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Beyonce has not sold over 200 million records. This would clearly suggest that she's sold a high amount of albums which is false since her highest selling album is around 10 million and the rest of her albums are comforably lower.

And you shouldn't be adding Destiny's Child to her total either as most don't do that with Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5. And since Beyonce fans (which includes the media) like to compare Beyonce and Michael Jackson, how does she compare with Jackson owning three of the 25 biggest selling albums all-time worldwide? (including the undisputed biggest selling album by 20 million over number 2!)

Besides, like Michael Jackson, Beyonce clearly made her name as a solo artist and is considered a legend by many because of her solo career and comparing her with her peers, her ablum sales are completly dwarfed by Britney Spears and Adele, two of the 10 highest female album sellers world-wide (If Adele, who will pass Spears eventually, isn't there yet she should be on that list within a year or two.)

But something else I find amusing is that there is more evidence that the "talentless" Britney Spears has written music than Beyonce Knowles has.

Some of yall are some weak posters on this site. Ya'll stay stanning for this woman and now trying to pretend yall don't stan for her, yea whatever Mine as well call the org, Beyonce.org with the amount of pathetic stanning yall do for this fraud on this site, so cut the bullshit.

mnbvc said:

Beyonce has not sold over 200 million records. This would clearly suggest that she's sold a high amount of albums which is false since her highest selling album is around 10 million and the rest of her albums are comforably lower.

And you shouldn't be adding Destiny's Child to her total either as most don't do that with Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5. And since Beyonce fans (which includes the media) like to compare Beyonce and Michael Jackson, how does she compare with Jackson owning three of the 25 biggest selling albums all-time worldwide? (including the undisputed biggest selling album by 20 million over number 2!)

Besides, like Michael Jackson, Beyonce clearly made her name as a solo artist and is considered a legend by many because of her solo career and comparing her with her peers, her ablum sales are completly dwarfed by Britney Spears and Adele, two of the 10 highest female album sellers world-wide (If Adele, who will pass Spears eventually, isn't there yet she should be on that list within a year or two.)

But something else I find amusing is that there is more evidence that the "talentless" Britney Spears has written music than Beyonce Knowles has.

This is why I say Beyonce's success is built around a LIE. It is false propaganda that is mostly built on LIES.

She has LOW number ones

She has LOW album sales

She has LOW ratings BUT she is the so called most powerful woman BUT she is the so called biggiest pop star in the world BUT doesn't have a diamond album AND Britney and Adele does. HELL, Norah freakin Jones HAS a DIAMOND album!

I am so sick and tired of narcisstic bitch she is SO overrated!

Its quite obvious, the ONLY people who think this bullcrap is the MEDIA and the industry because REGULAR folk and the general public don't give a fuq about Beyonce.... RECEIPTS RECEIPTS RECEIPTS tell a different story.

Its interesting HOW Rihanna has FOURTEEN NUMBER ONES and has sold MORE than Beyonce but doesn't get her ass excessively kissed by the industry and media like Beyonce

I want to know why the industry wants Beyonce to be this great talent of importance when she is clearly not Beyonce paying these media outlets some BIG money!

Beyonce is overrated and a fraud. She has had her success HANDED to her. Nobody out walking in the street believes this shit but the media. Its her PR inflitrating this bullcrap.

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mjscarousal said:

Girl you betta use that LSA disdain emoji! Lol but I co-sign with everything you said

HAPPYPERSON said:

Who gives a fuq what Quincy Jones says? So just because Quincy say this, that makes it true?! Quincy also was the one that lied on Michael and said he wasn't all of that and turned his back on him. I could care less what fake Quincy has to say about anything

I'll say it one last time, Beyonce is not a flop. For not playing it safe with ready for radio garbage the sales of her last three albums are very respectable and show impressive longevity that her peers (Usher, Alicia Keys, Ashanti, Ciara etc. [not white girls with safe, clean music!]) ended up not having.



But no, she had never been the biggest star in the world and I'd hardly say she's one of the most powerful women of the past 70 years.

Hudson said:

I'll say it one last time, Beyonce is not a flop. For not playing it safe with ready for radio garbage the sales of her last three albums are very respectable and show impressive longevity that her peers (Usher, Alicia Keys, Ashanti, Ciara etc. [not white girls with safe, clean music!]) ended up not having.



But no, she had never been the biggest star in the world and I'd hardly say she's one of the most powerful women of the past 70 years.

YES she is

The media compares Beyonce to Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, and Prince. The media EVEN insists she has been the best artist over the last 30 years and that she sells over 100 and millions of albums.

These are LIES.

OH YES, she definitly is a flop when COMPARED to those artists, HELL she is flop when compared to her peers, USHER and BRITNEY have DIAMOND albums. They also have classics and defining albums which Beyonce does not have.

There is ALWAYS an excuse for Beyonce, its hilarious at this point.

The girl is overrated.

NaughtyKitty said:

mjscarousal said:

Girl you betta use that LSA disdain emoji! Lol but I co-sign with everything you said

I am so sick and tired of this evil propaganda sis, I am so tired of it. Its EVIL and SICK how they want regular people to worship Beyonce like she is a GOD and the ONLY human being in the world that matters, VERY creepy.

mjscarousal said:

Hudson said:

I'll say it one last time, Beyonce is not a flop. For not playing it safe with ready for radio garbage the sales of her last three albums are very respectable and show impressive longevity that her peers (Usher, Alicia Keys, Ashanti, Ciara etc. [not white girls with safe, clean music!]) ended up not having.



But no, she had never been the biggest star in the world and I'd hardly say she's one of the most powerful women of the past 70 years.

YES she is

The media compares Beyonce to Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, and Prince. The media EVEN insists she has been the best artist over the last 30 years and that she sells over 100 and millions of albums.

These are LIES.

OH YES, she definitly is a flop when COMPARED to those artists, HELL she is flop when compared to her peers, USHER and BRITNEY have DIAMOND albums. They also have classics and defining albums which Beyonce does not have.

There is ALWAYS an excuse for Beyonce, its hilarious at this point.

The girl is overrated.

Yes, the media is lying about her achievements, but after 1993 none of the legends you mentioned ever had a huge album that went over 4x platinum. Dangerously in Love went 5x and Rihanna certainly hasn't sold more albums. Her most successful was 3x. Britney's 2 albums were released 17 months apart at the height of the teen pop era before Napster when she was basically the female Nsync. She fell hard and fast after that. Whitney is the only black woman in history to have a true diamond album (10 million sold, not just shipped).

It's obviously the showmanship aspect that has people excited. But I'm getting scared.

I was watching a commentary on some musical subject and the woman said with straight voice that Beyonce is up there with Prince and Michael Jackson as far as performing is concerned. I give her slack because she's young.

But what I'm starting to find interesting is the seen-it-once-seen-it-all quality of her performances. Someone said, while she was performing on the VMA's, that she was bringing the Lemonade Tour to the VMA stage, which leads us to believe that she's going to give us the same performance that she gives every night for the past umpteen months.

Once she started adding her cast of thousand women on stage she's done it over and over again. The fact that a Beyonce performance still gets to me has a lot to do with the fact that I haven't been blessed by a live performance locally, which I suppose can be said of most of us.

Hudson said:

mjscarousal said:

YES she is

The media compares Beyonce to Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, and Prince. The media EVEN insists she has been the best artist over the last 30 years and that she sells over 100 and millions of albums.

These are LIES.

OH YES, she definitly is a flop when COMPARED to those artists, HELL she is flop when compared to her peers, USHER and BRITNEY have DIAMOND albums. They also have classics and defining albums which Beyonce does not have.

There is ALWAYS an excuse for Beyonce, its hilarious at this point.

The girl is overrated.

Yes, the media is lying about her achievements, but after 1993 none of the legends you mentioned ever had a huge album that went over 4x platinum. Dangerously in Love went 5x and Rihanna certainly hasn't sold more albums. Her most successful was 3x. Britney's 2 albums were released 17 months apart at the height of the teen pop era before Napster when she was basically the female Nsync. She fell hard and fast after that. Whitney is the only black woman in history to have a true diamond album (10 million sold, not just shipped).

This is what I don't understand about you when we get into debates about Beyonce. You defend Beyonce so hard to the point that you are willing to delusionally THROW LEGENDS under the bus JUST to make Beyonce look better..... REALLY???

You don't have to agree with me but I won't let you sit here and trash other legends over Beyonce ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY Michael, ALL of Michaels album have sold more than Beyonce, are you KRAZY?? Even Madonna's and Whitney's have sold more than Beyonce and the height of Prince popularity he sold more than Beyonce than at the height of her's SAME with Janet who sold over 20 million compared to Beyonces 10 million.

Explain to me what is it about Beyonce that makes her so fasicinating?????? I REALLY would like to know? Why do you think she is sooo much better than legends and make excuses for her? You can make ALL the excuses to justify Britney's diamond album but the fact is, FACTS Britney has a diamond album and she has about three albums that have sold over 25 million world wide.

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Hudson said:

mjscarousal said:

YES she is

The media compares Beyonce to Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Stevie Wonder, and Prince. The media EVEN insists she has been the best artist over the last 30 years and that she sells over 100 and millions of albums.

These are LIES.

OH YES, she definitly is a flop when COMPARED to those artists, HELL she is flop when compared to her peers, USHER and BRITNEY have DIAMOND albums. They also have classics and defining albums which Beyonce does not have.

There is ALWAYS an excuse for Beyonce, its hilarious at this point.

The girl is overrated.

Yes, the media is lying about her achievements, but after 1993 none of the legends you mentioned ever had a huge album that went over 4x platinum. Dangerously in Love went 5x and Rihanna certainly hasn't sold more albums. Her most successful was 3x. Britney's 2 albums were released 17 months apart at the height of the teen pop era before Napster when she was basically the female Nsync. She fell hard and fast after that. Whitney is the only black woman in history to have a true diamond album (10 million sold, not just shipped).

No matter how popular Britney Spears was (and she was thoroughly the most popular female pop star from around 1999-2002) in that era, she still unquestionably had a more limited demographic than Madonna, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, and Mariah Carey at their peak, four of the five biggest female album sellers (with Barbara Streisand)

She clearly came at the right time but you have to still weigh both of those factors.

And while the teen pop era was substantial as a whole, her music videos (which were her idea) made her album sales as much as Max Martin. I've seen the footage of Spears performing those Martin-penned songs from her first album in shopping malls (with a much better voice than today) with people walking out or at a Singapore hotel with people walking around in the back and cheap looking speakers.

...Baby One More Time was clearly nothing until that music video.

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I don't believe she is one of the most important women in the past 70 years, in the past 10 years yes. Madonna is in this list, isn't?

mjscarousal said:

Hudson said:

Yes, the media is lying about her achievements, but after 1993 none of the legends you mentioned ever had a huge album that went over 4x platinum. Dangerously in Love went 5x and Rihanna certainly hasn't sold more albums. Her most successful was 3x. Britney's 2 albums were released 17 months apart at the height of the teen pop era before Napster when she was basically the female Nsync. She fell hard and fast after that. Whitney is the only black woman in history to have a true diamond album (10 million sold, not just shipped).

This is what I don't understand about you when we get into debates about Beyonce. You defend Beyonce so hard to the point that you are willing to delusionally THROW LEGENDS under the bus JUST to make Beyonce look better..... REALLY???

You don't have to agree with me but I won't let you sit here and trash other legends over Beyonce ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY Michael, ALL of Michaels album have sold more than Beyonce, are you KRAZY?? Even Madonna's and Whitney's have sold more than Beyonce and the height of Prince popularity he sold more than Beyonce than at the height of her's SAME with Janet who sold over 20 million compared to Beyonces 10 million.

Explain to me what is it about Beyonce that makes her so fasicinating?????? I REALLY would like to know? Why do you think she is sooo much better than legends and make excuses for her? You can make ALL the excuses to justify Britney's diamond album but the fact is, FACTS Britney has a diamond album and she has about three albums that have sold over 25 million world wide.

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The most conservative tally has Britney Spears (who has two diamond certified albums) at around 75-80 million in album sales, way, way behind Madonna, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand and Whitney Houston (in that order), being in the next group with Shania Twain and Enya and soon to be Adele, and way, way more than Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Rihanna.

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214 said:

I like Beyonce.......but I don't agree with this article

mjscarousal said:

Hudson said:

Yes, the media is lying about her achievements, but after 1993 none of the legends you mentioned ever had a huge album that went over 4x platinum. Dangerously in Love went 5x and Rihanna certainly hasn't sold more albums. Her most successful was 3x. Britney's 2 albums were released 17 months apart at the height of the teen pop era before Napster when she was basically the female Nsync. She fell hard and fast after that. Whitney is the only black woman in history to have a true diamond album (10 million sold, not just shipped).

This is what I don't understand about you when we get into debates about Beyonce. You defend Beyonce so hard to the point that you are willing to delusionally THROW LEGENDS under the bus JUST to make Beyonce look better..... REALLY???

You don't have to agree with me but I won't let you sit here and trash other legends over Beyonce ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY Michael, ALL of Michaels album have sold more than Beyonce, are you KRAZY?? Even Madonna's and Whitney's have sold more than Beyonce and the height of Prince popularity he sold more than Beyonce than at the height of her's SAME with Janet who sold over 20 million compared to Beyonces 10 million.

Explain to me what is it about Beyonce that makes her so fasicinating?????? I REALLY would like to know? Why do you think she is sooo much better than legends and make excuses for her? You can make ALL the excuses to justify Britney's diamond album but the fact is, FACTS Britney has a diamond album and she has about three albums that have sold over 25 million world wide.

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In terms of selling albums nobody can really compare with Michael Jackson. He's essentially sold more albums more than Madonna, THE biggest female album seller, with FAR less album releases.

mnbvc said:

mjscarousal said:

This is what I don't understand about you when we get into debates about Beyonce. You defend Beyonce so hard to the point that you are willing to delusionally THROW LEGENDS under the bus JUST to make Beyonce look better..... REALLY???

You don't have to agree with me but I won't let you sit here and trash other legends over Beyonce ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY Michael, ALL of Michaels album have sold more than Beyonce, are you KRAZY?? Even Madonna's and Whitney's have sold more than Beyonce and the height of Prince popularity he sold more than Beyonce than at the height of her's SAME with Janet who sold over 20 million compared to Beyonces 10 million.

Explain to me what is it about Beyonce that makes her so fasicinating?????? I REALLY would like to know? Why do you think she is sooo much better than legends and make excuses for her? You can make ALL the excuses to justify Britney's diamond album but the fact is, FACTS Britney has a diamond album and she has about three albums that have sold over 25 million world wide.

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In terms of selling albums nobody can really compare with Michael Jackson. He's essentially sold more albums more than Madonna, THE biggest female album seller, with FAR less album releases.

I agree with you but that fool had the nerve to say that all those artists sold less than Beyonce after 93, and thats bullshit.

mnbvc said:

mjscarousal said:

This is what I don't understand about you when we get into debates about Beyonce. You defend Beyonce so hard to the point that you are willing to delusionally THROW LEGENDS under the bus JUST to make Beyonce look better..... REALLY???

You don't have to agree with me but I won't let you sit here and trash other legends over Beyonce ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY Michael, ALL of Michaels album have sold more than Beyonce, are you KRAZY?? Even Madonna's and Whitney's have sold more than Beyonce and the height of Prince popularity he sold more than Beyonce than at the height of her's SAME with Janet who sold over 20 million compared to Beyonces 10 million.

Explain to me what is it about Beyonce that makes her so fasicinating?????? I REALLY would like to know? Why do you think she is sooo much better than legends and make excuses for her? You can make ALL the excuses to justify Britney's diamond album but the fact is, FACTS Britney has a diamond album and she has about three albums that have sold over 25 million world wide.

[Edited 12/16/16 14:27pm]

The most conservative tally has Britney Spears (who has two diamond certified albums) at around 75-80 million in album sales, way, way behind Madonna, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand and Whitney Houston (in that order), being in the next group with Shania Twain and Enya and soon to be Adele, and way, way more than Taylor Swift, Beyonce, and Rihanna.

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I agree with this entire post but my point was that there are artists from Beyonce's generation that have sold more than her and Britney Spears being one of them.

I still dont see how she is so powerful. The industry and media are kissing her ass and showering her with awards undeservingly despite her poor statistics. Someone like Madonna on the other hand STASTICALLY proved and continues to prove that is she is POWERFUL and force to be reckoned. I dont see how Beyonce is this powerful figure when she has low number ones, low album sales, low ratings, her tours are not any better than her peers, she has no classics, nothing memorable or innovative. She is the industrys token Black girl... and I dont think that automatically makes one powerful. If anything, she has it so easy. Adele IMO is an artist and force that is powerful and shows that statistically. Magazine publications and post all day long that someone is powerful but if statistically it does not show it, its FALSE.

MotownSubdivision said:

214 said:

I don't believe she is one of the most important women in the past 70 years, in the past 10 years yes. Madonna is in this list, isn't?

She's one of the most powerful but in terms of importance she ranks far lower. What gets me more is how she's being held in high esteem for exhibiting feminism in her music as though she's the first woman artist to do that. [Edited 12/16/16 18:04pm]

No she is not.

And I can give receipts that prove she is not this powerful figure in music.

mjscarousal said:

mnbvc said:

In terms of selling albums nobody can really compare with Michael Jackson. He's essentially sold more albums more than Madonna, THE biggest female album seller, with FAR less album releases.

I agree with you but that fool had the nerve to say that all those artists sold less than Beyonce after 93, and thats bullshit.

Not trying to throw them under the bus, you've been putting so much emphasis on diamond albums. I do believe they are legends with better music and legacies but their biggest success was 79-93.





HiStory (7x Platinum) The exception to what I said, outstanding achievement though it was a double disc so maybe each sale counted as two?
Invincible (2x Platinum)

The Velvet Rope (3x Platinum)

All For You (3x Platinum)

My Love Is Your Love (4x Platinum) 2.8 million sold

Bedtime Stories (3x Platinum) 2.5 million sold
Ray Of Light (4x Platinum)

Music (3x Platinum)

Beyonce vs. Rihanna

Dangerously in Love 5 million __________ Music of the Sun 0.6 million
B'day 3.4 million __________ A Girl Like Me 1.4 million

IASF 3.2 million __________ Good Girl Gone Bad 2.8 million

4 1.5 million __________ Rated R 1.1 million

Beyonce 2.3 million __________ Loud 1.8 million

Lemonade 1.5 million __________ Talk That Talk 1.1 million

__________ Unapologetic 1.2 million

__________ Anti 0.5 million (not including the million that Samsung bought and gave away for free)





Beyonce 16.9 million __________ Rihanna 10.5 million





Rihanna has not sold more despite releasing more.

edit for spacing

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mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

I still dont see how she is so powerful. The industry and media are kissing her ass and showering her with awards undeservingly despite her poor statistics. Someone like Madonna on the other hand STASTICALLY proved and continues to prove that is she is POWERFUL and force to be reckoned. I dont see how Beyonce is this powerful figure when she has low number ones, low album sales, low ratings, her tours are not any better than her peers, she has no classics, nothing memorable or innovative. She is the industrys token Black girl... and I dont think that automatically makes one powerful. If anything, she has it so easy. Adele IMO is an artist and force that is powerful and shows that statistically. Magazine publications and post all day long that someone is powerful but if statistically it does not show it, its FALSE.

When it's all said and done, if Adele has another big album, and there's really no reason to believe she won't, she's going to end up easily selling over 100 million albums and in terms of sales she'll easily be in that category with Celine Dion, Barbra Streisand and Whitney Houston.

At this point Beyonce is pretty much a lock for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I do think her talent is overrated as hell though. Outside of her vocal ability, she's cannot be more talented than Britney Spears. Spears composed one of the most popular pop ballads of the 2000s, I've seen her play it on the piano, and she has other unreleased ballads that she has composed that I've heard. I haven't seen any evidence that Beyonce has written songs. Maybe she has, but her songwriting is not more impressive than Spears. She's arguably a better performer than Spears since she tries to dance while sing but her dancing is nothing compared to the Jacksons.

There is even some talk about Rihanna possibly being a future Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member. I personally don't think that Beyonce, Britney, or Rihanna should be in but Spears at her peak clearly obliterates Rihanna as an entertainer.

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