gandorb said:

alphastreet said:

Do you think her next album will be treated like or marketed like ray of light following childbirth?

Nope......Madonna didn't have to deal the kind of backlash that Janet got 2004, even at the height of the Sex Book/Body of Evidence/Erotica Era.

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Goddess4Real said:

alphastreet said:

Do you think her next album will be treated like or marketed like ray of light following childbirth?

Nope......Madonna didn't have to deal the kind of backlash that Janet got 2004, even at the height of the Sex Book/Body of Evidence/Erotica Era.

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Madonna was still a household name for sure during/after Erotica and respected for her previous work greatly I would say, maybe in some countries more than others, so in that case I agree. I felt like the public was forgiving towards janet with unbreakable and it's tour cause it was a popular show to check out, but things changed, and maybe it'll change again after the baby. I really don't think she'll tour again for unbreakable though and it's useless holding onto tickets for moved dates. Janet became more respected in that same time frame, but Madonna still had worldwide popularity too despite a low selling album, the singles were critically acclaimed.

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Isn't Janet a billionaire who is married to another billionaire? Do the critics really think that she cares what they say about her past popularity, music or image?.....I doubt it.

There is something odd about how much a big deal was made of Beyonce's Lemonade album when she was following a blueprint established by Janet Jackson. This would have been an obvious avenue for the media to highlight Janet Jackson's legacy.

You have nobody imitating Janet Jackson more than Britney Spears, not even black pop/r&b artists, and Beyonce clearly modeling her most acclaimed album by critics/media after Janet Jackson's work; these are the two most commercially successful artists of their generation, and Jackson is hardly recognized for that impact?

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HAPPYPERSON said:

mnbvc said:

alphastreet said:

mnbvc said:

There is something odd about how much a big deal was made of Beyonce's Lemonade album when she was following a blueprint established by Janet Jackson. This would have been an obvious avenue for the media to highlight Janet Jackson's legacy.

You have nobody imitating Janet Jackson more than Britney Spears, not even black pop/r&b artists, and Beyonce clearly modeling her most acclaimed album by critics/media after Janet Jackson's work; these are the two most commercially successful artists of their generation, and Jackson is hardly recognized for that impact?

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Totally, and also being nominated in the same Grammy category for it. Totally her blueprint. Usher did the same with confessions and it's mini movie as well

mnbvc said:

There is something odd about how much a big deal was made of Beyonce's Lemonade album when she was following a blueprint established by Janet Jackson. This would have been an obvious avenue for the media to highlight Janet Jackson's legacy.

You have nobody imitating Janet Jackson more than Britney Spears, not even black pop/r&b artists, and Beyonce clearly modeling her most acclaimed album by critics/media after Janet Jackson's work; these are the two most commercially successful artists of their generation, and Jackson is hardly recognized for that impact?

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Agree, Janet has had a tremendous impact on today generation of female pop stars even male and its criminally disrespectful how she does not get her just due and props for her impact and influence. That whole Lemonade PR stunt had Velvet Rope written all over it, in what Beyonce was attempting too do but obviously fell flat due to her lack of vunerability, creativity and transparency.

mjscarousal said:

For the ones that don't think Janet is being snubbed by industry:

You are delusional if you do not think Janet has not been black balled and black listed by the industry. One thing that can not be disputed and that can actually be supported with facts is the fact that the industry has an agenda to erase her legacy and there are receipts that show that she was black listed from the radio back in 2004 and 2005. Some of you are very very very naive. You believe everything presented to you is so clear, cut and dry.

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alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

Agree, Janet has had a tremendous impact on today generation of female pop stars even male and its criminally disrespectful how she does not get her just due and props for her impact and influence. That whole Lemonade PR stunt had Velvet Rope written all over it, in what Beyonce was attempting too do but obviously fell flat due to her lack of vunerability, creativity and transparency.

Velvet rope was critically acclaimed with popular hit singles, but too underrated then and even now and doesn't get the due it deserves. Many were inspired by it since but it seems like Beyoncé enjoys looking original, and also mj is just more popular for making short films than janet is in the public eye due to popularity, and beyonces short film isn't really like mjs long ones to bring that up, they were completely different themes and for different audiences [Edited 12/25/16 21:17pm]

Thank you love, very well said and I agree! VR was amazing during its period but your right it still was very underrated and still underrated till this day. Beyonce is not original and IMO relies to heavily on her videos to overcompensate for mediocre music. Videos are only served to enhance and express the music, not to be the main seller over the music.

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mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

nextedition said:

nextedition said:

Janet was never as big as michael worldwide. Even in the 90s she wasnt that big as she was in the US. She had some big hits, but its not like she sold out stadiums, her records stayed on number 1 for weeks or anything. In europe none of her singles of rhythm nation hit top 10, which always surprised me cause i loved that album!

this the kicker though.....

MJ had a longer tenure in the recording industry than Janet did so he had more of a fan following to work with as Janet really started hitting her stride......

but even by the late 80s, Janet's album sales domestically were greater than Michael and her chart position was more consistent

and her Rhythm Nation tour broke records in the process

and her 93 JANET LP sold more copies worldwide than Michael's DANGEROUS album did.....that's why by 95, as MJ was gearing up to release HISTORY, he asked Janet to perform on the song SCREAM, and by that point, Janet was equal with Michael....and was the more prolific artist domestically

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.There was never some big,industry-wide conspiracy to ruin her career.What happened is,she simply got older and is now a veteran artist.

I'm a Janet fan and I wholeheartedly agree. The conspiracy theory is over the top.

yeah,it's absurb that some of her fans think that,because of the Superbowl wardrobe malfunction,a bunch of record execs and record industry bigwigs banded together and said "Let's ruin her careeer"

Every major artist reaches that point when radio turns against them because of their age and the hits stop coming.Mariah Carey is experiencing that right now.

I beg to differ. The industry didn't blackball Janet Jackson. She did it to herself. Lets be real: Everything after All For You in 2001 was subpar. The Super Bowl of 2004 didn't help much and Damita Jo was all over the place. The same can be said of 20 Y.O. and Discipline was just ok. Unbreakable? Please. You can't walk away from the business and expect to come back years later unless your name is Sade or D'Angelo. Not to mention, the tour was an absolute failure in the fact that she started it and then stopped. There were no interviews, no press, no nothing. You looked up and it was over and then to add insult to injury, the only explanation was "We're starting our family." Are you for real? She had been gone for 7 years! That was plenty of time to start a family but you wait until you're smack dab in the middle of tour? C'mon, Dunk!

thesoulbrother said:

I'm sure she's destitute.

thesoulbrother said:

I beg to differ. The industry didn't blackball Janet Jackson. She did it to herself. Lets be real: Everything after All For You in 2001 was subpar. The Super Bowl of 2004 didn't help much and Damita Jo was all over the place. The same can be said of 20 Y.O. and Discipline was just ok. Unbreakable? Please. You can't walk away from the business and expect to come back years later unless your name is Sade or D'Angelo. Not to mention, the tour was an absolute failure in the fact that she started it and then stopped. There were no interviews, no press, no nothing. You looked up and it was over and then to add insult to injury, the only explanation was "We're starting our family." Are you for real? She had been gone for 7 years! That was plenty of time to start a family but you wait until you're smack dab in the middle of tour? C'mon, Dunk!

Agree with this (unless you're saying Unbreakable was subpar). Everyone has to stop having hits when they get older but it didn't have to stop as early as it did. I'll never forget the outcry from the majority of the fans in 2004 who were disappointed with the Damita Jo album. Most of them expected much more because it was Janet.

On a lighter note, Flashback to Janet Glory days

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Here is a great pic of Janet with George Michael (1993) RIP

alphastreet said:

mjscarousal said:

You are delusional if you do not think Janet has not been black balled and black listed by the industry. One thing that can not be disputed and that can actually be supported with facts is the fact that the industry has an agenda to erase her legacy and there are receipts that show that she was black listed from the radio back in 2004 and 2005. Some of you are very very very naive. You believe everything presented to you is so clear, cut and dry.

That's part of it too, she was respected a lot before then. I was watching a bunch of vr interviews the other day that didn't air in my country and hearing her go on about her drive to create music and still being hungry in retrospect was interesting and kind of sad too, not having any idea what was going to happen with her and family in the 00s after coming off a lot of 90s mess.

Most of these posters who don't feel Janet has not been blacklisted were never Janet fans to begin with. Although I am a Janet fan, there are a lot of things she has done in her career that have been questionable and I am quick to call it out. However, since the Super Bowl there has been a industry agenda to erase her legacy and I will ALSO call that out. Janet was blacklisted on the radio, the entire Damita Jo project plug was pulled. It has only been since Unbreakable that she recently received positive reviews in a long time but during Damita Jo, 20 YO, Discipline, etc she didn't receive any coverage or positive reviews at all. The NFL official released a statement last year apologizing to Janet over the Super Bowl incident and even professed she did not deserve to be treated the way she was. So its not as if these arguments are far fetched. The Grammys told her she could not go on their show ever again unless she apologized about the Super Bowl after she already apologized (She is not going to get any more Grammy nods that is obviously a wrap). There is bad blood between her at MTV because MTV hosted the half time special (she is not getting any more awards or acknowledgement etc) and Super Bowl did not show her clip during the past Super Bowl performances during their this year show. I am sorry these people are dumb idiots, these are the same people who insiste there was no agenda against Michael and the establishment SOLD AWAY his Beatles catalog, SO that lets me know the conspiracy that Michael was paranoid about was TRUE because everything he fear would happen, DID happen. He lost Neverland too.

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Free2BMe said:

I've seen no evidence of industry black balling Janet. They still kiss her ass as they have always done. When Unbreakable was released I saw nothing but glowing reviews and very positive coverage. There was no negativity brought up at all. The problem is that she didn't connect with people other than her fans. I could see that in her ticket sales for her tour. There were all kinds of lies and deflections about shows and the bottomline is that the tickets were not selling. The pregnancy was a perfect excuse to get out of an embarrassing situation- the Unbreakable tour and promotion was a failure despite the MEDIA being squarely behind Janet. FTR, I didn't read a single negative review from the media. So let's stop with the excuses as to why Janet is not as successful as she was. Other than her die hard fans, people just don't relate to her.

My sentiments exactly! The industry didn't black ball Janet Jackson. I love Janet but she is the only person to blame for all this. Unbreakable got a lot of love from the media and hell, I was spinning it on the air. I don't know who Janet has for a PR team but everything was executed so poorly. Again, you don't just disappear for 7 years, come back, and think everyone is going to roll with you again. This is a very different music industry now. And you're right, the average music listener doesn't relate to her. You would think that Janet would be on the same level as Madonna right now, and she should be. Not to compare apples to oranges but Madonna reinvents herself all the time and that's why she remains relevant. Janet? C'mon, man! You can't sell out the Toyota Center in Houston? Are you serious?

What does that have to do with her being blacklisted in 2004 and 2005? Lawd help some of these posters!