her predecessors, Britney at least fits some of the criteria of an "icon" more than Beyonce for sure IMO. I can't believe I am saying this but Britney Spears is underrated in terms of her (early success and impact).
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Agree 100% This logic doesn't make sense. How can you say the student is better than the teacher?? Maybe some cases (i.e. MJ, Stevie Wonder, Beethoven, etc) but Beyonce was not a child prodigy and not uniquely gifted. She hasn't innovated anything so the article is full of bullshit and utterly ridiculous. | |
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To be technical about all of this. Let us first take Britney, she actually was still part of an era that was buying a lot of music and back then there was actually still competition going on. Now Beyoncé with Destinys were part of that era too, however now it's a whole new game. If we really want to be technical about this and factor in streaming and hits and clicks, Selena Gomez is the most popular artist technically, now what does that mean nothing, because she has yet to even have a platinum record, though her latest is certified platinum it has sold barely 600,000, now to me that just shows there is no comparison of this era to any other especially ones where music sold. Clicks and hits and streams may count as a sale now but when I see these new artists selling 200,000 of a record and then in () it says about 50,000 of those are physical albums. Now Beyoncé is not in that since she pretty much has her following and they will buy it no matter what. So a most viewed video is or streamed track is maybe today's gauge of popularity but it translates to nothing. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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And you can tell the difference between old school and new school acts. When Sade and D'Angelo came out with "comeback" records, the bulk of their sales were from CD's. When Justin Timberlake came back out after a long hiatus he barely had an internet presence at all.
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The point is that the article is dumb to even imply artists that wrote their music and sold millions of albums were less in control of their careers compared to Beyonce who does not write her music nor has she sold as much as them. Her latest album, was a Rhythm Nation carbon copy cheap knock off so I don't see how the article could argue she is better than artists that came before her. Beyonce has not innovated anything and she is not original. Even Destiny Childs didn't sell as much as Britney, Spice Girls, Back Street Boys, etc. | |
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CynicKill said: And you can tell the difference between old school and new school acts. When Sade and D'Angelo came out with "comeback" records, the bulk of their sales were from CD's. When Justin Timberlake came back out after a long hiatus he barely had an internet presence at all.
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I'm not sure, but it's true. Maybe his people felt too much of a presence wasn't a good look? The point is he didn't and doesn't need it. Dude was selling over two million in one week way before it.
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I agree, his last album sold more than Rihanna, Drake and Beyonce latest albums and they have bigger social media followings than he does. Its interesting because Adele doesn't have a big social media prescence either but she sales a ton of records without it. | |
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If Beyonce stood on her own, then she wouldn't need Jay Z.
JayZ is there to run her and her show. | |
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Exactly, if she didn't need him she would have divorced him a long time ago. That is obviously a business arrangement. | |
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So let me let me get this right... Because Beyonce is a married woman and doesn't write her own songs, she's not in charge of her career? Is someone singing for her too? How come no one except some Backbiting Bitter Betty's on the internet have a negative thing to say about Beyonce?
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Seventy-two, forty, even twenty-five is a hell of a lot of writers in my hunble opinion. Meanwhile the most critically acclaimed albums of the year, Frank Ocean's "Blond" and Solange's "Seat" have very few writers. Frank has co-writers credited on two songs plus Andre 3000's rap on "Solo"(Reprise), while Solange is credited with writing all of hers. |
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I like that pic, captains of corporate industry celebrating their sinking ship. Adele and Beyoncé is like all that remains if you pray to retail sales. if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2 | |
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Not saying this as a defense really, but there was no YouTube when those non Beyoncé specials aired. Also, the Beyoncé specials were already available to those who paid for them or found another way to watch them. [Edited 1/3/17 0:38am] | |
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StrangeButTrue said: I like that pic, captains of corporate industry celebrating their sinking ship. Adele and Beyoncé is like all that remains if you pray to retail sales. Replace Beyonce with Taylor Swift and you'd be right. | |
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With all due respect, this is an excuse. Her B Day concert experience show was before Youtube and social media and it aired on HBO and it did not have high ratings. Lady Gaga's concert aired on HBO and scoed over 1.2 million views on HBO, much higher than that Beyonce Lemonade Special and that On the Run to concert special. Just stop it already with the excuses for this woman! There is always an excuse for Beyonce! There is always an excuse for her mediocre sales and there is always an excuse for her poor ratings. She is overrated and it is as simple as that. | |
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Am I THE only orger that never owned a copy of any Beyonce OR Adele albums thus far? | |
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